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  • Candidates love-bombed and ghosted, the return of bro culture, and volunteering as a wellbeing program

    In this episode, we explore the turbulent landscape of modern workplaces, starting with Greenhouse's survey revealing that over half of job seekers experience ghosting or "love-bombing" during the hiring process—creating frustration and mistrust in organizations. What’s driving these behaviors, and how can HR professionals and hiring managers do better?

    Next, we delve into the lawsuit against CloudKitchens and its controversial CEO, Travis Kalanick. Allegations of wrongful termination and a return to toxic “bro culture” raise questions about how far workplace culture has—or hasn’t—evolved since the Uber scandals.

    Finally, we shift to a brighter topic: the power of volunteer programs. Studies show volunteering as the most impactful workplace wellness initiative. But is the real benefit the program itself or the sense of support employees feel when they’re encouraged to participate? We’ll unpack how organizations can build meaningful well-being into their cultures.

    Tune in for insights on the good, the bad, and the transformative potential of today’s workplaces.



    Connect with Kate
    On LinkedIn

    KJS Consulting


    Articles
    Most job seekers say they’ve been ghosted or ‘love-bombed’ during interviews—it can make them ‘question their career and sanity’

    From dinners with Travis Kalanick to fired after maternity leave: One of CloudKitchens’ earliest employees is suing

    Volunteering programs are probably the most powerful well-being benefit in your toolkit

    32 min
  • The Golden Toots and Coal-filled Boots of 2024

    2024 was a challenging year. We saw the implementation of six-day workweeks, so many layoffs, return-to-office (RTO) mandates, and DEI rollbacks. SHRM removed the E from DEI and Silicon Valley CEOs and VCs seemed to want a return to days of HR past (or no HR at all.

    We also had some progress with parental leave policies, new prenatal care protections, and much-needed conversations around the realities of HR work sparked by a viral NYT article.

    Join us as we award the first ever Golden Toots and Coal-filled Boots and recap the highs and lows of 2024.

    Connect with Kim:
    On LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kimrohrer/
    Or at her website Patchwork Portfolio: https://www.patchworkportfolio.com/

    Articles and resources we discussed:
    You Got This Journal: https://a.co/d/d417s5V
    PaidLeave.ai : https://www.paidleave.ai/


    No HR Playbook
    SHRM to lead with inclusion and diversity
    Today, Lattice Makes History and Leads the Way in Responsible Employment of AI
    Yes Madam clarifies on firing over 100 employees for being stressed, says, 'No one was fired;
    What You Should Know About the Pregnant Workers Fairness Act
    New York becomes first state to mandate paid time off for prenatal care
    Citi boosts paid parental leave to match industry peers
    So, Human Resources Is Making You Miserable?

    43 min
  • Elon to X remote work, RTOs as retaliation, and what employees really value

    In this episode, we dive into Elon Musk's and Vivek Ramaswamy's controversial task force, cheekily named the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE). Their mission? To slash federal workforce numbers by targeting remote and hybrid work—impacting up to a million federal employees. We unpack the implications, including potential productivity myths and disproportionate impacts on marginalized groups.

    Then, we pivot to Grindr's clash with the NLRB. Accused of retaliating against unionizing employees by enforcing an in-person return-to-office mandate, Grindr’s case is a litmus test for RTO policies and their role in modern labor relations. Are we seeing the start of a broader worker movement?

    Finally, we explore the “human factor” in workplace design. How can organizations create an employee experience that values flexibility, connection, and well-being in a hybrid world? From balancing tradition with innovation to rethinking digital workspaces, we’ll share insights on fostering environments where employees truly thrive.

    Tune in for a conversation that bridges the political, legal, and cultural landscapes of today’s workplace!

    Connect with Kate
    On LinkedIn

    KJS Consulting



    Articles:
    Elon Musk’s first order of business in Trump administration: Kill remote work

    NLRB: Grindr retaliated against unionizing workers by forcing a return to office

    The human factor: 5 ways to prioritize what employees really value

    30 min
  • Managers' toxic positivity, the legacy of Steve Jobs' leadership style, and a 2025 quitting spree?

    This week I'm joined by Vijay Pendakur, an author and HR advisor and consultant, to dive into toxic positivity, toxic leadership and more. First, we chat about managers glossing over bad news, creating an atmosphere of toxic positivity, and losing employee trust. Next, we talk about the leadership style of Steve Jobs, and how many too often misattribute his bullying behaviors for good leadership. And we wrap up by chatting about the potential for a 2025 quitting spree due to declining employee satisfaction - do we think a quitting spree is likely or just hype?


    Connect with Vijay Pendakur
    Dr. Vijay Pendakur is the author of the highly anticipated book, “The Alchemy of Talent: Leading Teams to Peak Performance.” A true multi-sector organizational leader, Vijay has held senior roles at four companies: Zynga, VMware, Dropbox and Salesforce. He has also served as the Dean of Students at Cornell University. In his time at Cornell, he was named Presidential Advisor for Diversity and Equity, as part of a new approach to campus-wide transformation at the largest Ivy League institution. A widely recognized thought leader, Dr. Pendakur’s writing has been featured in Fast Company, Harvard Business Review, Forbes,  and Time. Vijay is a board advisor with Ezra Coaching, Enterprise Ireland, and Wisq. He lives in Austin, Texas, with his wife, Katie, a psychotherapist and yoga teacher, and his two young daughters, Mira and Savi.

    Visit his website https://www.vijaypendakur.com/
    Connect with him on LinkedIn
    Or sign up for his newsletter: Quick tips for leading high performance teams.



