To Be and Do with Phil Amerson

[Recorded on 09/11/2026]

Correction: The audio and the transcript refer to Thomas Merton. The actual name of the sociologist referred to is Robert Merton.

In this reflective episode of the To Be and Do Podcast, Phil Amerson marks the anniversary of 9/11 by exploring the enduring relevance of hope, especially in times of tragedy and uncertainty. Drawing on personal anecdotes, theological insights, sociology, and poetry, Phil Amerson unpacks how communities—particularly congregations—can reclaim hope amid narratives of decline and scarcity.

Three Key Takeaways

1. Reframing Scarcity: The Power of Perception

Phil Amerson discusses how many congregations, particularly in mainline Protestant circles, have internalized a narrative of decline—seeing themselves as impoverished, aging, and dying even when new resources or opportunities appear. He introduces sociological concepts like the Thomas Theorem, explaining that “what a person perceives to be real becomes real in its consequences” (09:17). This lens challenges listeners to realize the transformative power of perception: clinging to narratives of scarcity can entrench decline, while shifting focus can open fresh possibilities for community and mission.

2. Pathways of Hope: Hearing, Outcomes, Parish, and Ecologies

The heart of the episode is Phil Amerson’s practical acronym—HOPE—that offers a way forward for congregations and organizations:

Hearing: True hearing goes beyond simply listening; it means engaging with people as subjects with gifts, not objects to be fixed (12:19).

Outcomes: Communities should systematically measure the outcomes of their actions—not just adopting quick fixes but seeking real growth and impact (17:02).

Parish Focus: Instead of inward focus, congregations should engage with their wider parish—inviting voices from the neighborhood to shape ministry (21:00).

Ecologies of Hope: The goal is to foster interconnected, hopeful environments rather than top-down, fear-based structures (24:05).

3. Hold Fast to Dreams

Capping the discussion, Phil Amerson invokes Langston Hughes to stress that hope is sustained by the willingness to dream. “Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life becomes a broken-winged bird that cannot fly” (25:14). This poetic anchor reminds listeners that cultivating hope is an ongoing act of vision, persistence, and community encouragement.

Whether you are part of a faith community or seeking inspiration for fostering hope in any institution, this episode offers practical and soul-stirring guidance for moving forward in times when hope feels scarce.

Correction: The audio and the transcript refer to Thomas Merton. The actual name of the sociologist referred to is Robert Merton.

Pathways of Hope

Hearing: Listening is not the same as hearing. When local

leaders feel unheard, enduring harm is done.

Outcomes can be measured. Prayerful, shared initiatives

undertaken, evaluated and cycles of renewal continued.

Parish focus: Congregationalism leads to devaluing of

parish. In the U.K. we see value of STP (Save the Parish).

Ecologies of encouragement: When systems unintentionally

drift into fear-based ecologies, top-down approaches fail and

are counterproductive.

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In this episode, Phil Amerson sits down with Tom Heaton, founder of Mission Guatemala and longtime leader in missions and justice ministries in Indiana and beyond. Together, they explore Tom Heaton journey from local church challenges to creating a nonprofit making a tangible difference in rural Guatemala. The conversation touches on the organization’s origins, ongoing projects, guiding principles, and the power of genuine partnership.

• Tom Heaton described how Mission Guatemala was born out of frustration with misplaced priorities in the local church—including a moment when complaints about scuff marks on a floor sharply contrasted with the realities he’d seen abroad, such as children without shoes. This perspective shift led Tom Heaton to embrace responsibility and move from “someone should do something” to actively being that someone. His experiences adopting children from Guatemala and witnessing need firsthand drove him to launch Mission Guatemala 05:31.

A recurring theme is that meaningful aid comes from partnership, not paternalism. Tom Heaton emphasized that Mission Guatemala does not impose solutions but listens to local communities and works alongside them. Projects, whether a medical clinic, computer classroom, or sanitation facilities, succeed because locals contribute “sweat equity.” This approach ensures both effectiveness and community pride, as seen in a story where parents, having helped dig a septic hole, took extra ownership in school bathroom maintenance 14:19.

