一位留台六年的香港女生谈公民参与，淡水印象，以及公私立学校的就读体验。

接上集，保留了环境音，希望带大家全方位感受彼时彼刻的淡水。

00:10 参加法律比赛：采访警察和立法委员、民间团体

1:00 性骚扰防治法的诞生契机：“很多国家都有了，为什么台湾没有？”

15:00 希望融入台湾社会，但是文化上格格不入。践行公民责任？很难成为台湾人，仅仅是参与观察者。

16:00 淡水捷运站的文创产业

17:30 “红灯了还在等我们”，慢悠悠的城市节奏，我的步调也开始放慢

18:50 日式台餐：“日本的骨干，台湾的血肉”

20:50 淡水捷运站前周日下午两点的悠闲光景

22:30 刮刮乐文化：个人博彩、过年的公司福利与长辈礼物

23:20 你眼中地道的淡水？交通不方便、可供娱乐的地方少，大家很喜欢来这里散步，不开心的时候我就坐在这里的椅子上哭

24:32 多雨而多情的淡水，emo又多故事

25:50 一抹怀念：忽然看到冰淇淋，忽然想吃

26:20你在这边喜欢的食物是什么？鱿鱼、花枝丸、面线，但最怀念广东料理

27:05 除了日式，台湾还有很多意大利餐厅

27:50 淡水还是记忆中的样子，还是很多地道的小摊档，五年来都是一模一样

28:55 疫情的影响不大：家庭经营对抗风险，本地居民帮衬

29:40 疫情对学校附近的餐厅影响更大：学生倾向自己去超市买蔬菜自己煮

34:00 何日君再来，1992年正义转型

35:48 戒严时期被禁止的金庸书籍与台湾的出版业法规

39:00 比较三民主义 vs 公民教育

42:00 国军教官应该退出校园吗

43:50 为什么香港的行政很有效率？而台湾的行政总是慢慢来？ （依法行政压力vs人情压力）

51:00 公立学校 vs 私立学校的不同就读体验

51:35 香港人更看重地理位置，台湾人更看重公立学校

一位留台六年的香港朋友眼中的台湾。她本科中文系兼修法律、公共管理，硕士攻读东亚研究。对话源自去年11月，我在台湾参加完学会后的谈天说地。（中间有调整删节，时间轴可能略有差异）