    Articles
    Managers Are ‘Glossing’ Over Workplace Issues And Pushing Toxic Positivity, According To Report
    I worked with Steve Jobs. Here’s what he’d say about today’s leadership style
    Brewing worker resentment could fuel a 2025 quitting spree

    32 min
  • Employee wellbeing and trust in leadership declines, and Meta fires staff over meal vouchers

    Lindsey Caplan joins us again to discuss the stats showing that fewer than one in three employees trust their senior leaders. Next we talk about the employees fired by Meta for misusing their meal credits and what it means about org culture, trust, and how we write and implement our policies. Then, we dig into the stats that a record-low percentage of employees feel genuinely cared for by their employers, and talk about why wellness programs without real action backfire.

    Connect with Lindsey on LinkedIn or at The Gathering Effect. 

    27 min
  • The Trouble with SHRM

    On this week's episode, we're doing something a little different. I invited Morgan Williams, Tracie Sponenberg, and Sarika Lamont to go in-depth on one topic - SHRM.

    SHRM has been the talk of HR news a lot over the past year - they dropped the E from DEI, are facing a lawsuit from a former employee who is alleging discrimination and retaliation, and most recently the CEO was added to a shortlist to serve as Secretary of Labor.

    So we dive deep on SHRM - who they are, how they've changed, who they serve, and why it all matters.

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    Connect with Sarika Lamont on LinkedIn

    Connect with Tracie Sponenberg on LinkedIn or visit her website to sign up for her newsletter. Click on "resources" on her website for the SHRM-alternative list!

    Connect with Morgan Williams on LinkedIn and check out PeakHR for learning programs designed by HR practitioners for HR practitioners.

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    Articles

    • The Problem With SHRM: Why HR Professionals Feel Disappointed, Disillusioned, and Deserted
    • SHRM faces discrimination lawsuit from former employee and criticism from some HR professionals
    • SHRM announces removal of E from DEI
    • SHRM Stands Ready to Partner with Biden Administration to Support Work, Workers and Workplaces
    • Jury may decide whether SHRM conducted sham bias investigation
    • SHRM letter to President-elect Trump
    • ‘It would be an honor’: SHRM’s Johnny C. Taylor reportedly on Trump’s short list for labor secretary
    • 53 min
    • Polyworking, AI surveillance of workers, and why HR is getting tougher

      In this episode, we talk about a new HR buzz word “polyworking” – juggling multiple jobs to make ends meet. But is it just hustle and grind culture 2.0? Then, we explore recent moves by the CFPB to extend consumer protection into employment data and cautioning businesses about surveiling employees. Finally, we revisit the debate on whether HR is truly “miserable” and talk more about how HR experiences tensions that aren't felt by other roles and departments.

      Connect with Lindsey at https://www.linkedin.com/in/lindseycaplan/ or https://www.gatheringeffect.com/

      25 min
    • Workday wellness check, supercommutes, and Dell's last minute RTO

      Is the supercommute making a comeback? In this week’s episode, Cassidy Edwards joins as we dive into the story of a man who *loves* his 7-hour daily trek. We also unpack the chaos caused by Dell's sudden return-to-office (RTO) mandate, and explore why HR needs to rethink how they roll out major changes, because lives don’t flip with the stroke of an RTO mandate. Last, we chat about how Workday's disastrous decision to send police to a hospitalized Black employee's home for a wellness check made headlines. 

      Connect with Cassidy or subscribe to Yo! You're on Mute on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cassidy-edwards-yyom/

      Find the articles we discussed here:
      Black Worker Sues US Company After They Sent Police To His Home For A 'Wellness Check' During His Medical Leave
      I supercommute over 7 hours for work. I won't move out of NYC, and the journey is productive and relaxing
      Dell staffers scramble to find childcare after 5-days-a-week office mandate gives just a few days’ notice: report

      35 min
    • Parental leave and the case of stolen valor

      This week Kim Rohrer and Cassandra Babilya are back to discuss parental leave and policies and practices that support parents. We start off by discussing a lawsuit where a former employee of a law firm alleges that the company’s leave policy violates civil rights law because it offers an additional eight weeks of paid disability leave only to birth mothers.

      Find the article we discussed here
      Law firm Jones Day must face bias lawsuit over parental leave policy


      Follow Kim Rohrer

      • icaretoomuch.substack.com
      • patchworkportfolio.com
      • peakhrlearning.com
      • Follow Cassandra Babilya

        • cassandrababilya.com
        • You Got This journal https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CPMJ5K5R
        • Make Work Suck Less newsletter https://pages.cassandrababilya.com/posts
        • 38 min
        • The HR Leadership exodus, flat hierarchies and the 25-year high of EEOC disability discrimination charges

          Are we on the verge of losing key HR leaders due to burnout and lack of strategic support? Tara Turk-Haynes, founder of Equity Activations, joins us to discuss the possible HR leadership exodus along with the EEOC’s 25-year high in disability discrimination charges and how flat hierarchies may be keeping women from applying. Plus, we explore what it all means for DEI programs as middle management roles vanish. Don’t miss it!

          And -> If you'd like to participate in Tara's survey about the experience of middle managers, please do so here: https://lnkd.in/gGjT8Zwm

          You can also connect with Tara on LinkedIn

          The articles we discuss can be found here:
          A leadership exodus looms as HR leaders consider leaving their jobs
          EEOC Sues Three Employers for Disability Discrimination
          Research: Flat Hierarchies Can Discourage Women Applicants

          24 min

        About Toot or Boot

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        Toot or Boot brings you unfiltered conversations about work — straight from HR insiders who aren’t afraid to tell the truth. With a rotating crew of progressive HR leaders, we break down the latest news and trends to show what’s really happening and why it matters for your job. Whether you’re in HR or just trying to survive your 9-to-5, expect real talk, practical advice, and the occasional laugh to get you through the chaos of modern work.