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Marvel has been pretty hit and miss of late, It’s TV has been great but some of the films have felt a little under-cooked. We have had a new Captain America film which some thought flew too close to the sun so now it’s time for the B-team lineup to take centre stage. Will this NEW film AVENGE the sacred timeline? Will it be a bolt of exciting lightning or more of a belated and low energy roll of thunder? Or…will it change it’s title 4 days after release confusing the hell out of everyone?!
All 4 of our team of loveable misfits are on board for this show and we each had a fair bit to say about Thunderbolts* especially that damn asterisk!
Ensnared in a death trap, an unconventional team of antiheroes — Yelena Belova, Bucky Barnes, Red Guardian, Ghost, Taskmaster and John Walker — embarks on a dangerous mission that forces them to confront the darkest corners of their pasts.
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Transcript
Speaker 1
Lena. Being the hero. There is no higher calling. Your sister understood something about that. I should have come back for you. No.
Speaker 2
That’s just a fairy tale.
Speaker 3
I was in high school when The Avengers came. Kind of strange that it’s all over now. No one’s coming to save. The day.
Speaker 4
I think we. Are we can be the ones that are coming?
Speaker 2
But you have the wrong people. We have all done bad things.
Speaker 4
Look, I’ve been where you are. The past doesn’t go away, so you can either live with it forever. Or you can do something about it.
Speaker 1
I am a void. Look what you are unleashed. You can’t outrun the emptiness.
Speaker 2
We can’t do. This. No one here is a hero.
Speaker
We all have things that we regret.
Speaker 5
But I have so many.
Speaker 1
When I look at you. I don’t see your mistakes. That’s probably need each other.
Speaker 2
We can’t stop him alone. No one can. But we can find a way. Together.
Speaker
Marvel Studios thunderballs.
Speaker 1
Under pressure.
Dion
Ohh hello and welcome to the periodic Table of Wars AM. I haven’t done that because. Kept talking over it and now I’m. Finally, gonna go to the live. There you go. Now you can see my lovely.
Quinny
Ohh.
Dion
Sorry here our dulcet voices as we welcome you to the latest in the 497 thousandth Marvel release. Thunderbolts. Asterisks.
Quinny
No.
Dion
Asterisk, asterisk, Asterix, oblix.
Quinny
As to Ricks is a different thing that came out on Netflix this week and it’s quite entertaining. But anyway, we’ll come.
Dion
Back to that later. Well, that’s not a yes. Going against the grain, it isn’t actually. And they film we’re doing in this this month, but we are doing a film that. She’s here anyway. We’re doing thunderballs, and then we’ll do anime for the rest. Of it. How’s? That sound? Yeah. How are you, Peter. Jill. Quinny. Are you good?
Jill
Yes, I’m well.
Peta
Living.
Dion
Living great. I mean this is.
Quinny
I I what are you living for, Pete? That’s my question.
Peta
Ah, look, that’s that’s a great question. If I knew the answer to that, I’d be. Having a better? Time. Ohh no.
Dion
OK, so like I just wanna say real low vibe. But that’s kind. Of on that’s kind of on brand for this. Movie.
Peta
Hey, you know what I’ve just realised that we have a genuine problem.
Quinny
Ohh.
Dion
Oh, really? What? What is?
Peta
Next Tuesday at 8:00 PM, we shouldn’t be watching Twitch. We should be watching ABC.
Dion
That. Genuine problems.
Quinny
Ohh no.
Jill
Why? What’s on?
Dion
Porquet.
Peta
Little little show, little show called Kimberly.
Dion
Oh my God.
Peta
It’s the reason for my vowing exhaustion.
Dion
Is that ohh is. This some sort of deep dive into Kim Kardashian.
Peta
That’s exactly what it is that like? Nailed it.
Speaker
Yeah.
Dion
Yeah, but it’s the order to sell to Australian audience. Had to call it Kimberly.
Quinny
Because that’s that is her true name. Only in Australia do you believe.
Dion
Kardashian. Yeah. Yeah. No. What? I look forward to is, like, about 8:00 as we just switched to a live feed of the ABC and then Pete can just, you know, we’ll just review it in front of Pete cause.
Quinny
That’ll be reviewing. We’ll, we’ll do it. We’ll do live.
Peta
Reactions do I do produce this commentary over the top of?
Quinny
Hell yeah, hell yeah.
Jill
Should be periodic table of Gogglebox.
Peta
It will start with. This is the scene. That ruined my life. I hope you enjoy it.
Dion
Yeah, we went back and forth on this scene for seven years. And or what felt like 7 years. Yeah. Alright. Hello and hello to everyone in the chat. Sorry, I forgot to. Say hello to everyone in the chat.
Quinny
Yeah. Hi, Chad. And there’s there’s some some. There’s a new name in there. We haven’t seen Bob Franklin for quite.
Dion
It’s it’s.
Quinny
Some time, yeah, yeah.
Dion
It’s going to be may. No, here we go. Another Bob. I’m no. I’m quite sceptical about Bobby. After watching Thunderbolts Asterix. Yeah, OK. So I’ve lost my train. Thought keep going. No, someone figured out. What are we doing?
Quinny
Going well, OK. So what with 36? I think with 36 or 37 movies deep now.
Jill
Lord good.
Quinny
And and and multiple TV series and animated series and not many tie in video games. Actually. So how we all doing on our marvel how we feeling?
Jill
A bit so. So after end game. To be honest, I did really enjoy the marvels even though that got panned. What else did I enjoy? I feel like there was.
Quinny
Yeah.
Speaker
Right.
Jill
Another one in. There that I liked. Can’t remember.
Dion
The marvels.
Jill
Just ******* said that.
Quinny
Jesus, Shanxi.
Dion
I know. Shang Shang chi. No. Didn’t enjoy Shang chi.
Jill
That was before end game.
Quinny
That wasn’t Nope.
Dion
Yeah. See, well, welcome to the overload. Now everyone’s like, I don’t know when that was released, it all sort.
Quinny
Nope.
Jill
It’s right.
Quinny
Of blurs into one. I mean we since then we have had Shanghai, we’ve had Black Widow, we’ve had Thor love and Thunder quantum Mania, Black Panther kind of forever. There’s been a Spiderman far from home. That’s. All post end game.
Jill
Yeah, that one was good. I liked the Doctor Strange one.
Quinny
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah.
Dion
Deadpool and Wolverine.
Quinny
Yeah, yeah.
Jill
Yeah, it’s adjacent, but sure.
Dion
Yeah, and what about?
Jill
Yeah, but it’s like in the publicity this was. Really getting touted as the best film since end. Game and I was like. Well, that’s a strong call.
Quinny
It’s it’s a. It is a big. Call, isn’t it?
Jill
I made about 50% of. The stuff that came out after end game. Was terrible, but there was some good stuff in there.
Quinny
So OK to to to be clear, we got Spiderman far from home, which came out after end game. Then Black Widow Shang Chi eternals.
Jill
Bing Bing.
Speaker
Booze.
Quinny
Spiderman. No way home. Ding. Doctor Strange. Multiverse of Madness, love and Thunder, Thor.
Jill
Bing.
Peta
Boo.
Quinny
Well, kinda forever.
Speaker
Boo.
Quinny
Man, what’s quantum mania? Guardians of the Galaxy 3.
Dion
Boo. I’m officially petitioning to have our rating system changed to Jills Ding Boo or Air. Ding Ding Boo.
Jill
Ohh Brave New world Boo.
Quinny
I was going to say Deadpool and Wolverine and and then brave New World and that brings us to Thunderbolts and how quick you want to read it. Ding asterisk.
Dion
Asterix I Ding it.
Speaker
Ah.
Jill
Ding Ding no more out of 100. The dinger book.
Dion
Give it. Date.
Quinny
Yeah, yeah. I mean, for, for, for 10 years, we read a podcast where our rating system was cool.
Dion
We gave it, we gave it a dig.
Quinny
Or shy, or men.
Jill
I’m shot.
Quinny
And and if we. Didn’t know what the **** it was. It was a. Bucket of soap. So there you.
Dion
Go God, that’s that’s.
Jill
Go back to what works.
Dion
That’s old. That’s old ratings that I can’t do that I think. Isn’t that still under, like, copy? Isn’t that under copyright, though? All those ratings.
Quinny
It’s it’s, it’s still embargoed.
Dion
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Quinny
Yes, 100% OK. So there we go. That’s what we’ve done since then plus Wanda vision.
Jill
Not going to even get into the TV.
Quinny
Though we kind of have to a little bit because there’s at least one character that is TV only from this.
Dion
It’s true. Ohh yeah, yeah, there we go. Finally comes out. You’re like, yeah. **** because.
Quinny
Hmm. So you kind of like 2-2 fully understand this movie. You have to have seen to like to get all of the characters you have. Yep. Ant-Man to Black Widow.
Jill
Ant-Man 2. Black Widow.
Dion
Yep.
Jill
Falcon and The Winter Soldier TV series.
Dion
Quinny
And.
Dion
Where did? Where did red guardian?
Jill
That was in Black Widow.
Speaker
Black sweetheart.
Dion
Yeah.
Quinny
And then to kind of work out where we’re at with Elena. Yeah, Black Widow. But then.
Peta
The world.
Dion
And Val. Who was introducing the TV, wasn’t she?
Peta
I thought it was end of end of Black Widow.
Jill
Yeah, yeah. Although she was in something else before that.
Quinny
She’s.
Dion
Umm oh, yeah. Also Hawkeye. Yeah, it’s a good one. Yep. Yeah. Hawkeye cause Yelena was in Hawkeye.
Quinny
What? That’s right. Yeah, but that wasn’t like I was thinking, like if you hadn’t seen, like, if you’ve seen Black Widow, you’ve you’ve you’ve at least met Yelena.
Dion
I mean just. Look at how how we’re struggling here.
Jill
We first see. Val in Falcon in The Winter Soldier was she?
Quinny
In that she showed up right at the end to give Walker a job.
Jill
Yeah.
Quinny
But I’m not entirely sure where that.
Jill
I think that was no. That was the first time we.
Quinny
Happens.
Jill
Saw her.
Quinny
Right.
Jill
Yes.
Peta
And then Falcon and The Winter Soldier. The movie does situate you in a. Time and place for this film.
Quinny
Yes. Yeah. Look, you know, if it had been Falcon in The Winter Soldier, the movie, I probably would have enjoyed brave new world more as it was, it was incredible. Hulk 2 without the Incredible Hulk, it was a very strange.
Speaker
Yeah.
Quinny
Choice. Anyway, there we go. We’re now all all caught up, caught up on the **** that you have to have watched before you get to watch this. And it’s not true. I don’t think you do have.
Jill
Now you’re.
Peta
To have watched all of it? No, you really don’t.
Jill
There’s plenty of concepts.
Peta
You know what it is? A classic freaking hero’s journey. So you can come in with 0 context and it’s still. Enjoy the narrative arc because it is a very classic. Is a very classically structured narrative and character arc, and that is not a criticism.
Jill
No, Pete, you said to me at the end you were like I. Liked Avengers one? Yeah.
Speaker 5
Again.
Peta
Yeah, I saw Avengers 1 multiple times at the cinemas like I’m. I’m happy to see something in that classic team base. You know, Hero’s journey structure, life, freaking love that structure.
Quinny
Yeah. I mean, there’s a reason that we’ve been doing it for so long because it kind of works. Yeah. And this one really was leaning in hard on a lot of the those heroes journey, you know, tropes like.
Peta
Particularly as it pertains to the mismatched team. Yes, which is fun.
Quinny
Yeah. Hmm. Yeah, absolutely it’s.
Peta
Just in the background, just looking grumpy.
Speaker
I’m not, I’m.
Dion
Not against it is because one of the things I had very low expectations going in and watching the Thunderbolts and I was like, I don’t. I don’t really remember from the comics. I kind of missed the whole thing. I know there’s like a classic Baron Zemo led Thunderbolts. There’s a whole bunch of stuff around it. I totally missed the. Entry character in the comics missed all of that, but this one was just kind of fun because it was dry and dark and kind of knew what it was shooting for and did not do the same thing as I was a bit afraid that was going to not copy, but more mirror Suicide Squad and I felt like it.
Quinny
Yes.
Jill
We were waiting for a sky beam.
Dion
Yeah. Where was the second sky made? When was the?
Quinny
Big we were all waiting for Sky thing.
Dion
You didn’t really do that.
Jill
We got anti Skype aim actually, yeah.
Quinny
And I found it. I found it as.
Jill
Yeah, we got sky darkness.
Dion
Kind of a. Kind of a nuanced.
Quinny
Ground darkness.
Jill
That’s that’s the opposite of.
Quinny
Skyping. Yeah. And it literally was ground darkness, not sky. Being kind of amazing, kind of.
Dion
Nuanced and interesting and a bit kind of sympathetic towards things that aren’t very heroic. Like I really like the fact that they played very heavily into this, that none of these people are heroic. In fact, they’re all pretty ******* terrible. But and I mean, not even not only terrible in the choices that they made, but also how they how effective they are, even all the. Way through during this. Movie. It’s like these guys aren’t great. But they’re the best we’ve got.
Speaker
Yeah.
Quinny
Yeah, they’re not. They’re not heroes. They’re just here.
Dion
And the rest and the and then the rest.
Speaker 1
Oh yeah.
Dion
Is just marketing. Which I kind of feel like, wow, the metaphor of this is this just strong in the Marvel universes it’s like.
Quinny
Yes.
Dion
We don’t have anyone else and the rest is marketing.
Speaker
Excellent.
Quinny
I I must admit, when it when it started, I did have a moment where, like the the I think one of the first things you hear is them talking about impeachment. And I kept I was like that was. A choice too. I mean, admittedly, the last thing we saw was a giant red slash orange president of the United States destroying America. So I mean, starting with impeachment. Be a good ******* start. That’s not a political.
Dion
State is that a metaphor too? Maybe. This just metaphors.
Quinny
Let’s go with it. Why not? Do you want a synopsis? Do you want to know what this is?
Dion
About Ohh wait, before a synopsis the the the query you have to ask the chat is what accent is. When you gonna attempt and I banning one no no red guardian.
Speaker
Quinny
Ohh.
Dion
You can’t do red guard. It’s too easy. You’ve done it before.
Quinny
Ohh.
Peta
Ohh the disappointment.
Dion
Ohh no.
Jill
How about ********* white Russell?
Quinny
Yeah, well, you know, I was, yeah.
Jill
Tell us about how you were on so many football teams.
Quinny
Yeah. Yeah, I will. OK. Junior varsity. Everything. Right. OK, I’ve got this. Out of my head that it’s just going alright. Alright, alright, that’s good.
Dion
Now just think think more nepo baby, could you?
Quinny
All right. Yeah. OK. I’ve never had to work for anything in my life. Everything has just come to me. I’m junior varsity football captain. And is there music playing yet? I don’t feel like they should be music. Right. OK.
Dion
Yes, there’s music.
Quinny
Ensnared in a death trap and unconventional team of Eddie Heroes and me, the greatest hero that has ever been, that that the other is being Yelena Belova. Bucky Barnes. Bucky. Yeah. Some guy called Red Guardian, ghost, taskmaster and and yours truly. Yeah. The best damn Captain America. OK, OK, maybe not the best. Damn. But I was. I was a good stop. ******* looking at me like that. Anyway, we all embark on a dangerous mission that forces us to to confront the darkest corners of our past. And there’s a guy called Bob. That’s it.