Mission Guatemala’s work focuses on three priorities: health, education, and nutrition. Services range from a respectful medical clinic and pharmacy to running computer classes for middle schoolers (filling a governmental gap) and partnering with groups such as the Matteal Institute to provide high-nutrition food for infants and young children. The goal is sustainability and long-term change through local engagement, collaboration, and addressing real needs identified by Guatemalans 08:04 10:12.

• To support or learn about Mission Guatemala, visit missionguatemala.com
• Want more stories of connection and belonging? Check out past episodes on our blog.
• ABOUT TOM HEATON
• Tom Heaton is a retired United Methodist pastor who served congregations across Indiana for nearly thirty years and later led mission and justice ministries for the Indiana Conference of the UMC.
• He is also the founder of Mission Guatemala, a nonprofit ministry serving rural communities in Guatemala through healthcare, education, nutrition, and community development. His years in Guatemala deeply shaped both his faith and the way he understands prayer, suffering, and the presence of God in ordinary life.
• Tom holds a Bachelor of Science in Communications from the University of Evansville and a Master of Divinity from Christian Theological Seminary. He writes and speaks about faith, prayer, grief, and everyday life with honesty, warmth, and a pastor’s heart.
• email: [email protected]

Love, Risk, and Community: Lessons in Belonging with Seana Murphy

Welcome to another inspiring episode of To Be and Do! In this heartfelt conversation, host Phil Amerson welcomes back his friend and longtime teacher, Seana Murphy, for an exploration of love, community, and resilience. Building on their previous discussion, Phil and Shauna reflect on the powerful, often unrecognized abundance found within community relationships—particularly in neighborhoods marked by hardship.

Seana shares moving stories from her own upbringing, painting a vivid picture of neighbors supporting each other not just with material goods, but with acts of love that required true sacrifice. From sharing government-issued beans to caring for neighbors in crisis, she highlights how love in community is about collective resilience and generosity—far beyond simple charity or transactional help.

As the conversation unfolds, Phil and Shauna discuss how authentic love is inherently risky and uncomfortable. They share honest reflections on how well-meaning efforts can sometimes unintentionally impose power rather than foster caring, urging listeners to continuously self-reflect on their motivations when serving others. Shauna insightfully notes that true love is transformative, often asks us to let go, and is rooted not in seeking recognition, but in deep commitment to one another.

The podcast also delves into the challenge—and necessity—of rekindling imagination in the face of injustice and loss. While both Phil and Seana recognize the cruelty present in today’s systems, they express hope that the next generation, unburdened by the baggage of old institutions, can imagine new paths forward. They stress the importance of elders supporting young people not by directing them, but by saying “yes” and making space for their leadership.

Key Takeaways:

1. Love is Action, Not Sentiment: True community love is about self-sacrifice, risk, and showing up for one another—even, and especially, when it’s uncomfortable.
2. Abundance is Already Present: Communities have inherent gifts, skills, and wisdom—such as the example of a neighborhood violin teacher or resourceful residents—if we have the eyes to see them.
3. Power vs. Love: Well-intentioned acts can sometimes become exercises in control or power. Regular self-reflection is necessary to ensure our actions foster genuine care.
4. Imagination Fuels Change: Even in dark times, hope remains when communities—especially young people—are encouraged to imagine boldly, rather than replicate broken systems.
5. Elders’ Role is to Support, Not Direct: Lasting change comes when older generations make room for youth to lead and innovate, investing trust in their visions for the future.

Join Phil and Seana for this thoughtful episode—a testament to the enduring strength of community, the transformative nature of love, and the vital importance of passing the torch of imagination to those who follow.

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In this compelling debut episode of "To Be and Do," hosts Dr. Brad Miller and Philip Amerson delve into a meaningful conversation with Dr. Charlie Nelms, renowned servant leader, philanthropist, and advocate for equity and excellence, particularly in the realm of education for historically marginalized communities. Dr. Nelms shares his transformative journey and insights, offering inspiration and wisdom for fostering belonging and creating positive societal change.

