We begin by acknowledging recent pardons and the President’s constitutional authority to do so.

Our special guest, Ben Siders, explains Congress’s role to legislate in areas of national security and the typical deference that the courts pay to that role. Then, he explains what the Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act actually says.

We share our thoughts on the measure and how other countries approach security and business ownership.

John worries about the possibility of overly broad interpretations of the law and Tim tries to draw a distinction between an app on a smartphone and “speech.”

Tim’s whack-job shows how feelings about TikTok have real world consequences.

Ben’s hero is a boy who showed extraordinary courage to protect another.

In John’s Dispatch from America, he tells of a hero who helped create the profession of nurse practitioner.

Referred to in this podcast:

H.R. 7521

Loretta Ford, champion of nurse practitioners, dies at 104 - The Washington Post

11-year-old honored as ‘local hero’ after dog attack

Menasha man charged for starting fire at Wisconsin congressman's office - WPR

What happened to Michael Vick’s dog-fighting dogs? ‘Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel’ finds out

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