00:00 对台湾社会的观察感受：香港的西方（直接了当） v.s. 台湾的东方（含蓄保守）

8:26 香港人文字上面认真，口头语言轻松

9:02 如何看待自己文化传播者的角色

9:47 东亚视角下倾向于把香港和台湾等同化，但是两者大相径庭

11:27 把香港当成台湾国军的中转机场

12:23 自己出门打扮，而台湾同学穿着朴素

15:00 为香港代言的文化交流者

19:31 未来几年留在台湾还是回到香港？

27:40 我周围的人最终回到他们熟悉的地方

28:40 我最喜欢的还是香港

29:30 年轻是游走世界的本钱

31:00 不固定目标即不给自己设限，重要的是自我进修的过程

32:05 做东亚研究的初心是？中文系太简单，想把历史文化和社会科学结合起来

34:00 东亚作为一个代名词意味着什么？来自西方的学术凝视？自我发声的工具？

36:00 台湾的东亚研究重点放在哪里？

00:00 南华早报新闻：男性提供情绪价值，女性养家糊口

6:10 当感到被需要的时候很幸福

9:28 鱼在水里寻求更美的景色

9:50 幸福的两大维度：自我有追求，讲话有人听

10:40 年龄焦虑？30岁的感觉，太爽了！

11:15 感觉自己是个很可爱的人，思想深邃的人，更加认可自己了

12:06 变成更好的人，不完美的事情让它留在过去

13:36 焦虑祛魅：我还是很好的我

14:50 化繁为简：会知道什么对自己来说重要或是不重要，会减除烦恼。

16:30 工作学习中的连续感：积攒了那么多年后，以前读的书都串起来了，我发现了一条线索，会觉得原来的不会白走，岁月的积累是礼物

18:10 博士研究从点到线、从线到面

19:37 研究是需要用时间砸进去的东西

20:34 科学、宗教、艺术是不同的解释世界的方式

28:00 茶道仪式让你慢下来，重新建立秩序感

34:00 嗅觉、味道与熟悉感

35:40 香水：保留和创造味道的记忆

42:00 味道作为一种媒介：书页中的味道，连接自我与他人

今天想要继续带大家回到九月初，我在英国学会期间经历的那些谈话瞬间。除了人类学背景的小羊以外，我还结识了来自传媒学、经济学、土木工程专业的组员们。他们来自埃克塞特大学、武汉大学、和清华大学。在共进晚餐之时，我们聊到了许多个人观察和经历，这些亲密叙事拉近了我们的距离，同时也让我们反思种族、性别、友情、科学、学术意义等主题。希望你也能停留片刻，回味我们正在经历着的社会范畴和社会关系。

00:43很白的英国小城，能感受到黑人的存在感吗？

1:31 亚洲人为什么习惯把自己藏起来？

5:00 黑人+LGBTQ buff叠满

5:35 如何看待性少数群体政治正确？

6:33 你在人生中某一刻，对自己的性别产生疑惑吗？

7:12你们首先看待一个人会关注ta的性别吗？

9:27 交朋友，重要的是能相处得来

10:33 當今社會，性别被过分强调了吗？

11:22 文科班男生v.s. 理科班男生接触异性

13:42 比起友情，更注重共事，跟女生共事很顺利

16:11 科学的简化与人文的发散思维

17:50 物理学/哲学家Karen Barad：科学家是世界建构的一部分

19:54 简化：火的重量可以忽略不计，所以它就不重要

21:31 自然科学的你们，会有学术抑郁吗？会厌学吗？I don‘t want to do it anyone.

22:15 经济学热忱：茶叶价格也反映男女收入不平等

24:42 无论你的学术性有多强，你的热衷一直在

26:33 不要让学术这个框架限制了你们的发展

29:49 一定要相信自己！

小红书/微信公众号：@Kimie的田野日志

人类学者如何做研究？什么是好的民族志？什么是好的中国研究？

今天九月初，我前往英国参加学会，和港中文人类学系的博士生小羊结识。一路上，我们有不少精彩的对话。在草地前，在咖啡厅，在城市街道，在火车上，我通过视频/音频的方式把它们记录了下来。

我越来越觉得，民族志的灵感迸发在即兴对话里，被涵盖在特定的时间、场所、人物、情感中。文字书写的形式，意味着这些灵感及随后的产物从原语境中抽离出来，被重新创造。这是一件烧脑耗时的事情，有时也是一件令人遗憾的事情。因此，我做了一个实验：把学会路上的“发生”记录了下来。我想通过这些媒介技术，来传达“being there”的临场感，丰富文化分析，为从事影视/视觉人类学的研究做铺垫。