Here are three key takeaways from the episode:

1. The Power of Place and Memory: Philip Amerson recounts a heartwarming experience crossing the Ohio River, which triggers memories of learning life-changing lessons at Scribner Park, particularly the story of the Good Samaritan shared by Miss Stella Newhouse. This evocation emphasizes the importance of places and experiences that shape our understanding of kindness and community. Dr. Nelms builds on this idea, encouraging listeners to reflect on personal landmarks and the lessons of compassion and service ingrained in those spaces.
2. Education as the Engine of Opportunity: Dr. Nelms passionately speaks about the pivotal role of education as a means of transformation and progress, especially for those not born into privilege. Growing up in the Arkansas Delta, his education opened doors, allowing him to impact countless lives positively. He critiques recent challenges to DEI (Diversity, Equity, Inclusion) initiatives, stressing the importance of remaining committed to equity beyond structural constructs. Dr. Nelms calls for continued investment in education across all levels (P-16) to foster social mobility, economic opportunity, and a stronger democracy.
3. Perseverance Through Historical Context: One of Dr. Nelms’ profound messages is to avoid discouragement amid societal setbacks, instead drawing strength from the long history of struggle and progress dating back to 1619. By recounting personal anecdotes, including the impactful influence of his mother, Dr. Nelms underscores the resilience needed to face today's challenges. His narrative serves as a reminder that history provides essential lessons for navigating contemporary issues and sustaining hope.

Join us on this journey of encouragement, empowerment, and belonging as we weave connections among people and promote a flourishing society. To learn more and engage with our community, visit belongingexchange.org. Be inspired to "Be" and "Do" within your community today.

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In this captivating episode of "To Be and Do," host Philip Amerson welcomes Bishop Ken Carder to discuss his life journey and the influential themes within his recent work, "Shifting Margins: From Fear and Exclusion Toward Love and Belonging." This episode delves into the wisdom gained from Bishop Carder's experiences as both a pastor and a bishop, his profound understanding of institutional influence, and the deeply personal encounters that have shaped his theological perspectives.

Ken Carder reflects on the theme of "shifting margins," a concept inspired by the work of John Swinton from Scotland's Saint Andrews. This idea, which suggests that Jesus shifts the margins to place the marginalized at the center, has guided Carder's personal and professional journey. From his upbringing in Southern Appalachia to his pastoral roles, Carder's life reflects a continuous broadening of understanding and inclusivity.

Key takeaway points include:

1. Shifting Margins and Expanding Horizons: Carder shares how his life's journey has been a constant evolution of shifting margins, moving from limitations of poverty and rigid beliefs to a more inclusive understanding of belonging and love. This growth is seen not just in personal relationships but in the broadening of theological perspectives, highlighting the ever-expanding nature of understanding God.
2. Institutional Influence and Personal Responsibility: Carder candidly discusses the dual nature of institutions that shape us, noting that while they are necessary, they can also perpetuate societal sins like racism and privilege. He emphasizes the importance of not allowing institutions to bear the burden of our sins, thereby shirking personal responsibility.
3. Moments of Conversion and Recognition: Throughout his narrative, Carder identifies pivotal life moments as conversions, times when his perspectives were realigned. One notable story is of learning the disparity in salaries with fellow pastor Tom Barrington, highlighting systemic racial inequities within the church and awakening Carder to his inherent privilege.
4. Reconciliation through Second Corinthians 5: Carder discusses how the passage "God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself" has been a guiding light in his ministry, reinforcing the call to live into reconciliation in a world marked by division.
5. Symbolic Relics and Personal Heritage: The episode touches on the power of tangible objects, like Carder's grandfather's pocketknife, which serves as a reminder of the wisdom in simplicity and the value retained beyond functional capacities.

As you listen to this heartfelt dialogue, you'll find inspiration in Carder's journey of recognizing and embracing change, weaving a narrative of personal growth towards a more inclusive understanding of humanity and God.

