Today's episode is going to be different. 

Instead of me interviewing someone, I'll be getting interviewed by Stop The Vanilla's marketing manager, Jordan Ogren.

In this episode, he asks me:

• What was leadership like for me early on?
• What does leadership look like now for me?
• What were the inciting events that made me see leadership in a different light?
• How can someone implement Total Person Development into their organization? 

I hope you enjoy it!