00:43 埃克塞特教堂前的感叹

01:49 为吸引全球观光客做出的翻译努力  

02:41 宗教场所的精神性力量

03:43  举头三尺有神明 v.s. 福柯的权力

4:34 自然而然的沉浸：治理性和生成性权力

5:26 学术史是个人命运奋斗史

5:52 Positionality：研究者的standpoint、研究轨迹、situated knowledge

6:18 男性能做好女性研究吗？

6:57 中国研究是不是中国人才能做好？

7:25 中国研究里对中外学者的评价不一样：混的圈子很重要

8:18 人文社科的出类拔萃在于展示出不同之处

8:40 知识生产和市场营销的相似性

10:45 女性研究者无法将事业与家庭齐头并进

11:21 一战的纪念碑上挂爱情锁：青年人记忆的断裂？赋予空间新的意义？

12:12 人类学是为了阐释，可以改善现状吗？

13:21 无法带来即时效果：经常觉得自己的研究没有意义

14:13 生活很复杂，没有一劳永逸的解决办法，人类学在于让自己跳出原有的思考困局

14:58 能够拨人心弦的都是好的民族志

16:00 Qualifying exam追溯到了哲学，被教授建议说人类学者应该多读民族志

17:26 来自菲律宾的人类学同事很坚定，有退路，不焦虑

18:35 对头衔职位祛魅：所谓名校光环赋予的想象，it doesn't matter

19:10 硕士生活纯粹 v.s. 博士会觉得自己浪费生命

19:45 负罪感的来源是什么

20:40 博士在走杂草丛生、河流湍急的山间小路

00:00 读博申请中意想不到的事情：与牛津擦肩而过

01:35 牛津委员会不通过，滚动式申请难度增大

02:30 申请了30多个学校，欧美申请挫败感满满

04:30 最大的挫败感，在于中国人的名校情结

06:10 名气不能当饭吃：申请前如何平衡名校情结、个人能力、导师匹配度、现实考量

07:46 一直没有对名校祛魅

09:17 越来越希望自己有个稳定的收入来源和生活，而非纯粹学术追求

10:06 单纯因为年龄增加和欧洲同事的影响

11:45 对未来的规划：不想等待，没有执念，随波逐流

12:50 博后、金融、咨询

13:50 对学界没有期待，有职位就是礼物

14:22 能否适应商业节奏和逻辑？进入香港政府和NGO等公共服务领域？

16:36 长远倾向于香港，短期来看考虑欧美/日本博后

17:40 奔波疲劳，欧洲文化和生活方式不适应

18:35 瑞士岗位制博士的薪水足够吗？

20:54 ISFJ 没有灵感逼自己写一百个字， 大一规划好自己走的路

24:50 来自朋友和对象的社会支持

26:00 亲密关系中的情感需求及相处模式

27:30 在一起两年多后的新模式：过一种有伴侣又相对单身的生活

28:30 不因异地恋而痛苦：在不同生活中切换，更自洽

29:30 对伴侣制的观察和思考：婚姻和家庭是必要的吗？

33:41 我的家庭不太开明，但是读博后他们更尊重我

34:35 父母给我的deadline是毕业

Narrowly Missing Oxford: PhD Future Planning and Intimate Relationships

00:00 Unexpected events in PhD applications: narrowly missing out on Oxford
01:35 The Oxford committee’s rejection; the increasing difficulty of rolling applications
02:30 Applied to over 30 schools; full of frustration with the Western application process
04:30 The greatest frustration stems from the obsession of Chinese people with prestigious schools
06:10 Prestige isn’t everything: how to balance between top schools, personal abilities, supervisor compatibility, and practical considerations before applying
07:46 Still haven’t fully disenchanted with the prestige of elite schools
09:17 More and more, I wish for a stable income and life rather than purely academic pursuits
10:06 This desire is partly due to getting older and influenced by European colleagues
11:45 Future planning: don’t want to wait around, no strong attachment, just going with the flow
12:50 Postdoc, finance, consulting
13:50 No high expectations for academia; having a position is a gift
14:22 Can I adapt to the pace and logic of the business world? Considering public service roles in the Hong Kong government or NGOs?
16:36 Long-term inclination towards Hong Kong; in the short term, considering postdocs in Europe/Japan
17:40 Exhausted from moving around; European culture and lifestyle are hard to adjust to
18:35 Is the salary from a structured Swiss PhD position sufficient?
20:54 As an ISFJ, forcing myself to write a hundred words without inspiration; I mapped out my path in freshman year
24:50 Social support from friends and a partner
26:00 Emotional needs and interaction patterns in intimate relationships
27:30 A new mode of life after more than two years together: living with a partner while maintaining a relatively single lifestyle
28:30 Not suffering from a long-distance relationship: switching between different lives, more at peace with myself
29:30 Reflections on partnership: Is marriage and family necessary?
33:41 My family isn’t very open-minded, but since pursuing my PhD, they’ve shown me more respect
34:35 My parents’ deadline for me is graduation