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In the latest episode of "To Be and Do," Phil Amerson takes a deep dive into the complex and contentious issue of Christian nationalism. Drawing from personal experiences, historical context, and the insights of various scholars, Phil offers a thoughtful examination of why Christian nationalism is gaining momentum in the United States and why it presents a challenge to both the Christian faith and the nation's values.

Phil begins by addressing the rise of Christian nationalism in Indiana, where figures like Lt. Gov. Micah Beckwith publicly endorse the ideology. He identifies a growing movement that seeks to eliminate funding for diversity, equity, and inclusion based on the notion that this aligns with "what God intended for America."

Phil highlights the works of authors like Andrew Whitehead and Tim Alberta, who provide valuable perspectives on Christian nationalism's roots. He explains that this ideology is not new, referencing historical debates in Britain and introducing the term "antidisestablishmentarianism" to explain the historical push for religious influence in government affairs.

The narrative continues by challenging the misconception that America was founded as a solely Christian nation. Phil underscores the diversity in religious and cultural expressions at the nation's founding, illustrated by references to the first amendment's establishment clause.

Evangelical scholar Kevin DeYoung's analysis is brought into focus, revealing that while there's an understandable hunger for Christian nationalism among some, it fails the "biblical smell test," lacking a true alignment with Christian teachings.

Phil reflects on his own experiences, recalling sermons from the 1960s that warned against a Catholic America under JFK's presidency. He also recounts insights from African American evangelist Tom Skinner, who criticized the whitewashed representation of Jesus prevalent in American churches.

Throughout the episode, Phil stresses the importance of confronting the fraudulent portrayal of Christ promoted by Christian nationalism, highlighting its underlying racism and antisemitism, as seen during events like the 2017 Charlottesville rally.

The episode concludes with a powerful call to action, inspired by British Methodist preacher Donald English's notion of providing "free samples" rather than being mere salesmen of the gospel. Phil urges listeners to embody the true essence of Christianity, which is welcoming and inclusive, fostering a space where diverse voices are valued.

Key Takeaways:

1. Christian nationalism is gaining traction but conflicts with foundational US principles and Christian teachings.
2. Historical contexts, like Britain's religious debates, offer insight into the recurring nature of these ideologies.
3. The US Constitution's establishment clause historically supports religious diversity and freedom.
4. Misinterpretations of America's religious foundations can lead to exclusionary and harmful ideologies.
5. True Christianity should focus on inclusivity and embodying Christ’s teachings, not nationalism.

In this uplifting episode of the "To Be and Do" podcast, host Phil Amerson welcomes renowned composer, performer, and all-around creative force Ken Medema for a conversation brimming with humor, heart, and musical insight. From the outset, it's clear that their friendship is built on decades of camaraderie and good-natured ribbing, instantly putting listeners at ease and drawing them into an authentic dialogue.

The episode begins with Phil Amerson highlighting the many hats worn by Ken Medema—artist, composer, performer, and advocate for justice. Ken Medema describes his multifaceted work, from performing concerts in churches and fundraising for nonprofits, to nurturing a unique house church for Broadway entertainers who have felt alienated by traditional church environments. Through his Interlude foundation, Ken Medema not only brings music to diverse communities, but also creates spaces of belonging and support, especially for artists who often find themselves on the fringes.

A touching centerpiece of this episode comes when Phil Amerson shares an experience involving a homeless woman on a cold Midwestern morning and the simple but profound offer of a cup of coffee from a stranger. Ken Medema, with his signature improvisational brilliance, turns this story into a heartfelt song, capturing the human longing to be seen and the transformative power of small acts of kindness.

Throughout their conversation, Ken Medema and Phil Amerson reflect on the importance of community and interdependence, especially through music. They discuss the unique, holy moments shared by choir members breathing in unison before singing—a metaphor for working together towards something none could achieve alone. Ken Medema expresses his passion for choirs, both in church and the wider community, noting how these gatherings foster support and leadership beyond their musical contributions.