Dion
Well, that was done. Yeah. Excellent. Thanks.
Quinny
Yeah. Thank you. Thanks. Well.
Jill
Excellent synopsis.
Dion
Done. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Quinny
Yes. Congratulations. You have. Yeah, you have. You have.
Dion
Finished. Don’t worry, honey. We’re all here with you. We’re not going to abandon.
Quinny
You. Thank you. Thank you. Cause I really need all of the. Support that I can get. Yeah, yeah.
Dion
Yeah.
Speaker 1
Oh.
Quinny
Dion
Yeah. And, you know, isn’t the real treasure the friends we made along the. Way yeah, exactly. But in a good way this time like.
Peta
Yeah.
Quinny
Yeah. No, like, I mean, that is literally the the kind of thing that they’re. Going for but.
Dion
Yeah.
Quinny
It doesn’t feel that cheesy. No, and that’s impressive.
Dion
And also I found this like Thunderbolt a lot funnier than I thought it would be because we all know that sometimes there’s great jokes and they do stuff like that, but they didn’t really put any of that in the trail.
Speaker
Hmm.
Jill
It was all very acerbic. Kind of humour. Yeah, very situational and dark and dry.
Quinny
Hmm.
Dion
Yeah.
Quinny
And character driven. That’s that’s the thing I really liked about it is that, you know, this is this is the humour of characters who are taking potshots at each other based on what we as an audience know about them as well.
Jill
That’s true.
Quinny
Yeah, you know, it’s like the the whole thing with the, the the helmet. So do you like the helmet? Do you like the helmet? Do you do you? Do you like the hat? What’s wrong with the?
Jill
Oh, the hat, do you? Like your hat. What about your?
Quinny
Hat do you like that do. You like the hat? Yeah.
Jill
But you need a helmet.
Quinny
The yeah, like the IT was dry. It was a little biting. But also, you know, there’s pretty broad humor in there too. As soon as Alexei shows.
Peta
Like it’s it’s funny that they kind of nailed the kind of humour that you get from deeply traumatized people, basically because it’s a very special kind of humour.
Speaker 2
Hmm.
Peta
Often the funniest really. If you know any deeply traumatised people, use humor to get through the day like they did, like a little bit God, and they all that tone. Because in a way, this is all about acknowledging that these flawed characters. Are deeply troubled. Yeah. You know, there’s there was felt like a real consistency to the way that was treated. Yes, there were funny moments, but none of the funny moments felt inconsistent to the characters and where they were at and the tone of what we were doing, which was.
Quinny
Hmm.
Peta
Kind of nice.
Speaker
Hmm.
Quinny
Because, yeah, like occasionally the Marvel Universe has kind of skewed a little towards humour. Which has maybe undercut some things like especially in movies like Thor, Love and Thunder and Stuff. It’s like, OK, we’ve, we’ve we’ve missed the balance entirely. And we’re going for gags as opposed to character. And and this one I think really does hit that, that sweet spot of. Yeah, you’re laughing, but you’re laughing with them and you’re not. And if you are laughing at them, they’re also kind of going, you know, it it. Yeah, it really worked.
Speaker
Hmm.
Peta
The the gags are driven by the character, not despite the character Umm, and that’s why they work. And I I think you know the. Characters that have been brought together and you’ve got to remember that I’m really unfamiliar with most of these characters outside of the the cinematic universe. I’m not familiar with anyone from any of the comics or any back story or or anything like that. So like my connection with these characters is purely based on. Having seen the aforementioned properties and hopefully remembering some of the details from the many, many, many things, so that’s like, that’s an interesting moment to me because I’m sure that you guys have a lot more context on on the history of some of these things than than I do.
Quinny
Mm-hmm.
Peta
But for. And and I’ve seen, you know, like Suicide Squad. Well, not the original 1, but, you know, I I listen to your recommendations. So I I think that I had an expectation going in as well about how this kind of like antihero team up would be treated and.
Speaker
Good.
Peta
Like I think that I was kind of like pleasantly surprised to find myself on more of. A character driven. In journey than I expected that was more about the individual characters than it was about how the interaction of you know the IT it wasn’t. It wasn’t just about. Mismatched people, and not every plot point was coming from. Them. Or being mismatched and different and funked up in a different way it it felt like what was driving the story was a little bit deeper than that. And I think that’s maybe what? Not me. Kind of a bit hooked in at the start.
Jill
Yeah, I want to branch off that Suicide Squad thing because that was my apprehension in going into this film is that I thought a lot of the trailers were painting it out to be a spin off like a a copy of Suicide Squad. And I wasn’t particularly a fan. Well, I definitely was not a fan of the first one, the second one.
Quinny
Yeah.
Jill
Kind of grew on me. But I feel like the problem with Suicide Squad was all of those characters.
Peta
Thought they were.
Jill
Not **** and acted that way. They were full of bravado. They had no time for anybody else and they. Yeah.
Peta
They all thought.
Jill
That they were the best person in that team and therefore we’re just, they’re doing their own thing and that kind of mismatch disjointed team doesn’t work, whereas this team. They’re all self deprecating. They all think they’re the worst person on the planet and not fit for the job. Yeah, except for John Walker. But he’s different stories.
Peta
They’re deeply burned out. Well, no. He has his own. He’s, he’s. He’s got a facade, but he’s a different jellyfish.
Jill
He’s a different kettle of fish. Exactly. Exactly. But these guys all kind of work.
Quinny
I gotta say it.
Jill
A bit better because. They were kind of all on the. Same playing field.
Quinny
I was just going to say I I agree that they are on the same playing field and I really liked the fact that a character as as like fundamentally dislikeable as Walker who you know has, you know, you spent an 8 episode TV series.
Jill
Ohh I despised him.
Quinny
Yeah.
Jill
Even going into this, I’m like, God, I ******* hate him. But by the end.
Dion
You still hate him, but you understand him.
Quinny
Yeah.
Jill
Change my mind.
Quinny
Honestly, I I’ve said it to somebody. I said that there is one look in the film that he gives you, Lena, that you just go. Oh, OK, right. There’s and and it’s a. It’s a moment of, I guess vulnerability but it’s. It’s just enough and that that to me says a lot about the quality of the film, that he doesn’t have to, you know, do a gigantic self sacrificing thing or anything like that, for to, for us to be. Won over by him.
Speaker 1
Hmm.
Quinny
The the the film has the the confidence in itself to just say, OK, he just has to look and acknowledge the fact that he’s a ******. And that’s enough growth for us to go. OK, maybe. He is redeemable. Yeah.
Dion
The.
Jill
Now, I don’t hate him.
Peta
Ones a really nice moment because it wasn’t over explained, and I think that’s the other thing that this somehow managed to avoid that horrendous overexplaining that we get in franchises where everything that you know you have to like.
Jill
Hate him. I just love to hate him.
Peta
No, explicitly through dialogue. I think you know somehow we’ve we’ve kind of managed to avoid that trap as well. And there was a little bit of trust in the audience to catch that look and not have it overtly explained, which again was kind of. Yes.
Quinny
Yeah.
Peta
Little unusual these days.
Quinny
Yeah, yeah, I I was surprised at the level of of confidence in the film to just go. Oh, no, my our audience is smart. Enough. We don’t have to beat people over the head with it. Yeah, I mean early on. And there’s there’s a couple of bits of exposition that I was like ******* hell, right, you know where it’s like you’re this. You’re you’re just an assassin who could do this. Oh, yeah? Well, you’re just a dinosaur, Captain America. Ohh, well, you’re just this.
Jill
I mean yes, that’s that’s that’s for the newbies that.
Peta
Exactly you need to, but at least that is exposition within.
Jill
Within a dialogue, it’s not, it’s not paragraph, yeah.
Peta
You know within within. Some kind of rather than just. Yeah, yeah. If you can get the exposition out within conflict, that is so much less annoying than literally just facing the camera and like being like, oh, we found this video.
Dion
Yeah. Wasn’t a voice over. Going this guys, who this person who?
Speaker
Hmm.
Quinny
Yeah.
Peta
Infomercial.
Dion
Here’s the computer with all the information on it.
Quinny
Ohh.
Speaker
Yeah.
Peta
Wow. Ohh. He, he, he he’s he’s a he’s a segment from a television programmer. We’re interviewing somebody and we’re just gonna do a supercut of archive. This will. Be. Oh, God, yeah. Like you will like your type.
Dion
Well, let’s play it during the let’s play it during the. Yes.
Quinny
What was?
Dion
That day, let’s play it during the credits. Yeah, we’re we’re watching the credits. We can understand how they all got. Here.
Jill
Yeah. Yes.
Quinny
Yeah, like it’s it. When you when you are dealing with a 36 movie back story and you know multiple TV shows and stuff. Yeah, it’s a slog to try and work out. How do you? How do you? Give enough back story and I thought they managed it surprisingly well. I mean this is I guess if you were going to say it’s anything, it feels like a bit of a soft sequel to Black Widow. In that it’s really about. The trauma and yeah, it’s it’s yelena’s story and the the relationship with her. And Alexi is is very important to it.
Peta
Remaining based.
Quinny
But I mean, yeah, I think it’s it’s, it’s big enough to be its own thing. It’s not Black Widow 2, it is Thunderbolt and you know, was it the West Westborough Valley Thunderbolts?
Speaker
Idea.
Quinny
As sponsored by she’s. Electrical.
Peta
No, it’s a tyres. It was a tyre.
Quinny
Store, wasn’t it? No, no, no. It could not have been Shane. Shane had no money. I mean, I have actually watched the film twice. I went back. Yeah. Yeah. I went back to watch it cause I wanted to go with my partner and she she enjoys the Marvel movies and I got to say, I actually got a much bigger emotional hit out of it second time around because I because I knew where we were going.
Jill
All good. Really.
Quinny
And stuff and you know. Sort of. Waiting for something that isn’t gonna come up. Like if you cause because it’s a Marvel film, but you kind of are waiting for the giant. CGI battle at the. End. Sure. You know, yeah. You’re waiting for sky beam. You’re waiting for huge battle sequence where everybody does special power. Knowing that this was a different kind of film, I was able to engage much more with the emotional language of it. Yeah, and find there was so many more points in there where I was like, yeah, that’s funny. But ****, that’s actually quite heartbreaking.
Speaker
Hmm. Yeah.
Quinny
You know where characters are saying how ****** they are. And yeah, it’s it. I was really impressed with that. And and seeing the the social reaction to it, which has been, yeah, fun film, really enjoyed it. But so many more people going was not expecting this.
Peta
No, and I think in.
Quinny
It’s expecting to have an emotional thing.
Peta
A way. You know, breathe new. Well, really tried valiantly to say something and what it was trying to say was super, super, super valid, but I just kind of think that it it missed. It overshot the mark there. And I think in contrast, this film was really trying to say something and. Hit the bullseye. In what it was trying to say and and how it was saying it, and like in in you know kind of like a surprising like ohh that’s what we’re saying, OK didn’t expect that from this film, but. Cool, cool message.
Jill
Yeah. I mean, I think a lot of this.
Peta
Without, you know, without being being spoilery because like a lot of how that emotion hits does belong in spoilers, but yeah.
Jill
Sure. But I feel like a lot of us in recent years have gone through dark moments. Like we all. Experienced lockdowns and being separated from people. There’s also like. You know the existential crisis that’s kind of dissolving in. America right now and.
Quinny
Yeah.
Jill
There’s, there’s a lot of heavy **** going on and I feel like this is kind of a movie. For the pie. Period where we can all just kind of acknowledge that, hey, we might not all be coping, but you know, if you have people around you, there’s a support network, you just need to reach out and find those people.
Quinny
Umm, so I said to Dean yesterday when I came into work I was like Ah Dion. What fresh hell is it today? Or is it just yesterday’s hell? Just warmed up again?
Dion
And Arizona, where who you get out of my workplace. You don’t work here. Anyway, yeah, I found I well, I found that it was interest.
Quinny
But yeah, yeah.
Dion
And to discover that the director, Jake Trier, one of the reasons that I feel it comes across better as a more in tune and thoughtful piece, especially when it comes to emotional stuff, is because of the work that he’s done, which was, you remember robot and Frank, which was a great. Like buddy film from ages ago that he was on that, but he also Jake Trier also worked on beef. Did anyone see beef on Netflix? So that’s a really good, you know, kind of interpersonal or how to how?
Speaker 1
Sorry.
Peta
Yeah. Yeah, that’s.
Jill
God’s emotional conflict, yeah.
Dion
To work. About exactly. And also he directed the you have a lot to learn. Pirates episode of Skeleton crew. Yeah. So remember all of that kind of stuff. That was a bit of a scarier episode of.
Peta
Yeah.
Dion
But yeah, like it was a nice take on the traditional Marvel beat em up sort of thing. While there is enough, I think action in there to satisfy you, enough of people who want that is a lot more to do with. Interpersonal relationships and the notion of depression and yeah, isolation and how that feels and how to overcome it or not even overcome it. But how to deal with it? I think that’s the greatest thing about. This no one in this film overcomes it.
Jill
Ohh no one was magically healed at the.
Dion
Yeah. No, I absolutely love that. Like you, it introduces all of these broken characters and it goes out of its way to explain that none of them are fixed. Yeah. You know, it’s like they’re all still broken, but they’re just, they’re they’re learning coping mechanisms and it’s.
Speaker
End I’m not for sure.
Peta
Most of. Like and, they’re broken together.
Dion
Yeah.
Quinny
Like at the start, I love how quickly Alexi is is able to to say, you know. Are you doing OK? Of course. I’m not doing OK, look. Around.
Speaker
What?
Peta
Do you mean? I would also say like for me, conceptually most terrifying Marvel villains since Kilgrave.
Speaker
Oh.
Peta
Yeah.
Dion
Conceptually. Right. Yeah, I look I. I quite enjoyed the the the way they presented it as well, because I kind of looked at it. Is like. That’s really a cool idea. It’s just nothing. And you can’t really know what it is, and you don’t really see it and it’s just there, but it’s absorbing everything around it. And I was like, interesting.
Speaker
Yeah.
Quinny
Yeah, like the the the black dog and but also the the visual language of it is so clear that it, like they said that they wanted the shadows to be like the shadows and Hiroshima, that was that was their intent and holy.
Jill
Oh.
Speaker
Wow.
Quinny
****. You know there? There’s a moment where it happens to a kid and you’re just like me running. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. And that’s.
Dion
It did it. It hit those beats well.
Quinny
Yeah, like the that design, but also so there’s a the the character that we haven’t really talked about a lot is Bob. So we’ve got all of the other characters. Oh yes, also.
Dion
So is it Bob, Bob?
Peta
Who spent the entire movie going? Where have I seen that?
Dion
I was just going to say you all thought when I was talking about the nepo baby that I was referring to. What’s his name?
Quinny
Walker. Yeah. Wyatt Russell.
Dion
John Walker. Wyatt Russell. No, no, I’m referring to Lewis Pullman, the son of Bill Pullman.
Peta
Bill Pullman, I was going mad being like I’ve seen him, but it was a long time ago and he’s too young to have been. I don’t understand why is my brain telling me.