今天我们邀请到了甘露寺梅梅，跟我们分享她对于学术生活和公共传播的看法。梅梅目前在瑞士读博，因为她近期回国调研，我们得以在深圳叙旧。我跟梅梅是5年前在香港认识的，当时我们读同一个硕士项目，是同班同学。当时，我对梅梅的印象是，一位温文尔雅的都市知识女性。但是由于口罩原因，我们只有三个月左右的线下缘分。说起来，我跟梅梅有不少相似的地方，我们年纪相仿，青春时代在同一个城市，也就是广州度过，我们在日本留学过，而且还都是早稻田大学。但我们也有很多不同，用最直观的年轻人划分群组方式MBTI来看的话，我是INFP调解者，她是ISFJ守卫者。我们对于学术生活和公共传播的态度以及行事风格上，会有什么样独特的心得体会呢？

本期嘉宾：

@甘露寺梅梅（瑞士读博ing

在日本早稻田大学的政治经济专业就读本科，之后在港科大读了两个硕士，一个msc和一个mphil，专业都不一样。毕业后之后去了瑞士读经济地理的岗位制博士。在苏黎世大学一个国际化的团队完成学术项目。在小红书至今积累了50w阅读和6000+followers。

@Kimie

中山大学日语系本科，香港科技大学全球中国研究硕士，香港中文大学日本研究人类学方向博士在读。研究方向为东亚地区的数字社会文化。在田野中开始反思学术异化、失败、软弱。关注跨文化交流和公共对话，发表文章在👸号：Kimie的田野日志。

01:43 公众传播的轨迹：本科探索知乎，博士初期写小红书，分享留学经历

03:13 对比不同平台：小红书的新手友好，流量忽高忽低，鼓励继续创作；公众号影响力有限；知乎关注度不高；尝试播客中

04:46 小红书的创作变化和未来期待：从发泄情绪，到生活记录；从文字到视频；真正想做的是分享知识和有意义的思想

05:48 青年研究者参与流量经济的竞争：更多地在公众领域发声

06:25 接受高等教育的自己，分享所学很有意义。在劣币驱逐良币的数字经济下，我们有责任提供更优质的内容。

07:37 在学术中丧失意义感，转而去做小红书。学术的回馈周期很长，会有虚无感。自媒体的反馈有及时性。

08:47 漫长的喜欢学术，但还是会有倦怠

10:07 学术研究和论文写作中棘手枯燥的部分

13:30 单打独斗和与导师合作

15:45 瑞士岗位制博士的团队协作和目标导向

17:37 六月份回国后的学术研究状态

18:40 瑞士每周开例会，TA助教需要自己教课，一学期讲四节自己不熟悉的课

20:05 田野中做访谈的挑战以及温馨小贴士

23:24 如何快速与受访者建立信任：信息透明，价值互换

24:04 田野中遇到具体的人是男性还是女性呢？你的具体感受是什么？

25:18 面对地位高的男性：不平等的关系，没有事先做好功课，身体不适，没有把握住机会

30:30 我们可能会被他的气场所震慑，但不要自责，可以广撒网，错过了他还有其他人

31:35 男性接受采访的比例更高，更愿意发表自己的观点

Five Years, Four Majors: A Swiss PhD Student’s Public Exploration and Interdisciplinary Research

Today, we are joined by Mei Mei, who will share her insights on academic life and public communication. Mei Mei is currently pursuing her PhD in Switzerland, and since she recently returned to China for research, we were able to catch up in Shenzhen. Mei Mei and I first met five years ago in Hong Kong when we were both enrolled in the same master's program and were classmates. 

There are quite a few similarities between us: we are around the same age, spent our youth in the same city—Guangzhou, both studied abroad in Japan, and both attended Waseda University. However, we also have many differences. If we were to use the popular MBTI personality test that young people use to group themselves, I am an INFP mediator, while she is an ISFJ defender. What unique insights might we have regarding academic life and public communication based on our differing attitudes and approaches?

Guest for this episode:
@Mei Mei (currently pursuing a PhD in Switzerland)

• She completed her undergraduate degree in Political Economy at Waseda University, Japan, and went on to earn two master’s degrees at the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology: an MSc and an MPhil in two different disciplines. Afterward, she went to Switzerland to pursue a PhD in economic geography under a structured program. She works on academic projects with an international team at the University of Zurich. To date, she has accumulated over 500,000 views and 6,000+ followers on Xiaohongshu (Little Red Book).

