It was great having Carmen Tall on the NGPF podcast recently to discuss her work at a non-profit, Mercy Connections, located in Burlington, Vermont. Carmen is the director of the Women's Small Business program. It was through that work that Carmen identified the need for a Financial Empowerment class to improve the financial skills of her clients. We had a great conversation covering a variety of topics; from Carmen's experience as an entrepreneur and how that shapes her program to how she creates a safe and open environment so difficult conversations about money happen. What is clear throughout the podcast is Carmen's passion for her work and how impactful that work has been in creating a thriving start-up ecosystem in Burlington. I can't wait to try the cupcakes when I am in town next!