Dion
Who? Who saved us all in Independence Day? No, and I’m and I’m so I’m so happy that Lewis Pullman is reprising his role from earlier on when he appeared in as Bob in top Top Gun.
Peta
Xbox.
Dion
Maverick.
Speaker
And.
Peta
I feel like he should only accept roles of Bob now.
Speaker 1
Yeah.
Dion
Yeah, he’s actually one of the things that’s.
Quinny
Is this road not Bob? Yeah, it’s.
Jill
That’s a ******* power move. You go your whole career only playing characters.
Speaker 1
Football.
Dion
It was actually one of the things that he said when he took the role of this is like, do I have to call like, is this character actually called Bob or can we is there any wiggle room on that cause? I literally just played a Bob who was associate who a socially awkward kind of nerdy.
Peta
Bob, yeah.
Dion
And now he’s playing another ball.
Jill
Boba verse good one product king.
Quinny
I we love the bubble mess. Interesting thing he wasn’t the original casting. No. Originally the film started production and it was Steven Yuen. Ohh, I know, right? Yeah. Interesting.
Dion
Oh, interesting.
Jill
Is that like too close to being invincible?
Quinny
That’s a. That’s a good point. Quite possibly, but he had to. There was a conflict and he went off to film. Mickey 17. Damn. So yeah, interesting. But I I think we got a really great performance there. Yeah, and.
Dion
It’s it’s it’s. It’s definitely a role that is and without spoiling it, you can’t really say what the role. Is. Too much. Without going into spoilers so.
Quinny
As in, as in the the. Where Bob ends up.
Dion
Or just who? Like just about Bob, like what about? Bob.
Quinny
What about Bob? It is difficult to talk about because like the character that he is was created for the comics and was created by a friend of ours.
Speaker 1
Yeah.
Quinny
Paul Jenkins who?
Dion
Jenna jenko.
Speaker
Quinny
He’s he’s a lovely guy and he he was the guy who was responsible for writing Wolverine origins and and and other stuff.
Dion
Not the not the movie, the comic.
Quinny
Book. Yeah. The comic. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, he I, I, I like Janko stuff because he’s always going. OK, what’s an interesting thing that. I could do with his superhero. And how do we make this? Not just another person in a suit. Let’s explore something deeper.
Speaker
On that.
Quinny
And and you know, quite often it’s like, let’s explore what other traumas there are.
Dion
So much trauma.
Quinny
Uh, and so much trauma. Bonding with so good at.
Dion
That, Speaking of trauma bonding, how did everyone react to Bucky seeing Bucky back on the big screen?
Jill
Again, Bucky, I’m so ******* happy, because if I can’t have my Steve Rogers, I need my Bucky.
Dion
Yeah, he’s looking pretty good.
Jill
I wish I had Bucky when I had. Depression like ****.
Quinny
Yes.
Dion
I did like that bit where he was washing his. Arm in the. Dishwasher yeah.
Jill
That was good.
Quinny
It’s a content technology, of course. It’s dishwasher safe.
Speaker
Yeah. Yes, of course.
Quinny
I I enjoyed him and he I like that he’s still playing that same Bucky character but. He’s he’s now got a whole different raft of challenges. Like you’re a senator now. Clearly he’s not very good at it.
Speaker
Slash.
Jill
No, I like that.
Dion
He’s more of a punchy person, not a debatty person. How do we feel about Julia Louis Dreyfus’s Val like as a as a character, as an evil kind of character manipulator? I’m not 100% sold.
Jill
Ohh OK I I mean I like her. I admire a woman that can pivot and you know, sometimes you just gotta multitask and.
Dion
I’m not. I’m not with you. She does. Yep.
Jill
I wish I had an assistant like. Mel Mel gets **** done too.
Dion
Yeah, but you always gotta watch Mel. Was not exactly. Like Mel gets **** done, but Mel isn’t trustworthy. That’s what I’m worried about.
Jill
Mel’s just. Looking out for. The people. She’s like, keeping keeping Val in check.
Dion
I mean like I I know that it’s the 36th Marvel film that we’ve got. But like if there is one message I’m taking away from the rest of the earlier films is don’t ******* trust the government. They are just full of weird ******* people. And no wonder you get end up with people like first it was Hydra was full.
Quinny
Hmm.
Dion
The government and then you know, you got like Thunderbolt Ross doing, you know, dangerous experiment to eventually becomes the president. And then they’re using ex Nazis for their science. Ohh wait. This is America.
Quinny
MHM.
Dion
I see I see the problem here.
Quinny
I quite liked Mel. Mel was a well written character. Interesting enough may actually be another superhero. Yeah, character called songbird. And now, now Jill’s on board.
Dion
Who knows?
Jill
Wow.
Quinny
Her name is Mel Gold.
Dion
Should we? Should we have a bit of a rating and go to a clip and then do spoilery things or do you want?
Quinny
To do it a different way around. Oh, I I think. I think right, let’s let’s not **** with the the thing. But OK, I definitely want to get to spoil the town.
Jill
Sure.
Dion
Because we’re just doing the 1:00 tonight.
Quinny
Cause there’s a lot to talk about. In there, OK.
Dion
I mean, I’m happy to start. I’m just gonna roll straight through this. Like it had a lot better than I thought it was. So out of the recent crop of it. I’m gonna give Thunderbolts 80 cause I recommend it.
Speaker
Hmm.
Dion
There you go. OK. No. Like it’s not perfect. It does have structural issues that I didn’t enjoy. Sorry. Pretty Kenga has rated it. Ding Ding out of 100. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So on this new official rating system, I’m giving it a gene.
Peta
Yeah.
Quinny
God dammit.
Jill
Giving it a Ding.
Dion
I’m Yep, I’m going to do that. Or should I give? It a good old whip crack. There you go.
Speaker
We.
Jill
Put him Ding.
Quinny
I want it to be Dingle. Whip crack.
Jill
Whip crack is a Ding.
Quinny
Yeah, I don’t, haven’t no.
Dion
Ding. I’ve got a nut.
Quinny
Punch we’re parding.
Jill
Hoopa.
Dion
I don’t. I have no Ding bone.
Quinny
OK, please if you do have a a number, please drop it. Good. There we go. People dropping their numbers in the chat.
Jill
Yeah, so many.
Dion
Yeah, yeah, yeah. How how strong predict anger is that Ding, you’ve gotta give it. A numerical figure. How much Ding? How much Ding?
Quinny
As opposed to? Yeah.
Peta
Is it * ****?
Speaker
Yeah. Is it a?
Jill
Ding or is it a Dong? Is it a? Ding Dong.
Quinny
Luck. Write this.
Dion
Ah, yeah, that’s right folks. We’re two weeks away from just reading things as *****. How big * **** was that?
Quinny
Weeks. We’re minutes.
Speaker
Quinny
Away.
Dion
It’s not that. As a little Ding and end up as. A full Dong.
Jill
I’m feeling like Ding is somewhere between like 70 to 90. And then a. Dong is like 90 to 100.
Speaker
Right.
Jill
It’s like a Ding Dong.
Quinny
Unless it’s like all the way to. 100 minutes.
Jill
Bang Perfect 100 Dang.
Quinny
Perfect. Dang. Yeah. OK, **** we have.
Jill
I like this new. System. I’m definitely in the Ding territory.
Speaker 4
Jill
Wish I wish. It was a Dong but. Gonna go. I’m gonna go 82.
Quinny
Speaker
Nice.
Jill
Yeah, it wasn’t the most. Phenomenal movie, but. I had a lot of fun. I enjoyed all the characters and I enjoyed liking more. Of the characters. Yeah, yeah. Having my mind changed about characters in the. It’s done a good job.
Quinny
And and that’s a pretty impressive thing to be able to do because like there is at least one character in there who changing your mind on on that guy, he’s an impressive ******* turn around.
Jill
I vehemently hated him, but now I just love to hate him because he’s still a bloody mimbo.
Quinny
Yeah. Yes, but now he’s our member.
Jill
Remember, yeah.
Quinny
Hey, do you have a numerical Ding Dong Dang or though?
Peta
My numerical Ding. But yeah, I I I enjoyed it and I don’t have a lot of like. Straight up complaining to do about it.
Dion
But why? Why?
Peta
Well, there weren’t that many, but. Wise as a thing or you know, they they skirted that edge of like. I am having too much fun to ask and I know that some things in these worlds are ridiculous and that you haven’t tried to over explain it to me and therefore I’m willing to. Let it slide. Like and, that’s the thing with about why? Like Budweiser get worse sometimes when you try to explain ****, I might just don’t explain it and we’re fine. So I didn’t. I didn’t get distracted by any Budweiser or anything like that. So I say 888888 nice round round figures visually pleasing.
Quinny
Nice.
Jill
Yeah.
Quinny
Yeah, the right curves get all the right, yeah.
Jill
Ding a Ling Ding a Ling.
Peta
And and I look I I. Enjoyed that, it said. What it said. I I feel like it really skirted that line of being on the nose. Without feeling like it was too on the nose. Hmm. Because it’s not like it. Like, it’s not like it’s a hidden message. It’s definitely an overt. Like message but it didn’t feel like you’re kind of like grown. Thanks for the message guys.
Jill
Yeah, it wasn’t a PSA kind of.
Peta
Situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And. And, you know, I like, I like that. I like that. That’s where it went. And I wasn’t expecting it to go there.
Jill
After school special.
Quinny
Yeah, I’m. I’m up with you there, Pete. I like first watch. I I really enjoyed life a lot. Had a good, good time with the character second, which I actually got more from it and, you know, saw a few bits and bobs here and there that I went, oh, OK, nice. But. Yeah, really engage with characters and. And. Realize that that it’s been quite a while that since I’ve been emotionally invested in the well-being of characters.
Speaker
Yeah.
Quinny
You know, that’s a really nice feeling. You know, I don’t necessarily. Need them to be flying all around the screen with laser blasts and stuff like that, but if you can show me a bit where my where the character that I’ve I’ve become, you know, really engage. With is in actual peril emotionally. Oh yeah. Thanks. I’ll. I’ll. I’ll take five more of those. Thanks. So, yeah, 89 from me. Actually. I really got a lot out of it and. I think it’s a surprisingly good film. 36 movies deep mate good hat.
Dion
You gotta you gotta find a little bit of the the gems after digging through so much ******* dirt.
Quinny
True, it’s.
Dion
True, it’s true. I mean, you know, but what are you after here? 36 is a long series of movies to come out about 1 ******* property.
Jill
Yeah, they can’t be all. Killer no.
Dion
Yeah, not not, not. Not every James Bond film is great.
Jill
Oh Roger Moore.
Dion
There’s one. But funny, but funnily enough. Funnily enough, every single fast and furious is just a masterpiece. Let’s go watch a bit about you later explaining why she’s having a lot of depressive episodes.
Speaker 2
No, there’s something wrong with me. And emptiness. I thought it started when my sister died, but. Now it feels like something bigger.
Speaker
Just the.
Speaker 2
Void. Or maybe I’m just bored. Boo. Assignment. This. Oh wait, hang on.
Speaker 1
Yeah.
Speaker 2
Assignment is complete.
Dion
The assignment is complete and we are more complete now. Ohh, hang on. I gotta put on. This little bit of spoilery little bit on those.
Quinny
Yeah, you better put some spoilery business there.
Dion
Moving around so that it fits around between people. There we go. Great.
Jill
I’m sure everybody knows this by now, but Florence Pugh did that stunt of jumping off the tallest building in Malaysia.
Speaker 2
Mm-hmm.
Jill
Not just her, but also her stunt women, and they all got into the Guinness World Records for. Doing.
Quinny
It ohh ****. I didn’t know they did the Guinness record. That’s amazing all.
Dion
The wire holding their Guinea pig. Amazing. I just don’t know. Holy ****. What is flirt Florence Pugh starting to take lessons from the Tom Cruise world of acting. Like I’ll just do that. I don’t know.
Quinny
Yes.
Jill
I really need to be with her. She’s like, I like heights and I wanted to do it so. Sure, there was a **** ton of paperwork and liability closure she had to. She had to sign, but yeah.
Speaker
Yeah.
Quinny
I watched some of the the like they did a little special on on that whole sequence and everything and like.
Speaker
Yeah.
Quinny
You look at. It and you’re like, **** me. That’s a long way up. And she just off she goes. And you’re like, hmm. **** as it was saying, just during the clip, she is just act well. You deal and said she’s acting rings around. People, but like she is so holding this movie.
Speaker
Hmm.
Quinny
Like she is very, very much the the the linchpin movie star. I heard another podcast saying that, you know, if you’re in IMAX, your face is 4, you know, four stories high.
Speaker
Hmm.
Quinny
You know you we see the micro expressions we see the micro emotions and she was. Yeah. Really, really impressive.
Jill
Yeah. I mean, I think so many people connected with her in the Black Widow film. So I think it was a smart move to put her in the lead for this one.
Quinny
It’s fine. I’ve loved her. Black Widow loved her more in Hawkeye. Just the the whole thing with her and. Kate Kate Bishop.
Jill
Yep.
Dion
Yeah. I mean, I think I think one of the things that’s interesting about Thunderbolts and the thing that I wasn’t expecting was that even though we’ve been introduced to that character, Elena, and she’s kind of the one that we’re following through Thunderbolts as a journey. And then you figure out it’s like she’s not really having too much of A hero’s journey. That you’re really invested in what she does because you can see how much she, how sad she is because even though all of this stuff has happened, she’s established this character now where I’m in this, she feels like the audience. I feel like her character is us, the audience who is like.
Speaker
Ohh yeah.
Dion
I’ve been watching these things now since I was a child and now I’m an adult. Or, you know, I had small kids who have grown all the way up now. So where, where do I sit? Is this something that I’m going to keep doing? Where? How do I find the joy in it again? And I really, I got that kind of metaphor of it going. I’m the audience. I’m Florence Pugh. I’m watching this going I’m bored with all this. I hate all of it. What’s the point of doing this anymore? And then by the? End of it I. Was like I can watch some more of this. I I get that now they’ve tried. They’ve made a point here. You know, collectively we’re Better Together and maybe these movies are going to be Better Together and then they just drop in the future of it and everyone was like.
Jill
Yeah.
Dion
OK, one more.
Quinny
Maybe two more, maybe 2, maybe 2, maybe.
Dion
More.
Peta
One or two more. Come on, yeah.
Dion
Three, maybe 3, maybe 5, I can do 5, I can do 5 Max 5 Max, you know?
Quinny
6 of twins.
Peta
But I think that’s also like that’s, you know, the fact that it felt to me structurally a lot like the First Avengers movie, is that kind of like, OK, I’m feeling like you, you’re kind of getting what you loved initially about the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but. Like refreshed a little bit and in in a way that kind of feels more appropriate to the world we’re living in at the. Moment.
Quinny
Hmm.
Peta
So if we can kind of, you know, stay with that kind of storytelling that kind of, you know, tried and true like super character LED not. You know, treat us like we’re not stupid as an audience kind of storytelling, then, you know, maybe there’s you. You kind of feel like a bit more, a bit of the trust returns, I suppose in the franchise, yeah.
Quinny
There’s life. Old girl, yes.
Peta
I I would, I’d say, did any of you guys feel a call back to the to the? Daredevil hallway fight scene.
Quinny
Oh yeah.
Peta
Yes, alright. Yeah.