01:43 Trajectory of public communication: exploring Zhihu during her undergrad, starting on Xiaohongshu early in her PhD, and sharing her study abroad experiences
03:13 Comparing different platforms: Xiaohongshu is beginner-friendly, traffic is unpredictable but encourages continued creation; public accounts have limited influence; low attention on Zhihu; currently experimenting with podcasts
04:46 Changes in Xiaohongshu content creation and future expectations: from venting emotions to documenting life; from text to video; what she truly wants to do is share knowledge and meaningful ideas
05:48 Young researchers competing in the attention economy: more involvement in the public sphere
06:25 With the higher education she has received, sharing what she has learned feels significant. In the digital economy, where inferior content often drives out quality content, we have a responsibility to provide better content.
07:37 Losing a sense of meaning in academia and turning to Xiaohongshu. The feedback cycle in academia is long, creating a sense of futility. Social media provides immediate feedback.
08:47 Loving academia over the long term but still experiencing burnout
10:07 Tedious and challenging aspects of academic research and paper writing
13:30 Working solo vs. collaborating with supervisors
15:45 Team collaboration and goal-oriented work in Swiss PhD programs
17:37 Her academic research status after returning to China in June
18:40 Weekly meetings in Switzerland, where TAs need to teach courses and deliver four sessions per semester, often on unfamiliar subjects
20:05 Challenges of conducting interviews during fieldwork and some warm tips
23:24 How to quickly build trust with interviewees: transparency and value exchange
24:04 Were your interviewees mostly men or women? What were your specific feelings?
25:18 Dealing with high-status men: unequal relationships, lack of preparation, feeling physically unwell, and missing opportunities
30:30 We might be intimidated by their aura, but don’t blame yourself. Cast a wide net—if you miss one, there are always others
31:35 A higher proportion of men accept interviews and are more willing to express their views

两位来自香港中文大学的INFP高年级博士生，乐呵呵地笑对自己的“无学术产出”。没有效率的同时，也没有焦虑。哈哈。

01:26 论文写作的问题：思维太发散

02:33 论文写作当成KPI，而非创造知识

03:33 美国哈佛博士生的魔鬼学术训练

04:12 松弛的香港和英国学术体系

05:40 规律的学术工作：单调枯燥？高产出？

09:15 焦虑J人：超前规划 v.s. 乐观P人：随心所欲（快乐在平时）

10:00 P人找J人合作，或者靠近J人

12:18 师生关系：在导师面前是个废物？

13:56 田野让我更加自信，统筹资源，敢于找老师

15:30 直呼老师名字让我觉得，我们更平等

16:50 如果没有这些推迟毕业的经历，还会有点可惜

19:20 随着时间的积累，成果会向你走来

23:45 播客在于共在与陪伴，我想记录有趣的人事物

24:38 田野中的软弱与失败经历

25:00 拜访某人前的忐忑，不是只有我很怂，被拒绝了怎么办

26:48 失败不一定引向成功，更重要的是接受自己

P人适合做学术吗？写作没有感觉怎么办？容易分心，换着文章写是良方吗？爆发性写作选手，需要训练自己成为流水线工人吗？跟J人合作会变好嘛？

毫无进展正常吗？停下来就一定是坏事吗？停的作用是什么？

学术是工作还是志业？我做学术是想创造知识，这样会被淘汰吗？学术马拉松选手如何能存活下来？

害怕导师觉得自己很菜怎么办？没有成果找导师聊天会怎么样？跟导师当平等的同事会让自己更有底气吗？

I人能够胜任田野吗？如何不尴尬地开启对话？如何假装共情？当你面对一个大你六十岁的人的时候，当你被一群男性包围的时候，当你去酒会而身体又不适合喝酒的时候，你要怎么办？

去年五月，我离开香港时，历史系的柳柳在写毕业论文，“去年写了三分之一，今年还是只有三分之一。”

她最近刚崴到脚，跟我说起最近的状态，“过去一周很废，躺在床上，啥都没进展。”

但她的心态似乎很不错，挺乐观。

我一时起意，在食堂用餐时跟她讨论起论文写作、博士生活、师生关系、学术体系等话题。这也是因为，我最近在构思一个对于“软弱和失败”的讨论。这源于我对田野工作乃至学术界的反思，也适用于生活的方方面面。

Take Care of Yourself: INFP Female PhD Students Talk About Failure in Academia

Two senior INFP PhD students from the Chinese University of Hong Kong laugh cheerfully about their "lack of academic output." They’re both inefficient but also not anxious. Haha.