Key Takeaways:

Small Acts, Big Impact: Simple gestures—like offering coffee to someone in need—carry profound meaning and are opportunities for connection and compassion.

Music as Community: Choirs and communal singing create deep bonds, offering not just harmony in music but also support and togetherness, especially important as church choirs wane and community choirs rise.

Inclusive Spiritual Spaces:

Ken Medema's work with the Interlude foundation shows the power of creating alternative spiritual communities where everyone, especially those who feel marginalized, can belong.

The Power of Story and Song:

Ken Medema

demonstrates how stories, when set to music, can help us see one another more clearly and honor the sacredness in everyday encounters.

Listeners are left inspired by the gentle wisdom and creative spirit that define both this episode and the enduring friendship at its core.

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In this deeply engaging episode of "To Be And Do," hosted by Phil Amerson, listeners are invited into the life and reflections of Bud Herron. A storyteller with a rich background in media, Bud shares profound insights shaped by his experiences from his upbringing and college years at Indiana University. Growing up in Hope, Indiana, Bud paints a vivid picture of his middle-class family life, the socio-economic divides present in his childhood town, and the unexpected perspective he gained upon meeting Pat Patterson, a brilliant peer from a small town in Indiana.

Pat, who lived in a repurposed train station and hailed from an exceptionally humble background, epitomized resilience and brilliance, majoring in Russian and economics at Indiana University despite dire financial constraints. The bond Bud formed with Pat was transformative, challenging his understanding of poverty and altruism. One poignant story that stands out involves Bud visiting Pat's home, experiencing firsthand the environment Pat was initially embarrassed to reveal. That visit, combined with Pat's views on altruism, left a mark on Bud's philosophy of giving and community engagement.

Here are a few key takeaways from this episode:

1. Understanding Poverty Through Personal Connections: Bud's friendship with Pat deepened his empathy and understanding of economic hardship beyond his own experiences. It illustrates the importance of genuine human connection in understanding different life circumstances.
2. Altruism with Integrity: Pat Patterson’s belief that true altruism doesn't seek payment in the form of public acknowledgment or personal satisfaction challenges listeners to examine their motives in giving.
3. Empathy in Redevelopment: Pat’s success as the redevelopment director for Bloomington's Pigeon Hill area was rooted in his deep empathy and personal relationships with residents, emphasizing the pivotal role of knowing and caring for the people served.
4. The Ripple Effect of Support: The episode highlights the powerful ripple effect of support as seen in Pat’s efforts to help his brothers and mother improve their lives, creating a broader impact than initially visible.
5. Community and Belonging: Through shared stories and support, Bud and Phil highlight that building genuine community connections fosters lasting change and personal growth.

Join Phil Amerson and Bud Herron as they explore these life lessons, inviting listeners to reflect on the depth of their impact within their communities through personal connections and authentic giving.

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In this deeply moving episode, Philip Amerson welcomes Tom Heaton for a candid and vulnerable conversation on grief, faith, and the abiding power of human connection. Tom Heaton, a pastor, blogger, and humanitarian, shares the tragic experiences of losing both of his sons, Jose and Manny, to acts of violence. The episode explores his responses not just as a father but also as a Christian and a pastor, and what these experiences have taught him about God, prayer, and being present for others during times of unspeakable pain. Listeners are guided into a discussion that goes well beyond personal sorrow and toward a broader conversation on theology, community, and finding hope when faced with life's harshest realities.

Tom Heaton reflects on how, even in the deepest moments of grief, the presence and care of others—friends, colleagues, even unexpected individuals like Detective Trent Stinson—became tangible manifestations of God’s love and comfort (08:02). Rather than theological answers or empty reassurances, it was “God's warm embrace” through community that helped him hold on in his darkest hours.

Tom Heaton shares an evolution in his understanding of God and prayer. He rejects the notion of a "puppet master" God who controls every event, emphasizing instead a God who is always present with us, who “cries with us” in pain (12:15). Prayer, for Tom Heaton, becomes less about asking for intervention and more about being present with the divine presence that remains steadfast through suffering and loss.