Quinny
The bit of that and a little bit of the old boy, which is I think as much as anything, what Daredevil was, was kind of referencing, but you know, single shot flight scene from interesting. Cool with very impressive choreo like loved it.
Peta
Yeah, I super spoiler.
Quinny
Look, we’re in spoil the territory. So where where we’re at, yeah.
Peta
I don’t know if I’ve ever seen one of these big blocks blockbuster movies where the Big Bad is defeated by a group hug.
Dion
But refreshing. Do you know why? Cause it wasn’t a sky beam? Yes.
Quinny
It wasn’t somebody having to do some massive, you know, sacrifice and throwing themselves into a sky beam to suddenly stop the destruction of so.
Dion
Yeah. You know, I mean, they kind of did that. I mean, I really like the, the sacrifice just came a lot earlier in the piece before the resolution came, you know, with your Lena just kind of walking into the darkness that the encroaching darkness that was coming around. And I really like that idea of it. It’s it was not escapable, you know. And as we’re talking about it, it’s Bob who’s the sentry and also the void.
Speaker
Hmm.
Dion
You know, and the void is that evil character that is such a creeping void, and that is exactly what. That is, it’s depression, it’s depression, it’s dread. It’s it’s a, it’s an all-encompassing thing that stops you from being able to do anything else, cause you get sorely swallowed by it like it is literally a mental health better for and it did it really well because it just introduced it very slowly and very subtly. Like kind of like how depression.
Quinny
He’s.
Speaker
Hmm. MHM.
Dion
Works. It does not just burst through the door and goes rise. You know, it just kind of.
Quinny
It’s there and and goes hand in hand in a lot of cases with cause. I mean we we sort of look at void and say, OK, well there’s there’s your classic sort of depression. But in fact century Slash Bob is is very much bipolar that you know he’s all about being the golden.
Dion
I like how it was handled.
Quinny
God and feeling invincible and feeling omnipresent and omnipotent. Full and. Then. That has to come with some kind of other side and like it. Yeah. As you were saying, Pete, the the conceptual horror of that villain slash not a villain. Is pretty. You know, it hits pretty hard for a lot of people, I think. UM. Yeah, sorry I I am still down one of my favorite lines in the entire thing where Yelena says something. Oh, you know, just hanging out in shame rooms and. And then Bucky shows up and he’s like, how are you? I’m great.
Jill
Yeah, my past is fine, so I’m OK.
Quinny
That a line that everybody who seen the you know, the rest of the month is is just like ohh God, what has he been going through?
Jill
The winter salsa.
Dion
What’s everyone been doing? Just hanging out in our own personal Hells?
Peta
But it is kind of it’s nice to have Bucky back where he feels like he belongs because the the whole senator thing did not feel.
Speaker 2
Hmm.
Jill
Congress.
Peta
It didn’t track the congressman thing, just didn’t feel like it was tracking for that.
Jill
No, it’s weird. Well, when when? When your boyfriend abandons you? To go back to his ex-girlfriend like. What do you do with your? Life do you do? I guess so.
Quinny
What politics?
Dion
Yeah, but then you also know that he’s like, you know, not technically gone, cause he’s probably just retired somewhere, so, you know. He’s not technically dead, really, he.
Jill
He’s living on the moon, apparently, yeah, but he’s also a geriatric.
Quinny
Totally.
Dion
Well, I mean, this is the thing. the Super soldier serum should keep you alive and much longer. So he may be 100, but he can still do push-ups and stuff.
Jill
Did you forget? What happened at the end of the game?
Dion
Yeah, I know I can’t. Fine. No, no, I don’t think I will.
Jill
Anyway, just a bit where John took the syrup.
Quinny
Yeah, no, he’s at the middle of Falcon and The Winter Soldier. He takes the.
Dion
That was in.
Jill
I completely forgot that.
Quinny
Syrup. In fact, that’s part of the reason he does go a bit crazy and then kill the guy with the shield.
Speaker
wow
Dion
Yeah, it’s road rage. It’s road rage. Yeah.
Jill
Wow, too many ******* things.
Dion
I mean, yeah, the thing. That I actually quite liked about this is after the century, like ***** up his shield.
Speaker
The shield Taco and.
Dion
To shield Tucker. But then when they did that, like skip ahead bit for the post, post post credit secrets, it’s. Still not fixed.
Jill
It was not the only one strong enough to put it back, like even his super soldier juice, Bucky, super soldier juice couldn’t. Bend it out again.
Quinny
I guess so.
Jill
Super soldiers actually like Alexia and Bucky, and on and neither of them can straighten out of Vibranium shield.
Quinny
Yeah, there’s three super shift.
Dion
You you would have thought that you would have thought that someone in Wakanda could have just organized that considering that literally manufacture stuff out of, you know, couldn’t they just send him a new one?
Jill
You’ll attack her.
Peta
Yeah, well, like I. Feel like there might be, you know, some, like, internal politics happening in the world because these were kind of, you know, supporting The Avengers or is it the kind is?
Quinny
Well, yeah.
Jill
What if for the new events? What if the shield is not?
Quinny
The kind of supporting. Avengers.
Peta
Ohh what if?
Quinny
Vibranium. What if it’s?
Jill
It’s that. No. What if it’s adamantium?
Peta
Well then then.
Quinny
Ah.
Dion
Then there’s shitloads of it, and then we get Wolverine.
Peta
To turn up well, I was gonna say some. Somebody has to be able to do something without about him. Otherwise, how does it end up in Wolf? Or like, you know, the rules of the world? I don’t know.
Quinny
Uh.
Dion
They’re just. They just gotta wait till wait till Magneto shows up and he can just fix. That and look at.
Speaker
Him just. Yep.
Jill
Yeah.
Quinny
Yeah, I would watch that. There were, there were a lot of things in there that are very, very dark, but there’s lovely moments of light. The post credit sequences, though. My what a joy. I’m all down, and apparently they were actually shot and directed.
Speaker
Uh.
Quinny
By the Russo brothers.
Jill
Ohh OK.
Quinny
On the set. Of doomsday.
Jill
That makes sense. Makes sense.
Quinny
Yeah. So, yeah, they they were shot like less than two weeks ago, which is terrifying.
Dion
So now, now it’s just like. And no, no, that we’re in spoiler territory. And this isn’t actually a spoiler. This is just fan theory about the information that we got based on these post credit scene.
Jill
Mm-hmm.
Dion
Now the extra dimensional Fantastic Four. Maybe appears I don’t know. Does this how we get Doctor Doom in this universe as well does?
Speaker
Mm-hmm.
Jill
See, this is my theory as well. Now that we’ve established multiverses, I’m thinking Fantastic Four is shot in period in another dimension and I feel like whatever circumstances occur in that.
Dion
He come in.
Jill
Film at the end of it, something happens and they get shot into another dimension into this period and this is how we get the Fantastic Four and all of The Avengers in a movie.
Quinny
And the X-Men, because we’ve seen the the we’ve seen the chairs, yeah.
Jill
That doctor doom. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Quinny
I think there’s. Yeah. It’ll be interesting to see.
Dion
As long as Patrick Stewart doesn’t go anywhere, so everyone is just like.
Jill
Don’t jinx it, dude.
Speaker
I’m sure now.
Jill
Everything.
Quinny
Yes, so interesting thing and and my biggest like I’ve I’ve really enjoyed the film as we’ve talked about my biggest bugbear about this thing is not the film itself. It is what’s happened in the marketing since the films come out.
Jill
Oh my God. I know, right? Like, give people a chance to watch the ******* movie before you start changing all your branding.
Quinny
Literally, they gave it the opening.
Jill
Weekend. Ohh crap.
Quinny
The opening weekend and then on, I think the Monday, possibly the Sunday, I’m not sure they changed the branding.
Jill
Jesus.
Quinny
And now, apparently, most of the billboards are now going to be changing. But the like, what I’m worried about now, because I actually think it, as I said to somebody, it’s like it’s the best gag in the film. Yeah. Like, it is literally the tag at the end of the film. And then you’ve just gone, hey, we’ve been calling this movie Thunderbolt.
Jill
Yeah. You guys.
Speaker
Asterisk.
Quinny
Yeah. **** you. You don’t get the the joy of the last gag. We’re going to tell you, because now that the movie is now called New Avengers. So.
Peta
Yeah, that’s a surprising and weird move.
Jill
I just. It’s like when Lego releases.
Dion
No, I don’t.
Jill
Their sense before the ******* movie comes out. And spoils everything.
Quinny
Yeah, yeah, but this was clearly a planned thing to go. OK, we’re releasing this, you know, because it’s always been a Thunderbolt asterisk. The intent was always to do this. And you’re like,
Dion
Hey.
Speaker 1
Yeah, but I don’t.
Speaker 2
Jill
Know. Give it. Give it a couple of weeks.
Quinny
Yeah, yeah.
Dion
I mean, they’re just gonna get overshadowed as soon as a Fantastic Four show up. Anyway, yeah. Like, I mean, you know, in terms of superhero teams, the new Avengers is this kind of like great placeholder. Now give me the X-Men. Give me the fantastic give me. Give me the rest of it. I don’t need this ****.
Quinny
I and I do love it because the new Avengers in the comics were also kind of like really OK. You know who are the newer?
Jill
I just loved in the the end scene where Bucky comes in, he’s like Oh well, Sam’s like gonna sue us for the name because he’s starting his own Avengers. And apparently, you know, he’s got the rights. To it.
Dion
I love that. It’s great. Also got. The shield and that’s 90%. Of it.
Quinny
Yeah, I’ve got a few. Yours is a Taco.
Jill
So we’re going. To have The Avengers and the new. Then.
Dion
I mean, I I I really hope I really. I really hope they keep Val on that whole control slash marketing thing. And then finally we’re gonna get things like the West Coast Avengers, the Great Lakes Avengers. Ah, which is just.
Quinny
The new Avengers.
Jill
So create like.
Quinny
Something there. Thanks.
Dion
Ohh yeah, they they they exist. That’s a real team. That’s got squirrel girl. She leads the Great Lakes Avengers. Cute.
Quinny
Ohh that’s yeah, I would love to see she Hulk show up and turn up for one of The Avengers teams, but this is the thing we’ve. We’ve, you know.
Jill
Well, she’s a West Coast girlie.
Quinny
She is a West. Coast and I’m pretty sure, yeah.
Jill
Yeah, her Ant man.
Quinny
It would be fun to see West Coast Avengers, the new Avengers, the All New Coco Avengers.
Jill
Unless. Unless sand leads the young Avengers. What if he puts together?
Quinny
Well.
Jill
The young Avengers.
Quinny
Cause that we have certainly been building a a young Avengers type team and I thought that’s where they were going but this.
Speaker
Hmm.
Dion
Go deeper. Cuts. We get the new Warriors in.
Quinny
Like.
Speaker 1
Oh.
Quinny
Jesus and now Peter’s starting to glaze. So an interesting thing.
Peta
I’m just trying to live in the universe that I’m being given right now, guys.
Quinny
Interesting thing that I I was reading I didn’t know and I’m not sure like this is apparently canonical to the comics, whether it’s actually but Yelena in the comics is canonically asexual. And yeah, and I was. I could actually say. That like cause I was I was. Kind of glad of the fact that the relationship with her and Bob didn’t feel necessarily like a romantic thing at all. It felt like people who needed to.
Jill
Romeo.
Quinny
Help each other. But yeah, I was like, OK, that may be what it is in the comics, but also movie universe **** only know. You know, these are very different beasts.
Jill
Yeah.
Dion
Ohh look is there is there anything on the spoilery about this? I mean it was it was good. I mean, I like the fact that. The the film went in different directions. Than I expected when I walked in and I came out of it going actually, that was fine as long as I kept keep that self deprecating sense of humor. In the future, they will create a a point of difference.
Quinny
Oh.
Dion
In this Marvel Universe.
Quinny
Karina brings up a good point that is quite a big yeah. Sorry I didn’t mean to step on your point. You’re.
Speaker
Ohh.
Quinny
Right.
Dion
I got it.
Quinny
The yeah. So let’s pour one out for taskmaster.
Jill
Yeah, that’s kind of disappointing.
Quinny
Hmm. Yeah, less than 5 minutes on screen.
Dion
Yeah. I mean.
Jill
Yeah, strange choice.
Speaker 1
Hmm.
Jill
Did they think? Ohh we’ve got too many women. We’d better kill one.
Quinny
I I did say to somebody why I think they like, because they also said if you’d taken ghost out of the film, nothing would have changed. It wouldn’t have affected the film at all. And I was like, yes, but you actually have to have characters for it. No. Like, yeah, you, you you have to have a team.
Jill
He’s like the new Avengers can’t. Be 3 people.
Quinny
Yeah, they have. They have to have a team. They have to have a dynamic, but also taskmaster I think needed to be there from a story structure perspective to say, OK, people can die. Hmm. It then gives you the question mark of. Will one of these other ones die? Is there a possibility? I mean, probably not. Yeah.
Peta
I had no memory of Taskmaster or ghosts from the previous films, so I was just like, oh, I did. I just didn’t remember that character. So I was just kind of like, I feel like I’m supposed to care about this person, and I’m pretty sure I’d know them from somewhere, but Oh well.
Speaker 1
Hmm.
Speaker
Watch Black Widow.
Jill
Oh.
Speaker
Jill
We weren’t even given a. Chance to care about her to. Be honest. Like we didn’t get a. Chance to care about her in Black Widow.
Quinny
Hmm. Yeah, make.
Jill
Because she was just like a lackey.
Quinny
Yeah. And it’s it is a bit of a shame because Taskmaster in the comics is is kind of a a very cool character who shows up time and time and time again. And in this she had kind of been relegated to, yeah, Lackey, very competent assassin, but with no real character depth.
Jill
Yeah. Yeah. So we never got to kind of explore her at all. And then they just kind of killed her. So it was like ohh wow, OK.
Speaker 1
Hmm.
Quinny
I I mean it did a a pretty good thing of of surprising me like that early in the film was like, oh, ****, OK, they just killed her ****. And I kept on expecting her to come back and she didn’t.
Speaker
Yeah.
Jill
Yeah. Yeah, I was like. Ohh surely they couldn’t have just killed?
Dion
Someone don’t worry, it’s a Marvel film. Eventually she’ll come back just like the comics.
Speaker
Jill
I mean, no one ever really dies.
Dion
No. Then there’ll be a flashback. Something else happened. Maybe it’ll be alternate dimension. Taskmaster. Maybe it’ll be taskmasters.
Quinny
Yeah.
Dion
Does it? Yeah.
Quinny
And then all of it’ll be taskmaster as a dude. And all of those whiny ***** fanboys who were angry that it was a woman who suddenly get their ******* anyway.
Dion
Yeah. Enough about that. I’m excited with this brand new day that we have right now because we have a different kind of government to the one that was represented in this film. Thank goodness. I mean, locally here in Australia, it was.
Quinny
Oh my. Yeah. Yes.
Dion
Good.
Quinny
Yeah. And we have Fantastic Four to look forward to. I did see that a few people saying it’s a bit of a worry when the movie like the movie, actually spoils itself in its own credits. So it’s it’s spoiled, its post credit sequence in its own credits. And I and I did agree, I watched the credits. And then it said Fantastic Four theme by Michael Giacchino.
Jill
Yes, I said the exact same thing.
Peta
To Peter? Yeah. Joe was like, where was the Fantastic Four music? I didn’t hear the Fantastic Four.