01:26 Problems with writing papers: thinking is too scattered
02:33 Treating paper writing as a KPI instead of creating knowledge
03:33 The rigorous academic training of PhD students at Harvard
04:12 Relaxed academic systems in Hong Kong and the UK
05:40 Regular academic work: monotonous and boring? Or highly productive?
09:15 Anxious Judging types: planning ahead vs. Optimistic Perceiving types: going with the flow (enjoying life in the moment)
10:00 Perceiving types collaborating with Judging types, or getting close to them
12:18 Teacher-student relationships: feeling like a failure in front of your advisor?
13:56 Fieldwork has made me more confident, helped me manage resources, and gave me the courage to approach professors
15:30 Calling professors by their first names makes me feel more equal to them
16:50 Without the experience of postponing graduation, I’d feel like I missed out on something
19:20 As time goes by, achievements will come to you
23:45 Podcasts are about being together and offering companionship. I want to document interesting people and things
24:38 Experiences of weakness and failure during fieldwork
25:00 The nervousness before visiting someone—I'm not the only one who’s timid. What if I get rejected?
26:48 Failure doesn’t necessarily lead to success; what’s more important is accepting yourself

Are Perceiving types suited for academia? What should you do if writing doesn’t feel right? If you’re easily distracted, is switching between different articles a good solution? For those who work best in bursts, should they train themselves to be more like assembly line workers? Would collaborating with Judging types improve things?

Is making no progress normal? Is taking a break always bad? What’s the role of stopping?
Is academia a job or a calling? I pursue academia to create knowledge—does this mean I’ll be left behind? How can academic marathon runners survive?

What if you're afraid your advisor thinks you're incompetent? What happens when you have no results to share during meetings? Would considering your advisor an equal make you more confident?

Are introverts suited for fieldwork? How do you start a conversation without feeling awkward? How do you fake empathy? What do you do when facing someone sixty years older than you, when you're surrounded by a group of men, or when you're at a social event but can’t drink?

Last May, when I was leaving Hong Kong, Liu Liu from the History Department was writing her thesis. "I wrote one-third last year, and it's still only one-third this year."

Recently, she sprained her ankle and told me about her current state. "This past week, I’ve been useless, just lying in bed with no progress."

But her attitude seemed quite good—pretty optimistic.

On a whim, I discussed thesis writing, PhD life, teacher-student relationships, and academic systems with her during lunch at the cafeteria. This was also because I’ve been thinking recently about discussing "weakness and failure." It stems from my reflections on fieldwork and academia and applies to many aspects of life as well.

我们看待世间万物的角度有很多，为什么只能局限于一种呢？

大家好，天真的人类学家开播了，这里是人类学小使者Kimie，希望能带给大家欢声笑语，同时稍作片刻思考。

为什么要做播客？为什么取名天真的人类学家？

这期，我决定讲讲做播客的初衷，以及播客名字的由来。

播客的想法最早来源于去年，也就是2023年的下半年，我和两位博士生小伙伴，在学术会议的休息期间，就各自的研究话题和社会观察，展开了随性的讨论……后来没过多久，在田野中，我被一位受访者采访了，我成为了他播客的座上宾。……之后，我辗转各地，在东京、香港、埃克塞特、广州、深圳，我和相遇的朋友们谈到了做播客这件事情。他们无一例外地表示支持，甚至有些人鼓励我早点做。这些来自附近的支持及需求，让我感到充满动力。

嗯，回到那个哈姆雷特式的提问：做还是不做，这是一个问题。

02:00 其实这是一本书的名字，由一位在牛津和剑桥都学习过的人类学家所撰写。我第一次听说这个名字，是在访谈一位在东京的中国数字游民的时候。他问我是如何看待我跟他之间的关系，是研究者跟被试者，甚至是小白鼠之间的关系吗？