Both Philip Emerson and Tom Heaton critique "bad theology" that tries to offer quick or simplistic explanations for tragedy, such as suggesting God needed another angel or orchestrates loss for a reason (14:09). Instead, they advocate for a theology centered on compassion, honesty, and the recognition of human agency and freedom—even when it causes pain. Their discussion urges a faith that accompanies, not explains away, grief and brokenness.

• Find more of Tom Heaton’s reflections at his blog here.
• Recommended theologian: Marjorie Suhaki on God’s presence in suffering (15:18).

To share your story or find support in grief, connect with us at the Belonging Exchange.

• To support or learn about Mission Guatemala, visit missionguatemala.com
• Want more stories of connection and belonging? Check out past episodes on our blog.
• ABOUT TOM HEATON
• Tom Heaton is a retired United Methodist pastor who served congregations across Indiana for nearly thirty years and later led mission and justice ministries for the Indiana Conference of the UMC.
• He is also the founder of Mission Guatemala, a nonprofit ministry serving rural communities in Guatemala through healthcare, education, nutrition, and community development. His years in Guatemala deeply shaped both his faith and the way he understands prayer, suffering, and the presence of God in ordinary life.
• Tom holds a Bachelor of Science in Communications from the University of Evansville and a Master of Divinity from Christian Theological Seminary. He writes and speaks about faith, prayer, grief, and everyday life with honesty, warmth, and a pastor’s heart.
• email: [email protected]

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To Be and Do Podcast: Show Notes

Host: Phil Amerson | Guest: Seana Murphy

In this deeply engaging episode of the To Be and Do podcast, host Phil Amerson welcomes Seana Murphy, a proud parent, experienced professional, and lifelong learner, for a conversation full of wisdom, reflection, and encouragement. Phil, ever grateful to his many "teachers," counts Seana among them—though she reminds us that the lessons go both ways, especially when it comes to building community and finding abundance in unexpected places.

Seana invites listeners to reconsider preconceived ideas about poverty and resilience, drawing from her own experiences growing up in a so-called “low wealth neighborhood.” While acknowledging that material poverty offers little romance in the day-to-day, she highlights the essential “invisible economies” that often exist in such communities—networks of support, food, stories, and skill-sharing that sustain neighbors even when outside institutions close their doors. Phil and Seana reminisce about local figures like Mister Danner, who hired kids and taught practical life skills, or community members who shared meals and gardens, emphasizing the wealth of gifts and talents already present if only we pause to look.

Their conversation explores the challenges and unintended consequences of well-meaning but sometimes poorly executed interventions, such as school desegregation and external social programs. Seana raises critical questions around who defines what help is needed, and who is consulted in the process, urging an asset-based approach that recognizes and uplifts those existing sources of abundance.

As the episode transitions to issues like healthcare and education, Seana shares practical ways abundance shows up—and can be tapped—in the everyday lives of families and communities. Whether it’s encouraging doctors to ask about their patients’ lives beyond medical charts or joining GirlTrek walking groups to overcome isolation, Seana’s stories offer practical wisdom for finding connection and healing.

Top Takeaways:

1. Abundance Exists All Around Us. Even in under-resourced neighborhoods, networks of support, knowledge, and skill abound. The key is learning to “strain your eyes” to see it.
2. Ask Different Questions. Real connection begins when we ask about the whole person: their joys, their stories, and what makes them dance—not just statistics or symptoms.
3. Resilience Is a Community Virtue. Seana’s story illustrates how resilience is forged through both challenge and support, and how demanding too much of it—especially from children—is an injustice.
4. Health and Healing Are Community Matters. Trust and wellness aren’t built in institutions alone, but in relationships—among neighbors, caregivers, and longstanding community “healers.”
5. Interdependence Is Strength. Echoing the podcast’s core, Seana and Phil remind us that belonging and mutual support are more powerful than any single hero’s journey.

Tune in to be encouraged—and inspired to look again at the hidden abundance that surrounds us every day.