Quinny
It was like.
Peta
Music and then.
Dion
Yeah. Hmm. I was fine. Yeah.
Jill
And then, yeah. That’s not that wasn’t the end of the world.
Dion
No. Speaking of the end of the world. The end of the night.
Quinny
As we know it, what’s going on for the?
Dion
Rest of the month’s team.
Jill
It’s anime.
Speaker
Yeah.
Quinny
Yay.
Jill
Anime for the rest of the monkey guys.
Quinny
It’s all anime all the time. Giant eyes and lots. Hero. It’s a it’s a 47.
Peta
I’m so psyched to you guys.
Quinny
You’re not joining in with the rest of anime. You don’t. Want to be a part of anime?
Peta
Selectively, I’ll selectively join in.
Jill
You weep with us.
Dion
There’s a list of animes that we’re watching.
Peta
I like. I like the sound of the one that Jill’s gonna watch.
Jill
Ah, yes, rose of design.
Quinny
Very, very pretty. Yeah, very, very, very pretty.
Dion
Yeah. Next next week we’re doing is the rows of Versailles.
Jill
The rows of Versailles. It is a 2025 animated film. Based off the old 80s rose. Of Versailles anime so.
Peta
Yeah, I’ve really read one of the reboot.
Dion
I love the fact that this. Is this is a reboot? Of of an anime I’ve never. Seen. Yeah, there you go.
Quinny
OK, there’s some of my favorites. I’ve watched vampire Hunter 3D three times, the 70s version, the 80s version and the 2000s.
Jill
Version oh Dang it. What about the Hugh Jackman version?
Quinny
You. We do not speak. Van *******. Film Jesus. Well done, Jill, you have found a new trigger for me.
Speaker
Yes. Yeah.
Jill
Yes, it’s Hugh Jackman’s van Helsing.
Speaker 2
Yeah.
Dion
For the rest of the month, it’s it’s it’s anime heavy as long with whatever comes out that we decide to. About after. Because Andrew’s coming out. Uh, so wrapping up and then what is it? How to train your dragon and then a bunch of other stuff that’s coming. So I’ll just have to look at.
Speaker 1
It’s just.
Quinny
Mm-hmm. There’s all sorts of stuff happening at the moment on teeth and and stuff as well, and new series of you has started, which I’m.
Dion
That’s right. Yeah, destination, Lilo and Stitch the the the second part and the last Mission Impossible film bring her back, which is the horror from the guys who did.
Speaker 1
Or.
Dion
The hand one.
Quinny
Ohh, where the the porcelain hand that you?
Speaker 5
Ohh, that was creepy, yes.
Dion
Yeah. Yeah. Talk to me. Don’t you? Thank you.
Speaker 4
Talk. Talk. Thank you.
Jill
Ohh me, but that was such a good movie.
Dion
Yes.
Peta
Yeah, it’s really interesting in Natural History series coming out, so.
Jill
On the yes, it is reminders.
Quinny
Oh, yeah. What’s what’s what’s? That called Peter.
Peta
Sorry, second plug of the episode. That’s a terrible thing.
Quinny
Peter, if you cannot plug your you, your freaking amazing TV series, Emmy award-winning Peter, who’s also on TikTok, by the way.
Dion
If if yeah.
Peta
If if not.
Dion
Peter.
Peta
It’s a very end joke. Don’t look at me on TikTok. You’re gonna actually find my TikTok doppelganger. Somebody tell me who I look like on TikTok. That made somebody.
Dion
Yeah.
Peta
Stop me and say are. You on TikTok? Yeah.
Dion
Go. Come on, Peter.
Peta
No, I’m not. I’m not. I’m I’m. I’m pretty sure they won’t let me on TikTok because I’m over 35.
Quinny
They’ll let you.
Dion
Come on, Peter. If not plug, then why plug Shaq? Go. What? What is it? Next week. Tell us. Give us your pitch Tuesday next week.
Speaker
Yeah.
Peta
Well, you’re going to switch this off halfway. Through.
Speaker
Yes.
Dion
We’re going to have 1/2 hour show next week. Sorry, Jill.
Quinny
You’ll get through the rows of the.
Peta
She’s on iview so you can watch it after 8 PM, 13th of May, ABC and iview, the Kimberley. It is. It is. It is a show that we made and it’s a long time and I’m very tired and then no, it’s wonderful. It’s it’s a we worked with Mark Cole Smith who you may know from his many film and television appearances but who is also an egg and a man who actually is from. Kimberly and he wrote the show with us and it’s in his voice in the narration, which just kind of just gives it a whole. It’s very different to anything that we’ve. Ever. Made because of that really kind of person, personal element of the storytelling. So yeah, if you’re interested in Natural History, storytelling, if you’re interested in the Kimberley and what is happening over there. Maybe jump on iview and check it out? Definitely after very seriously listening to us talk about whatever anime that we’re watching.
Dion
The the Rose of Versailles. The rows of.
Quinny
This one, the pretty one that looks very nice. Ohh sorry. My eyes are watering really badly.
Dion
Yeah. Yeah, it was a the discussion of all of this beautiful stuff about the Kimberly. It’s just got your emotional.
Quinny
I think so. My eyes just watered in in amazing, even without having seen the show. Pete, I I will assume that it is beautifully shot and is lovely.
Peta
We think so.
Dion
Yeah. Good answer and then and then come back on the 20th for our review of the Kimberley well.
Peta
While I watch in horror.
Speaker
Well, yeah.
Dion
Pain. Strange. Smile going.
Peta
And you guys understand by sometimes I’m like. I just don’t want to be mean to these. People.
Quinny
Why is quinny swearing so much about a shark called the Kimberly?
Peta
It’s so soul destroying when people give us me reviews.
Dion
This review would have been better on TikTok.
Quinny
All right, lovely. So that’s enough. So we’ve got the Rose of Versailles and then later in the month.
Dion
What else have we got? A perfect blue, which I have never seen. So this is gonna be very.
Quinny
It’s all over the years.
Dion
Interesting exactly like.
Jill
Ohh man I am looking forward to rewatching. It so we can.
Dion
Yeah. OK, man. Classic.
Quinny
Talk about it. I’m looking forward to that. And I’m also looking forward to you then also going and watching God watching God.
Dion
I’ve got to go to church.
Quinny
The The the Christopher Nolan one inception.
Dion
Oh. Oh. Right.
Quinny
Because there’s there’s a few sequences from perfect blue that Nolan has said that we’re massively.
Dion
Inspired. Yeah, so I’m looking for I’m gonna say perfect this. It’s the classic. And then at the end of the month. We’re doing Quinn’s choice.
Jill
Wait, Connie, are you talking about Papri?
Quinny
****. It’s paprika. Sorry. Yeah, yeah. Sorry, my bad. My apologies.
Jill
Rico.
Speaker
Was, yeah.
Dion
Jill
The other Satoshi Kon movie.
Quinny
It’s a Satoshi Cohen movie, so I was like, ****, sorry my bad, perfectly amazing. I’m looking forward to watching, rewatching that, cause it’s been a long ******* time since I’ve watched it, but yes, we we end the month on some.
Jill
With Quinn’s trash choice.
Quinny
I I feel like I’m. I’m like if we’re doing anime I am gonna make it as the worst kind of anime that I can. Yeah, it’s called Batman ninja versus Yakuza League.
Jill
As as American as possible.
Dion
I’ve seen like 5. I feel like 5 minutes oh.
Jill
The Ricks of Sword boy.
Quinny
Yeah. Oh, oh, this this while you were doing anything. He studied the sword.
Dion
Amazing it is.
Quinny
Looks terrible and I cannot wait to to height review it like there’s no tomorrow.
Jill
Right.
Dion
So what do we got? It’s like 1 nice new anime, one classic anime and one ******* offspring.
Quinny
Who knows?
Speaker
Yeah.
Jill
I mean, if we didn’t Chuck a. A Westernized one in there, we really talking about anime.
Quinny
I mean, I do feel slightly guilty now and like maybe I should have chosen something that was actually proper animate.
Jill
It’s too late now. It’s on the schedule.
Speaker
No.
Jill
That take taxis.
Dion
Yeah, we can’t amend things as we go. What would what would? We look like if we change things. As we needed to.
Quinny
Yeah, we’ve never done that before. Certainly never changed the night or recording or anything.
Dion
Never done that before. Never done. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for thanks for joining us, everyone. There was a, there was a fun, fun, you know, little look into the Thunderbolts slash the new Avengers slash. Oh my God, it’s coming.
Quinny
Like that.
Dion
And little promo for the Kimberley, which we’re all gonna watch next.
Quinny
Week. Yeah. Congratulations, Pete, on getting another show up onto onto the team.
Speaker
Thank you.
Quinny
Like so. You know, we we make a lot of jokes and **** like that, but also we know exactly how much work you put in and it is a pretty spectacular thing to have a show be going out on our national broadcaster. So yeah, you.
Dion
Yeah, another one.
Peta
So it’s nice to feel like like this one’s different to the ones we’ve. Made. Before, so you know, yeah.
Dion
Yeah. It’s nice, and they’re all banging. So I’m looking forward to.
Jill
Any spawning fish in this one?
Quinny
Yeah.
Peta
No, no spawning fish, but there there is a lot more Natural History than than we would usually have, and some of it’s a bit intense, so hold on to your hats.
Dion
Is it? Does it sometimes venture into unnatural history?
Quinny
Was built by aliens. Yeah, **** yeah.
Jill
What if?
Speaker
Aliens.
Dion
You know, one day I would love to meet Mirror universe, Peter, and they just make like. Like Trash, TV and mail stuff, it’s conspiracy theorist YouTube channel.
Jill
That was, that’s for TikTok.
Quinny
So. Peter.
Dion
She’s got a little. She’s got a little goatee and. Everything.
Quinny
So yeah, that’s that’s who Peter is on. TikTok. She’s she’s the Alex Jones of.
Peta
Oh, God. I mean, look, we do have like Dragons hatching out of X. So there you go. Catch that. Cool.
Quinny
Wait, I’m subtle.
Dion
Excellent.
Speaker
Dion
Thanks everyone. We’re going to head off, have a great week. We’ll see you all next.
Quinny
Ohh thank you.
Dion
Time.
Quinny
Yeah, we we’ll indeed. And I’m gonna go and. We’ll go round. Hex. She’s playing some Red Dead Redemption. Wait. Bye.
Dion
Nice. OK, bye.
5
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Marvel has been pretty hit and miss of late, It’s TV has been great but some of the films have felt a little under-cooked. We have had a new Captain America film which some thought flew too close to the sun so now it’s time for the B-team lineup to take centre stage. Will this NEW film AVENGE the sacred timeline? Will it be a bolt of exciting lightning or more of a belated and low energy roll of thunder? Or…will it change it’s title 4 days after release confusing the hell out of everyone?!
All 4 of our team of loveable misfits are on board for this show and we each had a fair bit to say about Thunderbolts* especially that damn asterisk!
Ensnared in a death trap, an unconventional team of antiheroes — Yelena Belova, Bucky Barnes, Red Guardian, Ghost, Taskmaster and John Walker — embarks on a dangerous mission that forces them to confront the darkest corners of their pasts.
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Transcript
Speaker 1
Lena. Being the hero. There is no higher calling. Your sister understood something about that. I should have come back for you. No.
Speaker 2
That’s just a fairy tale.
Speaker 3
I was in high school when The Avengers came. Kind of strange that it’s all over now. No one’s coming to save. The day.
Speaker 4
I think we. Are we can be the ones that are coming?
Speaker 2
But you have the wrong people. We have all done bad things.
Speaker 4
Look, I’ve been where you are. The past doesn’t go away, so you can either live with it forever. Or you can do something about it.
Speaker 1
I am a void. Look what you are unleashed. You can’t outrun the emptiness.
Speaker 2
We can’t do. This. No one here is a hero.
Speaker
We all have things that we regret.
Speaker 5
But I have so many.
Speaker 1
When I look at you. I don’t see your mistakes. That’s probably need each other.
Speaker 2
We can’t stop him alone. No one can. But we can find a way. Together.
Speaker
Marvel Studios thunderballs.
Speaker 1
Under pressure.
Dion
Ohh hello and welcome to the periodic Table of Wars AM. I haven’t done that because. Kept talking over it and now I’m. Finally, gonna go to the live. There you go. Now you can see my lovely.
Quinny
Ohh.
Dion
Sorry here our dulcet voices as we welcome you to the latest in the 497 thousandth Marvel release. Thunderbolts. Asterisks.
Quinny
No.
Dion
Asterisk, asterisk, Asterix, oblix.
Quinny
As to Ricks is a different thing that came out on Netflix this week and it’s quite entertaining. But anyway, we’ll come.
Dion
Back to that later. Well, that’s not a yes. Going against the grain, it isn’t actually. And they film we’re doing in this this month, but we are doing a film that. She’s here anyway. We’re doing thunderballs, and then we’ll do anime for the rest. Of it. How’s? That sound? Yeah. How are you, Peter. Jill. Quinny. Are you good?
Jill
Yes, I’m well.
Peta
Living.
Dion
Living great. I mean this is.
Quinny
I I what are you living for, Pete? That’s my question.
Peta
Ah, look, that’s that’s a great question. If I knew the answer to that, I’d be. Having a better? Time. Ohh no.
Dion
OK, so like I just wanna say real low vibe. But that’s kind. Of on that’s kind of on brand for this. Movie.
Peta
Hey, you know what I’ve just realised that we have a genuine problem.
Quinny
Ohh.
Dion
Oh, really? What? What is?
Peta
Next Tuesday at 8:00 PM, we shouldn’t be watching Twitch. We should be watching ABC.
Dion
That. Genuine problems.
Quinny
Ohh no.
Jill
Why? What’s on?
Dion
Porquet.
Peta
Little little show, little show called Kimberly.
Dion
Oh my God.
Peta
It’s the reason for my vowing exhaustion.
Dion
Is that ohh is. This some sort of deep dive into Kim Kardashian.
Peta
That’s exactly what it is that like? Nailed it.
Speaker
Yeah.
Dion
Yeah, but it’s the order to sell to Australian audience. Had to call it Kimberly.
Quinny
Because that’s that is her true name. Only in Australia do you believe.
Dion
Kardashian. Yeah. Yeah. No. What? I look forward to is, like, about 8:00 as we just switched to a live feed of the ABC and then Pete can just, you know, we’ll just review it in front of Pete cause.
Quinny
That’ll be reviewing. We’ll, we’ll do it. We’ll do live.
Peta
Reactions do I do produce this commentary over the top of?
Quinny
Hell yeah, hell yeah.
Jill
Should be periodic table of Gogglebox.
Peta
It will start with. This is the scene. That ruined my life. I hope you enjoy it.
Dion
Yeah, we went back and forth on this scene for seven years. And or what felt like 7 years. Yeah. Alright. Hello and hello to everyone in the chat. Sorry, I forgot to. Say hello to everyone in the chat.
Quinny
Yeah. Hi, Chad. And there’s there’s some some. There’s a new name in there. We haven’t seen Bob Franklin for quite.
Dion
It’s it’s.
Quinny
Some time, yeah, yeah.
Dion
It’s going to be may. No, here we go. Another Bob. I’m no. I’m quite sceptical about Bobby. After watching Thunderbolts Asterix. Yeah, OK. So I’ve lost my train. Thought keep going. No, someone figured out. What are we doing?