我连忙解释，这是种平等真诚的对话关系，我很希望能够聆听并且理解你的想法。随后，我跟他讲述了人类学者做田野，并不是在做实验，而是真的在生活，在交朋友，在长期观察、参与、陪伴。他似乎被我打动了，跟我说，“我很期待能够在书店里读到你的作品，就像那位天真的人类学家一样”。

我当时大为触动，把书名牢记在心。

03:15 我希望成为一个讲好故事的人类学者，可以把日常中最琐碎，最平凡，最具体的那些东西讲的生动平实形象，同时不乏新鲜的思考视角。......这是我眼中的，人类学学科视角的任务，甚至是使命。

04:10 我还想谈谈更具体、更个人化的东西。在田野里，我遇到了不少有意思的人，也听了很多故事，像是活了很多场人生。......我想把这些联系，以某种方式记录下来。

在这个系列的播客里，大家可以期待的是，我与各种各样的朋友进行的有趣讨论。有时候，我们的讨论在咖啡厅，在大学食堂，在教学楼办公室，在自己的家，在城市乡村的任何一个角落。

05:00 相遇则是缘分。我希望这个平台就像，咖啡厅、小酒馆， 能够见证许许多多的缘分在此交织汇聚。它提供了一个新的场所，让对话在此诞生，让思考在此碰撞。希望我和我的朋友能在你心中点燃一团小火苗，我相信终有一日，这些火苗将生长成为燎原的智慧。

The Innocent Anthropologist: Exploring the Intrigue of Life

There are many ways to perceive the world around us, so why should we limit ourselves to just one?

Hello everyone, The Innocent Anthropologist podcast has officially launched! I’m Kimie, your anthropological envoy, here to bring you some laughter and a moment of reflection.

Why start a podcast? And why name it The Innocent Anthropologist?

In this episode, I’ll share the inspiration behind creating this podcast and the story behind its name.

The idea for the podcast first came to me in the second half of last year, in 2023. During breaks at an academic conference, two fellow PhD students and I casually discussed our research topics and social observations. Shortly after, while doing fieldwork, I was interviewed by one of my informants and became a guest on their podcast. Later, as I traveled through various places—Tokyo, Hong Kong, Exeter, Guangzhou, and Shenzhen—I talked about the idea of starting a podcast with friends I met along the way. Without exception, they were supportive, with some even encouraging me to start as soon as possible. This nearby support and demand filled me with motivation.

Now, back to the Hamlet-like question: To do or not to do—that is the question.

02:00 The podcast’s title actually comes from a book written by an anthropologist who studied at both Oxford and Cambridge. I first heard this name during an interview with a Chinese digital nomad in Tokyo. He asked how I viewed the relationship between us—was it one between a researcher and a subject, or perhaps even like that of a lab rat?

I quickly explained that it was a relationship of equal and sincere dialogue. I was very keen to listen to and understand his thoughts. I then shared that anthropologists doing fieldwork aren’t conducting experiments—they’re living, making friends, observing over the long term, participating, and accompanying others. He seemed moved by my words and said, "I look forward to reading your work in a bookstore, just like that Innocent Anthropologist."

I was deeply touched and kept the book’s title in my heart.

03:15 I aspire to be an anthropologist who tells good stories—stories that bring to life the most trivial, mundane, and specific details of everyday life in a vivid, authentic way, while offering fresh perspectives for thought. This, in my eyes, is the mission of the anthropological discipline.

04:10 I also want to talk about something more personal and specific. In my fieldwork, I’ve met many interesting people and heard countless stories, like living multiple lives. I want to connect and record these experiences in some way.

In this podcast series, you can expect engaging discussions with various friends. Sometimes we’ll be in a café, a university cafeteria, an office in an academic building, at home, or in any corner of a city or village.

05:00 Encounters are a matter of fate. I hope this platform can be like a café or a small pub—where many fated encounters intertwine. It provides a new space for dialogue to be born and for thoughts to collide. I hope my friends and I can ignite a small flame in your heart, and I believe one day, these sparks will grow into a wildfire of wisdom.