The conversation continues with Jackie & Andrew - husband and wife, parents, business owners and behavioral health experts who, for 20 years, have helped thousands of people step out of the darkness and into the light.

In this quick episode, we throw around some science, a few opinions, and a little reframing, as it relates to giving, receiving – or maybe just being  – during the holidays.

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