Quinny
Going well, OK. So what with 36? I think with 36 or 37 movies deep now.
Jill
Lord good.
Quinny
And and and multiple TV series and animated series and not many tie in video games. Actually. So how we all doing on our marvel how we feeling?
Jill
A bit so. So after end game. To be honest, I did really enjoy the marvels even though that got panned. What else did I enjoy? I feel like there was.
Quinny
Yeah.
Speaker
Right.
Jill
Another one in. There that I liked. Can’t remember.
Dion
The marvels.
Jill
Just ******* said that.
Quinny
Jesus, Shanxi.
Dion
I know. Shang Shang chi. No. Didn’t enjoy Shang chi.
Jill
That was before end game.
Quinny
That wasn’t Nope.
Dion
Yeah. See, well, welcome to the overload. Now everyone’s like, I don’t know when that was released, it all sort.
Quinny
Nope.
Jill
It’s right.
Quinny
Of blurs into one. I mean we since then we have had Shanghai, we’ve had Black Widow, we’ve had Thor love and Thunder quantum Mania, Black Panther kind of forever. There’s been a Spiderman far from home. That’s. All post end game.
Jill
Yeah, that one was good. I liked the Doctor Strange one.
Quinny
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah.
Dion
Deadpool and Wolverine.
Quinny
Yeah, yeah.
Jill
Yeah, it’s adjacent, but sure.
Dion
Yeah, and what about?
Jill
Yeah, but it’s like in the publicity this was. Really getting touted as the best film since end. Game and I was like. Well, that’s a strong call.
Quinny
It’s it’s a. It is a big. Call, isn’t it?
Jill
I made about 50% of. The stuff that came out after end game. Was terrible, but there was some good stuff in there.
Quinny
So OK to to to be clear, we got Spiderman far from home, which came out after end game. Then Black Widow Shang Chi eternals.
Jill
Bing Bing.
Speaker
Booze.
Quinny
Spiderman. No way home. Ding. Doctor Strange. Multiverse of Madness, love and Thunder, Thor.
Jill
Bing.
Peta
Boo.
Quinny
Well, kinda forever.
Speaker
Boo.
Quinny
Man, what’s quantum mania? Guardians of the Galaxy 3.
Dion
Boo. I’m officially petitioning to have our rating system changed to Jills Ding Boo or Air. Ding Ding Boo.
Jill
Ohh Brave New world Boo.
Quinny
I was going to say Deadpool and Wolverine and and then brave New World and that brings us to Thunderbolts and how quick you want to read it. Ding asterisk.
Dion
Asterix I Ding it.
Speaker
Ah.
Jill
Ding Ding no more out of 100. The dinger book.
Dion
Give it. Date.
Quinny
Yeah, yeah. I mean, for, for, for 10 years, we read a podcast where our rating system was cool.
Dion
We gave it, we gave it a dig.
Quinny
Or shy, or men.
Jill
I’m shot.
Quinny
And and if we. Didn’t know what the **** it was. It was a. Bucket of soap. So there you.
Dion
Go God, that’s that’s.
Jill
Go back to what works.
Dion
That’s old. That’s old ratings that I can’t do that I think. Isn’t that still under, like, copy? Isn’t that under copyright, though? All those ratings.
Quinny
It’s it’s, it’s still embargoed.
Dion
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Quinny
Yes, 100% OK. So there we go. That’s what we’ve done since then plus Wanda vision.
Jill
Not going to even get into the TV.
Quinny
Though we kind of have to a little bit because there’s at least one character that is TV only from this.
Dion
It’s true. Ohh yeah, yeah, there we go. Finally comes out. You’re like, yeah. **** because.
Quinny
Hmm. So you kind of like 2-2 fully understand this movie. You have to have seen to like to get all of the characters you have. Yep. Ant-Man to Black Widow.
Jill
Ant-Man 2. Black Widow.
Dion
Yep.
Jill
Falcon and The Winter Soldier TV series.
Dion
Quinny
And.
Dion
Where did? Where did red guardian?
Jill
That was in Black Widow.
Speaker
Black sweetheart.
Dion
Yeah.
Quinny
And then to kind of work out where we’re at with Elena. Yeah, Black Widow. But then.
Peta
The world.
Dion
And Val. Who was introducing the TV, wasn’t she?
Peta
I thought it was end of end of Black Widow.
Jill
Yeah, yeah. Although she was in something else before that.
Quinny
She’s.
Dion
Umm oh, yeah. Also Hawkeye. Yeah, it’s a good one. Yep. Yeah. Hawkeye cause Yelena was in Hawkeye.
Quinny
What? That’s right. Yeah, but that wasn’t like I was thinking, like if you hadn’t seen, like, if you’ve seen Black Widow, you’ve you’ve you’ve at least met Yelena.
Dion
I mean just. Look at how how we’re struggling here.
Jill
We first see. Val in Falcon in The Winter Soldier was she?
Quinny
In that she showed up right at the end to give Walker a job.
Jill
Yeah.
Quinny
But I’m not entirely sure where that.
Jill
I think that was no. That was the first time we.
Quinny
Happens.
Jill
Saw her.
Quinny
Right.
Jill
Yes.
Peta
And then Falcon and The Winter Soldier. The movie does situate you in a. Time and place for this film.
Quinny
Yes. Yeah. Look, you know, if it had been Falcon in The Winter Soldier, the movie, I probably would have enjoyed brave new world more as it was, it was incredible. Hulk 2 without the Incredible Hulk, it was a very strange.
Speaker
Yeah.
Quinny
Choice. Anyway, there we go. We’re now all all caught up, caught up on the **** that you have to have watched before you get to watch this. And it’s not true. I don’t think you do have.
Jill
Now you’re.
Peta
To have watched all of it? No, you really don’t.
Jill
There’s plenty of concepts.
Peta
You know what it is? A classic freaking hero’s journey. So you can come in with 0 context and it’s still. Enjoy the narrative arc because it is a very classic. Is a very classically structured narrative and character arc, and that is not a criticism.
Jill
No, Pete, you said to me at the end you were like I. Liked Avengers one? Yeah.
Speaker 5
Again.
Peta
Yeah, I saw Avengers 1 multiple times at the cinemas like I’m. I’m happy to see something in that classic team base. You know, Hero’s journey structure, life, freaking love that structure.
Quinny
Yeah. I mean, there’s a reason that we’ve been doing it for so long because it kind of works. Yeah. And this one really was leaning in hard on a lot of the those heroes journey, you know, tropes like.
Peta
Particularly as it pertains to the mismatched team. Yes, which is fun.
Quinny
Yeah. Hmm. Yeah, absolutely it’s.
Peta
Just in the background, just looking grumpy.
Speaker
I’m not, I’m.
Dion
Not against it is because one of the things I had very low expectations going in and watching the Thunderbolts and I was like, I don’t. I don’t really remember from the comics. I kind of missed the whole thing. I know there’s like a classic Baron Zemo led Thunderbolts. There’s a whole bunch of stuff around it. I totally missed the. Entry character in the comics missed all of that, but this one was just kind of fun because it was dry and dark and kind of knew what it was shooting for and did not do the same thing as I was a bit afraid that was going to not copy, but more mirror Suicide Squad and I felt like it.
Quinny
Yes.
Jill
We were waiting for a sky beam.
Dion
Yeah. Where was the second sky made? When was the?
Quinny
Big we were all waiting for Sky thing.
Dion
You didn’t really do that.
Jill
We got anti Skype aim actually, yeah.
Quinny
And I found it. I found it as.
Jill
Yeah, we got sky darkness.
Dion
Kind of a. Kind of a nuanced.
Quinny
Ground darkness.
Jill
That’s that’s the opposite of.
Quinny
Skyping. Yeah. And it literally was ground darkness, not sky. Being kind of amazing, kind of.
Dion
Nuanced and interesting and a bit kind of sympathetic towards things that aren’t very heroic. Like I really like the fact that they played very heavily into this, that none of these people are heroic. In fact, they’re all pretty ******* terrible. But and I mean, not even not only terrible in the choices that they made, but also how they how effective they are, even all the. Way through during this. Movie. It’s like these guys aren’t great. But they’re the best we’ve got.
Speaker
Yeah.
Quinny
Yeah, they’re not. They’re not heroes. They’re just here.
Dion
And the rest and the and then the rest.
Speaker 1
Oh yeah.
Dion
Is just marketing. Which I kind of feel like, wow, the metaphor of this is this just strong in the Marvel universes it’s like.
Quinny
Yes.
Dion
We don’t have anyone else and the rest is marketing.
Speaker
Excellent.
Quinny
I I must admit, when it when it started, I did have a moment where, like the the I think one of the first things you hear is them talking about impeachment. And I kept I was like that was. A choice too. I mean, admittedly, the last thing we saw was a giant red slash orange president of the United States destroying America. So I mean, starting with impeachment. Be a good ******* start. That’s not a political.
Dion
State is that a metaphor too? Maybe. This just metaphors.
Quinny
Let’s go with it. Why not? Do you want a synopsis? Do you want to know what this is?
Dion
About Ohh wait, before a synopsis the the the query you have to ask the chat is what accent is. When you gonna attempt and I banning one no no red guardian.
Speaker
Quinny
Ohh.
Dion
You can’t do red guard. It’s too easy. You’ve done it before.
Quinny
Ohh.
Peta
Ohh the disappointment.
Dion
Ohh no.
Jill
How about ********* white Russell?
Quinny
Yeah, well, you know, I was, yeah.
Jill
Tell us about how you were on so many football teams.
Quinny
Yeah. Yeah, I will. OK. Junior varsity. Everything. Right. OK, I’ve got this. Out of my head that it’s just going alright. Alright, alright, that’s good.
Dion
Now just think think more nepo baby, could you?
Quinny
All right. Yeah. OK. I’ve never had to work for anything in my life. Everything has just come to me. I’m junior varsity football captain. And is there music playing yet? I don’t feel like they should be music. Right. OK.
Dion
Yes, there’s music.
Quinny
Ensnared in a death trap and unconventional team of Eddie Heroes and me, the greatest hero that has ever been, that that the other is being Yelena Belova. Bucky Barnes. Bucky. Yeah. Some guy called Red Guardian, ghost, taskmaster and and yours truly. Yeah. The best damn Captain America. OK, OK, maybe not the best. Damn. But I was. I was a good stop. ******* looking at me like that. Anyway, we all embark on a dangerous mission that forces us to to confront the darkest corners of our past. And there’s a guy called Bob. That’s it.
Dion
Well, that was done. Yeah. Excellent. Thanks.
Quinny
Yeah. Thank you. Thanks. Well.
Jill
Excellent synopsis.
Dion
Done. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Quinny
Yes. Congratulations. You have. Yeah, you have. You have.
Dion
Finished. Don’t worry, honey. We’re all here with you. We’re not going to abandon.
Quinny
You. Thank you. Thank you. Cause I really need all of the. Support that I can get. Yeah, yeah.
Dion
Yeah.
Speaker 1
Oh.
Quinny
Dion
Yeah. And, you know, isn’t the real treasure the friends we made along the. Way yeah, exactly. But in a good way this time like.
Peta
Yeah.
Quinny
Yeah. No, like, I mean, that is literally the the kind of thing that they’re. Going for but.
Dion
Yeah.
Quinny
It doesn’t feel that cheesy. No, and that’s impressive.
Dion
And also I found this like Thunderbolt a lot funnier than I thought it would be because we all know that sometimes there’s great jokes and they do stuff like that, but they didn’t really put any of that in the trail.
Speaker
Hmm.
Jill
It was all very acerbic. Kind of humour. Yeah, very situational and dark and dry.
Quinny
Hmm.
Dion
Yeah.
Quinny
And character driven. That’s that’s the thing I really liked about it is that, you know, this is this is the humour of characters who are taking potshots at each other based on what we as an audience know about them as well.
Jill
That’s true.
Quinny
Yeah, you know, it’s like the the whole thing with the, the the helmet. So do you like the helmet? Do you like the helmet? Do you do you? Do you like the hat? What’s wrong with the?
Jill
Oh, the hat, do you? Like your hat. What about your?
Quinny
Hat do you like that do. You like the hat? Yeah.
Jill
But you need a helmet.
Quinny
The yeah, like the IT was dry. It was a little biting. But also, you know, there’s pretty broad humor in there too. As soon as Alexei shows.
Peta
Like it’s it’s funny that they kind of nailed the kind of humour that you get from deeply traumatized people, basically because it’s a very special kind of humour.
Speaker 2
Hmm.
Peta
Often the funniest really. If you know any deeply traumatised people, use humor to get through the day like they did, like a little bit God, and they all that tone. Because in a way, this is all about acknowledging that these flawed characters. Are deeply troubled. Yeah. You know, there’s there was felt like a real consistency to the way that was treated. Yes, there were funny moments, but none of the funny moments felt inconsistent to the characters and where they were at and the tone of what we were doing, which was.
Quinny
Hmm.
Peta
Kind of nice.
Speaker
Hmm.
Quinny
Because, yeah, like occasionally the Marvel Universe has kind of skewed a little towards humour. Which has maybe undercut some things like especially in movies like Thor, Love and Thunder and Stuff. It’s like, OK, we’ve, we’ve we’ve missed the balance entirely. And we’re going for gags as opposed to character. And and this one I think really does hit that, that sweet spot of. Yeah, you’re laughing, but you’re laughing with them and you’re not. And if you are laughing at them, they’re also kind of going, you know, it it. Yeah, it really worked.
Speaker
Hmm.
Peta
The the gags are driven by the character, not despite the character Umm, and that’s why they work. And I I think you know the. Characters that have been brought together and you’ve got to remember that I’m really unfamiliar with most of these characters outside of the the cinematic universe. I’m not familiar with anyone from any of the comics or any back story or or anything like that. So like my connection with these characters is purely based on. Having seen the aforementioned properties and hopefully remembering some of the details from the many, many, many things, so that’s like, that’s an interesting moment to me because I’m sure that you guys have a lot more context on on the history of some of these things than than I do.
Quinny
Mm-hmm.
Peta
But for. And and I’ve seen, you know, like Suicide Squad. Well, not the original 1, but, you know, I I listen to your recommendations. So I I think that I had an expectation going in as well about how this kind of like antihero team up would be treated and.
Speaker
Good.
Peta
Like I think that I was kind of like pleasantly surprised to find myself on more of. A character driven. In journey than I expected that was more about the individual characters than it was about how the interaction of you know the IT it wasn’t. It wasn’t just about. Mismatched people, and not every plot point was coming from. Them. Or being mismatched and different and funked up in a different way it it felt like what was driving the story was a little bit deeper than that. And I think that’s maybe what? Not me. Kind of a bit hooked in at the start.
Jill
Yeah, I want to branch off that Suicide Squad thing because that was my apprehension in going into this film is that I thought a lot of the trailers were painting it out to be a spin off like a a copy of Suicide Squad. And I wasn’t particularly a fan. Well, I definitely was not a fan of the first one, the second one.
Quinny
Yeah.
Jill
Kind of grew on me. But I feel like the problem with Suicide Squad was all of those characters.
Peta
Thought they were.
Jill
Not **** and acted that way. They were full of bravado. They had no time for anybody else and they. Yeah.
Peta
They all thought.
Jill
That they were the best person in that team and therefore we’re just, they’re doing their own thing and that kind of mismatch disjointed team doesn’t work, whereas this team. They’re all self deprecating. They all think they’re the worst person on the planet and not fit for the job. Yeah, except for John Walker. But he’s different stories.
Peta
They’re deeply burned out. Well, no. He has his own. He’s, he’s. He’s got a facade, but he’s a different jellyfish.
Jill
He’s a different kettle of fish. Exactly. Exactly. But these guys all kind of work.
Quinny
I gotta say it.
Jill
A bit better because. They were kind of all on the. Same playing field.
Quinny
I was just going to say I I agree that they are on the same playing field and I really liked the fact that a character as as like fundamentally dislikeable as Walker who you know has, you know, you spent an 8 episode TV series.
Jill
Ohh I despised him.
Quinny
Yeah.
Jill
Even going into this, I’m like, God, I ******* hate him. But by the end.
Dion
You still hate him, but you understand him.
Quinny
Yeah.
Jill
Change my mind.
Quinny
Honestly, I I’ve said it to somebody. I said that there is one look in the film that he gives you, Lena, that you just go. Oh, OK, right. There’s and and it’s a. It’s a moment of, I guess vulnerability but it’s. It’s just enough and that that to me says a lot about the quality of the film, that he doesn’t have to, you know, do a gigantic self sacrificing thing or anything like that, for to, for us to be. Won over by him.
Speaker 1
Hmm.
Quinny
The the the film has the the confidence in itself to just say, OK, he just has to look and acknowledge the fact that he’s a ******. And that’s enough growth for us to go. OK, maybe. He is redeemable. Yeah.
Dion
The.
Jill
Now, I don’t hate him.
Peta
Ones a really nice moment because it wasn’t over explained, and I think that’s the other thing that this somehow managed to avoid that horrendous overexplaining that we get in franchises where everything that you know you have to like.
Jill
Hate him. I just love to hate him.
Peta
No, explicitly through dialogue. I think you know somehow we’ve we’ve kind of managed to avoid that trap as well. And there was a little bit of trust in the audience to catch that look and not have it overtly explained, which again was kind of. Yes.
Quinny
Yeah.
Peta
Little unusual these days.
Quinny
Yeah, yeah, I I was surprised at the level of of confidence in the film to just go. Oh, no, my our audience is smart. Enough. We don’t have to beat people over the head with it. Yeah, I mean early on. And there’s there’s a couple of bits of exposition that I was like ******* hell, right, you know where it’s like you’re this. You’re you’re just an assassin who could do this. Oh, yeah? Well, you’re just a dinosaur, Captain America. Ohh, well, you’re just this.
Jill
I mean yes, that’s that’s that’s for the newbies that.
Peta
Exactly you need to, but at least that is exposition within.
Jill
Within a dialogue, it’s not, it’s not paragraph, yeah.
Peta
You know within within. Some kind of rather than just. Yeah, yeah. If you can get the exposition out within conflict, that is so much less annoying than literally just facing the camera and like being like, oh, we found this video.
Dion
Yeah. Wasn’t a voice over. Going this guys, who this person who?
Speaker
Hmm.
Quinny
Yeah.
Peta
Infomercial.
Dion
Here’s the computer with all the information on it.
Quinny
Ohh.
Speaker
Yeah.
Peta
Wow. Ohh. He, he, he he’s he’s a he’s a segment from a television programmer. We’re interviewing somebody and we’re just gonna do a supercut of archive. This will. Be. Oh, God, yeah. Like you will like your type.
Dion
Well, let’s play it during the let’s play it during the. Yes.
Quinny
What was?
Dion
That day, let’s play it during the credits. Yeah, we’re we’re watching the credits. We can understand how they all got. Here.
Jill
Yeah. Yes.
Quinny
Yeah, like it’s it. When you when you are dealing with a 36 movie back story and you know multiple TV shows and stuff. Yeah, it’s a slog to try and work out. How do you? How do you? Give enough back story and I thought they managed it surprisingly well. I mean this is I guess if you were going to say it’s anything, it feels like a bit of a soft sequel to Black Widow. In that it’s really about. The trauma and yeah, it’s it’s yelena’s story and the the relationship with her. And Alexi is is very important to it.
Peta
Remaining based.
Quinny
But I mean, yeah, I think it’s it’s, it’s big enough to be its own thing. It’s not Black Widow 2, it is Thunderbolt and you know, was it the West Westborough Valley Thunderbolts?
Speaker
Idea.
Quinny
As sponsored by she’s. Electrical.
Peta
No, it’s a tyres. It was a tyre.
Quinny
Store, wasn’t it? No, no, no. It could not have been Shane. Shane had no money. I mean, I have actually watched the film twice. I went back. Yeah. Yeah. I went back to watch it cause I wanted to go with my partner and she she enjoys the Marvel movies and I got to say, I actually got a much bigger emotional hit out of it second time around because I because I knew where we were going.
Jill
All good. Really.
Quinny
And stuff and you know. Sort of. Waiting for something that isn’t gonna come up. Like if you cause because it’s a Marvel film, but you kind of are waiting for the giant. CGI battle at the. End. Sure. You know, yeah. You’re waiting for sky beam. You’re waiting for huge battle sequence where everybody does special power. Knowing that this was a different kind of film, I was able to engage much more with the emotional language of it. Yeah, and find there was so many more points in there where I was like, yeah, that’s funny. But ****, that’s actually quite heartbreaking.
Speaker
Hmm. Yeah.
Quinny
You know where characters are saying how ****** they are. And yeah, it’s it. I was really impressed with that. And and seeing the the social reaction to it, which has been, yeah, fun film, really enjoyed it. But so many more people going was not expecting this.
Peta
No, and I think in.
Quinny
It’s expecting to have an emotional thing.
Peta
A way. You know, breathe new. Well, really tried valiantly to say something and what it was trying to say was super, super, super valid, but I just kind of think that it it missed. It overshot the mark there. And I think in contrast, this film was really trying to say something and. Hit the bullseye. In what it was trying to say and and how it was saying it, and like in in you know kind of like a surprising like ohh that’s what we’re saying, OK didn’t expect that from this film, but. Cool, cool message.
Jill
Yeah. I mean, I think a lot of this.
Peta
Without, you know, without being being spoilery because like a lot of how that emotion hits does belong in spoilers, but yeah.
Jill
Sure. But I feel like a lot of us in recent years have gone through dark moments. Like we all. Experienced lockdowns and being separated from people. There’s also like. You know the existential crisis that’s kind of dissolving in. America right now and.
Quinny
Yeah.
Jill
There’s, there’s a lot of heavy **** going on and I feel like this is kind of a movie. For the pie. Period where we can all just kind of acknowledge that, hey, we might not all be coping, but you know, if you have people around you, there’s a support network, you just need to reach out and find those people.
Quinny
Umm, so I said to Dean yesterday when I came into work I was like Ah Dion. What fresh hell is it today? Or is it just yesterday’s hell? Just warmed up again?
Dion
And Arizona, where who you get out of my workplace. You don’t work here. Anyway, yeah, I found I well, I found that it was interest.
Quinny
But yeah, yeah.
Dion
And to discover that the director, Jake Trier, one of the reasons that I feel it comes across better as a more in tune and thoughtful piece, especially when it comes to emotional stuff, is because of the work that he’s done, which was, you remember robot and Frank, which was a great. Like buddy film from ages ago that he was on that, but he also Jake Trier also worked on beef. Did anyone see beef on Netflix? So that’s a really good, you know, kind of interpersonal or how to how?
Speaker 1
Sorry.
Peta
Yeah. Yeah, that’s.
Jill
God’s emotional conflict, yeah.
Dion
To work. About exactly. And also he directed the you have a lot to learn. Pirates episode of Skeleton crew. Yeah. So remember all of that kind of stuff. That was a bit of a scarier episode of.
Peta
Yeah.
Dion
But yeah, like it was a nice take on the traditional Marvel beat em up sort of thing. While there is enough, I think action in there to satisfy you, enough of people who want that is a lot more to do with. Interpersonal relationships and the notion of depression and yeah, isolation and how that feels and how to overcome it or not even overcome it. But how to deal with it? I think that’s the greatest thing about. This no one in this film overcomes it.
Jill
Ohh no one was magically healed at the.
Dion
Yeah. No, I absolutely love that. Like you, it introduces all of these broken characters and it goes out of its way to explain that none of them are fixed. Yeah. You know, it’s like they’re all still broken, but they’re just, they’re they’re learning coping mechanisms and it’s.
Speaker
End I’m not for sure.
Peta
Most of. Like and, they’re broken together.
Dion
Yeah.
Quinny
Like at the start, I love how quickly Alexi is is able to to say, you know. Are you doing OK? Of course. I’m not doing OK, look. Around.
Speaker
What?
Peta
Do you mean? I would also say like for me, conceptually most terrifying Marvel villains since Kilgrave.
Speaker
Oh.
Peta
Yeah.
Dion
Conceptually. Right. Yeah, I look I. I quite enjoyed the the the way they presented it as well, because I kind of looked at it. Is like. That’s really a cool idea. It’s just nothing. And you can’t really know what it is, and you don’t really see it and it’s just there, but it’s absorbing everything around it. And I was like, interesting.
Speaker
Yeah.
Quinny
Yeah, like the the the black dog and but also the the visual language of it is so clear that it, like they said that they wanted the shadows to be like the shadows and Hiroshima, that was that was their intent and holy.
Jill
Oh.
Speaker
Wow.
Quinny
****. You know there? There’s a moment where it happens to a kid and you’re just like me running. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. And that’s.
Dion
It did it. It hit those beats well.
Quinny
Yeah, like the that design, but also so there’s a the the character that we haven’t really talked about a lot is Bob. So we’ve got all of the other characters. Oh yes, also.
Dion
So is it Bob, Bob?
Peta
Who spent the entire movie going? Where have I seen that?
Dion
I was just going to say you all thought when I was talking about the nepo baby that I was referring to. What’s his name?
Quinny
Walker. Yeah. Wyatt Russell.
Dion
John Walker. Wyatt Russell. No, no, I’m referring to Lewis Pullman, the son of Bill Pullman.
Peta
Bill Pullman, I was going mad being like I’ve seen him, but it was a long time ago and he’s too young to have been. I don’t understand why is my brain telling me.
Dion
Who? Who saved us all in Independence Day? No, and I’m and I’m so I’m so happy that Lewis Pullman is reprising his role from earlier on when he appeared in as Bob in top Top Gun.
Peta
Xbox.
Dion
Maverick.
Speaker
And.
Peta
I feel like he should only accept roles of Bob now.
Speaker 1
Yeah.
Dion
Yeah, he’s actually one of the things that’s.
Quinny
Is this road not Bob? Yeah, it’s.
Jill
That’s a ******* power move. You go your whole career only playing characters.
Speaker 1
Football.
Dion
It was actually one of the things that he said when he took the role of this is like, do I have to call like, is this character actually called Bob or can we is there any wiggle room on that cause? I literally just played a Bob who was associate who a socially awkward kind of nerdy.
Peta
Bob, yeah.
Dion
And now he’s playing another ball.
Jill
Boba verse good one product king.
Quinny
I we love the bubble mess. Interesting thing he wasn’t the original casting. No. Originally the film started production and it was Steven Yuen. Ohh, I know, right? Yeah. Interesting.
Dion
Oh, interesting.
Jill
Is that like too close to being invincible?
Quinny
That’s a. That’s a good point. Quite possibly, but he had to. There was a conflict and he went off to film. Mickey 17. Damn. So yeah, interesting. But I I think we got a really great performance there. Yeah, and.
Dion
It’s it’s it’s. It’s definitely a role that is and without spoiling it, you can’t really say what the role. Is. Too much. Without going into spoilers so.
Quinny
As in, as in the the. Where Bob ends up.
Dion
Or just who? Like just about Bob, like what about? Bob.
Quinny
What about Bob? It is difficult to talk about because like the character that he is was created for the comics and was created by a friend of ours.
Speaker 1
Yeah.
Quinny
Paul Jenkins who?
Dion
Jenna jenko.
Speaker
Quinny
He’s he’s a lovely guy and he he was the guy who was responsible for writing Wolverine origins and and and other stuff.
Dion
Not the not the movie, the comic.
Quinny
Book. Yeah. The comic. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, he I, I, I like Janko stuff because he’s always going. OK, what’s an interesting thing that. I could do with his superhero. And how do we make this? Not just another person in a suit. Let’s explore something deeper.
Speaker
On that.
Quinny
And and you know, quite often it’s like, let’s explore what other traumas there are.
Dion
So much trauma.
Quinny
Uh, and so much trauma. Bonding with so good at.
Dion
That, Speaking of trauma bonding, how did everyone react to Bucky seeing Bucky back on the big screen?
Jill
Again, Bucky, I’m so ******* happy, because if I can’t have my Steve Rogers, I need my Bucky.
Dion
Yeah, he’s looking pretty good.
Jill
I wish I had Bucky when I had. Depression like ****.
Quinny
Yes.
Dion
I did like that bit where he was washing his. Arm in the. Dishwasher yeah.
Jill
That was good.
Quinny
It’s a content technology, of course. It’s dishwasher safe.
Speaker
Yeah. Yes, of course.
Quinny
I I enjoyed him and he I like that he’s still playing that same Bucky character but. He’s he’s now got a whole different raft of challenges. Like you’re a senator now. Clearly he’s not very good at it.
Speaker
Slash.
Jill
No, I like that.
Dion
He’s more of a punchy person, not a debatty person. How do we feel about Julia Louis Dreyfus’s Val like as a as a character, as an evil kind of character manipulator? I’m not 100% sold.
Jill
Ohh OK I I mean I like her. I admire a woman that can pivot and you know, sometimes you just gotta multitask and.
Dion
I’m not. I’m not with you. She does. Yep.
Jill
I wish I had an assistant like. Mel Mel gets **** done too.
Dion
Yeah, but you always gotta watch Mel. Was not exactly. Like Mel gets **** done, but Mel isn’t trustworthy. That’s what I’m worried about.
Jill
Mel’s just. Looking out for. The people. She’s like, keeping keeping Val in check.
Dion
I mean like I I know that it’s the 36th Marvel film that we’ve got. But like if there is one message I’m taking away from the rest of the earlier films is don’t ******* trust the government. They are just full of weird ******* people. And no wonder you get end up with people like first it was Hydra was full.
Quinny
Hmm.
Dion
The government and then you know, you got like Thunderbolt Ross doing, you know, dangerous experiment to eventually becomes the president. And then they’re using ex Nazis for their science. Ohh wait. This is America.
Quinny
MHM.
Dion
I see I see the problem here.
Quinny
I quite liked Mel. Mel was a well written character. Interesting enough may actually be another superhero. Yeah, character called songbird. And now, now Jill’s on board.
Dion
Who knows?
Jill
Wow.
Quinny
Her name is Mel Gold.
Dion
Should we? Should we have a bit of a rating and go to a clip and then do spoilery things or do you want?
Quinny
To do it a different way around. Oh, I I think. I think right, let’s let’s not **** with the the thing. But OK, I definitely want to get to spoil the town.
Jill
Sure.
Dion
Because we’re just doing the 1:00 tonight.
Quinny
Cause there’s a lot to talk about. In there, OK.
Dion
I mean, I’m happy to start. I’m just gonna roll straight through this. Like it had a lot better than I thought it was. So out of the recent crop of it. I’m gonna give Thunderbolts 80 cause I recommend it.
Speaker
Hmm.
Dion
There you go. OK. No. Like it’s not perfect. It does have structural issues that I didn’t enjoy. Sorry. Pretty Kenga has rated it. Ding Ding out of 100. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So on this new official rating system, I’m giving it a gene.
Peta
Yeah.
Quinny
God dammit.
Jill
Giving it a Ding.
Dion
I’m Yep, I’m going to do that. Or should I give? It a good old whip crack. There you go.
Speaker
We.
Jill
Put him Ding.
Quinny
I want it to be Dingle. Whip crack.
Jill
Whip crack is a Ding.
Quinny
Yeah, I don’t, haven’t no.
Dion
Ding. I’ve got a nut.
Quinny
Punch we’re parding.
Jill
Hoopa.
Dion
I don’t. I have no Ding bone.
Quinny
OK, please if you do have a a number, please drop it. Good. There we go. People dropping their numbers in the chat.
Jill
Yeah, so many.
Dion
Yeah, yeah, yeah. How how strong predict anger is that Ding, you’ve gotta give it. A numerical figure. How much Ding? How much Ding?
Quinny
As opposed to? Yeah.
Peta
Is it * ****?
Speaker
Yeah. Is it a?
Jill
Ding or is it a Dong? Is it a? Ding Dong.
Quinny
Luck. Write this.
Dion
Ah, yeah, that’s right folks. We’re two weeks away from just reading things as *****. How big * **** was that?
Quinny
Weeks. We’re minutes.
Speaker
Quinny
Away.
Dion
It’s not that. As a little Ding and end up as. A full Dong.
Jill
I’m feeling like Ding is somewhere between like 70 to 90. And then a. Dong is like 90 to 100.
Speaker
Right.
Jill
It’s like a Ding Dong.
Quinny
Unless it’s like all the way to. 100 minutes.
Jill
Bang Perfect 100 Dang.
Quinny
Perfect. Dang. Yeah. OK, **** we have.
Jill
I like this new. System. I’m definitely in the Ding territory.
Speaker 4
Jill
Wish I wish. It was a Dong but. Gonna go. I’m gonna go 82.
Quinny
Speaker
Nice.
Jill
Yeah, it wasn’t the most. Phenomenal movie, but. I had a lot of fun. I enjoyed all the characters and I enjoyed liking more. Of the characters. Yeah, yeah. Having my mind changed about characters in the. It’s done a good job.
Quinny
And and that’s a pretty impressive thing to be able to do because like there is at least one character in there who changing your mind on on that guy, he’s an impressive ******* turn around.
Jill
I vehemently hated him, but now I just love to hate him because he’s still a bloody mimbo.
Quinny
Yeah. Yes, but now he’s our member.
Jill
Remember, yeah.
Quinny
Hey, do you have a numerical Ding Dong Dang or though?
Peta
My numerical Ding. But yeah, I I I enjoyed it and I don’t have a lot of like. Straight up complaining to do about it.
Dion
But why? Why?
Peta
Well, there weren’t that many, but. Wise as a thing or you know, they they skirted that edge of like. I am having too much fun to ask and I know that some things in these worlds are ridiculous and that you haven’t tried to over explain it to me and therefore I’m willing to. Let it slide. Like and, that’s the thing with about why? Like Budweiser get worse sometimes when you try to explain ****, I might just don’t explain it and we’re fine. So I didn’t. I didn’t get distracted by any Budweiser or anything like that. So I say 888888 nice round round figures visually pleasing.
Quinny
Nice.
Jill
Yeah.
Quinny
Yeah, the right curves get all the right, yeah.
Jill
Ding a Ling Ding a Ling.
Peta
And and I look I I. Enjoyed that, it said. What it said. I I feel like it really skirted that line of being on the nose. Without feeling like it was too on the nose. Hmm. Because it’s not like it. Like, it’s not like it’s a hidden message. It’s definitely an overt. Like message but it didn’t feel like you’re kind of like grown. Thanks for the message guys.
Jill
Yeah, it wasn’t a PSA kind of.
Peta
Situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And. And, you know, I like, I like that. I like that. That’s where it went. And I wasn’t expecting it to go there.
Jill
After school special.
Quinny
Yeah, I’m. I’m up with you there, Pete. I like first watch. I I really enjoyed life a lot. Had a good, good time with the character second, which I actually got more from it and, you know, saw a few bits and bobs here and there that I went, oh, OK, nice. But. Yeah, really engage with characters and. And. Realize that that it’s been quite a while that since I’ve been emotionally invested in the well-being of characters.
Speaker
Yeah.
Quinny
You know, that’s a really nice feeling. You know, I don’t necessarily. Need them to be flying all around the screen with laser blasts and stuff like that, but if you can show me a bit where my where the character that I’ve I’ve become, you know, really engage. With is in actual peril emotionally. Oh yeah. Thanks. I’ll. I’ll. I’ll take five more of those. Thanks. So, yeah, 89 from me. Actually. I really got a lot out of it and. I think it’s a surprisingly good film. 36 movies deep mate good hat.
Dion
You gotta you gotta find a little bit of the the gems after digging through so much ******* dirt.
Quinny
True, it’s.
Dion
True, it’s true. I mean, you know, but what are you after here? 36 is a long series of movies to come out about 1 ******* property.
Jill
Yeah, they can’t be all. Killer no.
Dion
Yeah, not not, not. Not every James Bond film is great.
Jill
Oh Roger Moore.
Dion
There’s one. But funny, but funnily enough. Funnily enough, every single fast and furious is just a masterpiece. Let’s go watch a bit about you later explaining why she’s having a lot of depressive episodes.
Speaker 2
No, there’s something wrong with me. And emptiness. I thought it started when my sister died, but. Now it feels like something bigger.
Speaker
Just the.
Speaker 2
Void. Or maybe I’m just bored. Boo. Assignment. This. Oh wait, hang on.
Speaker 1
Yeah.
Speaker 2
Assignment is complete.
Dion
The assignment is complete and we are more complete now. Ohh, hang on. I gotta put on. This little bit of spoilery little bit on those.
Quinny
Yeah, you better put some spoilery business there.
Dion
Moving around so that it fits around between people. There we go. Great.
Jill
I’m sure everybody knows this by now, but Florence Pugh did that stunt of jumping off the tallest building in Malaysia.
Speaker 2
Mm-hmm.
Jill
Not just her, but also her stunt women, and they all got into the Guinness World Records for. Doing.
Quinny
It ohh ****. I didn’t know they did the Guinness record. That’s amazing all.
Dion
The wire holding their Guinea pig. Amazing. I just don’t know. Holy ****. What is flirt Florence Pugh starting to take lessons from the Tom Cruise world of acting. Like I’ll just do that. I don’t know.
Quinny
Yes.
Jill
I really need to be with her. She’s like, I like heights and I wanted to do it so. Sure, there was a **** ton of paperwork and liability closure she had to. She had to sign, but yeah.
Speaker
Yeah.
Quinny
I watched some of the the like they did a little special on on that whole sequence and everything and like.
Speaker
Yeah.
Quinny
You look at. It and you’re like, **** me. That’s a long way up. And she just off she goes. And you’re like, hmm. **** as it was saying, just during the clip, she is just act well. You deal and said she’s acting rings around. People, but like she is so holding this movie.
Speaker
Hmm.
Quinny
Like she is very, very much the the the linchpin movie star. I heard another podcast saying that, you know, if you’re in IMAX, your face is 4, you know, four stories high.
Speaker
Hmm.
Quinny
You know you we see the micro expressions we see the micro emotions and she was. Yeah. Really, really impressive.
Jill
Yeah. I mean, I think so many people connected with her in the Black Widow film. So I think it was a smart move to put her in the lead for this one.
Quinny
It’s fine. I’ve loved her. Black Widow loved her more in Hawkeye. Just the the whole thing with her and. Kate Kate Bishop.
Jill
Yep.
Dion
Yeah. I mean, I think I think one of the things that’s interesting about Thunderbolts and the thing that I wasn’t expecting was that even though we’ve been introduced to that character, Elena, and she’s kind of the one that we’re following through Thunderbolts as a journey. And then you figure out it’s like she’s not really having too much of A hero’s journey. That you’re really invested in what she does because you can see how much she, how sad she is because even though all of this stuff has happened, she’s established this character now where I’m in this, she feels like the audience. I feel like her character is us, the audience who is like.
Speaker
Ohh yeah.
Dion
I’ve been watching these things now since I was a child and now I’m an adult. Or, you know, I had small kids who have grown all the way up now. So where, where do I sit? Is this something that I’m going to keep doing? Where? How do I find the joy in it again? And I really, I got that kind of metaphor of it going. I’m the audience. I’m Florence Pugh. I’m watching this going I’m bored with all this. I hate all of it. What’s the point of doing this anymore? And then by the? End of it I. Was like I can watch some more of this. I I get that now they’ve tried. They’ve made a point here. You know, collectively we’re Better Together and maybe these movies are going to be Better Together and then they just drop in the future of it and everyone was like.
Jill
Yeah.
Dion
OK, one more.
Quinny
Maybe two more, maybe 2, maybe 2, maybe.
Dion
More.
Peta
One or two more. Come on, yeah.
Dion
Three, maybe 3, maybe 5, I can do 5, I can do 5 Max 5 Max, you know?
Quinny
6 of twins.
Peta
But I think that’s also like that’s, you know, the fact that it felt to me structurally a lot like the First Avengers movie, is that kind of like, OK, I’m feeling like you, you’re kind of getting what you loved initially about the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but. Like refreshed a little bit and in in a way that kind of feels more appropriate to the world we’re living in at the. Moment.
Quinny
Hmm.
Peta
So if we can kind of, you know, stay with that kind of storytelling that kind of, you know, tried and true like super character LED not. You know, treat us like we’re not stupid as an audience kind of storytelling, then, you know, maybe there’s you. You kind of feel like a bit more, a bit of the trust returns, I suppose in the franchise, yeah.
Quinny
There’s life. Old girl, yes.
Peta
I I would, I’d say, did any of you guys feel a call back to the to the? Daredevil hallway fight scene.
Quinny
Oh yeah.
Peta
Yes, alright. Yeah.
Quinny
The bit of that and a little bit of the old boy, which is I think as much as anything, what Daredevil was, was kind of referencing, but you know, single shot flight scene from interesting. Cool with very impressive choreo like loved it.
Peta
Yeah, I super spoiler.
Quinny
Look, we’re in spoil the territory. So where where we’re at, yeah.
Peta
I don’t know if I’ve ever seen one of these big blocks blockbuster movies where the Big Bad is defeated by a group hug.
Dion
But refreshing. Do you know why? Cause it wasn’t a sky beam? Yes.
Quinny
It wasn’t somebody having to do some massive, you know, sacrifice and throwing themselves into a sky beam to suddenly stop the destruction of so.
Dion
Yeah. You know, I mean, they kind of did that. I mean, I really like the, the sacrifice just came a lot earlier in the piece before the resolution came, you know, with your Lena just kind of walking into the darkness that the encroaching darkness that was coming around. And I really like that idea of it. It’s it was not escapable, you know. And as we’re talking about it, it’s Bob who’s the sentry and also the void.
Speaker
Hmm.
Dion
You know, and the void is that evil character that is such a creeping void, and that is exactly what. That is, it’s depression, it’s depression, it’s dread. It’s it’s a, it’s an all-encompassing thing that stops you from being able to do anything else, cause you get sorely swallowed by it like it is literally a mental health better for and it did it really well because it just introduced it very slowly and very subtly. Like kind of like how depression.
Quinny
He’s.
Speaker
Hmm. MHM.
Dion
Works. It does not just burst through the door and goes rise. You know, it just kind of.
Quinny
It’s there and and goes hand in hand in a lot of cases with cause. I mean we we sort of look at void and say, OK, well there’s there’s your classic sort of depression. But in fact century Slash Bob is is very much bipolar that you know he’s all about being the golden.
Dion
I like how it was handled.
Quinny
God and feeling invincible and feeling omnipresent and omnipotent. Full and. Then. That has to come with some kind of other side and like it. Yeah. As you were saying, Pete, the the conceptual horror of that villain slash not a villain. Is pretty. You know, it hits pretty hard for a lot of people, I think. UM. Yeah, sorry I I am still down one of my favorite lines in the entire thing where Yelena says something. Oh, you know, just hanging out in shame rooms and. And then Bucky shows up and he’s like, how are you? I’m great.
Jill
Yeah, my past is fine, so I’m OK.
Quinny
That a line that everybody who seen the you know, the rest of the month is is just like ohh God, what has he been going through?
Jill
The winter salsa.
Dion
What’s everyone been doing? Just hanging out in our own personal Hells?
Peta
But it is kind of it’s nice to have Bucky back where he feels like he belongs because the the whole senator thing did not feel.
Speaker 2
Hmm.
Jill
Congress.
Peta
It didn’t track the congressman thing, just didn’t feel like it was tracking for that.
Jill
No, it’s weird. Well, when when? When your boyfriend abandons you? To go back to his ex-girlfriend like. What do you do with your? Life do you do? I guess so.
Quinny
What politics?
Dion
Yeah, but then you also know that he’s like, you know, not technically gone, cause he’s probably just retired somewhere, so, you know. He’s not technically dead, really, he.
Jill
He’s living on the moon, apparently, yeah, but he’s also a geriatric.
Quinny
Totally.
Dion
Well, I mean, this is the thing. the Super soldier serum should keep you alive and much longer. So he may be 100, but he can still do push-ups and stuff.
Jill
Did you forget? What happened at the end of the game?
Dion
Yeah, I know I can’t. Fine. No, no, I don’t think I will.
Jill
Anyway, just a bit where John took the syrup.
Quinny
Yeah, no, he’s at the middle of Falcon and The Winter Soldier. He takes the.
Dion
That was in.
Jill
I completely forgot that.
Quinny
Syrup. In fact, that’s part of the reason he does go a bit crazy and then kill the guy with the shield.
Speaker
wow
Dion
Yeah, it’s road rage. It’s road rage. Yeah.
Jill
Wow, too many ******* things.
Dion
I mean, yeah, the thing. That I actually quite liked about this is after the century, like ***** up his shield.
Speaker
The shield Taco and.
Dion
To shield Tucker. But then when they did that, like skip ahead bit for the post, post post credit secrets, it’s. Still not fixed.
Jill
It was not the only one strong enough to put it back, like even his super soldier juice, Bucky, super soldier juice couldn’t. Bend it out again.
Quinny
I guess so.
Jill
Super soldiers actually like Alexia and Bucky, and on and neither of them can straighten out of Vibranium shield.
Quinny
Yeah, there’s three super shift.
Dion
You you would have thought that you would have thought that someone in Wakanda could have just organized that considering that literally manufacture stuff out of, you know, couldn’t they just send him a new one?
Jill
You’ll attack her.
Peta
Yeah, well, like I. Feel like there might be, you know, some, like, internal politics happening in the world because these were kind of, you know, supporting The Avengers or is it the kind is?
Quinny
Well, yeah.
Jill
What if for the new events? What if the shield is not?
Quinny
The kind of supporting. Avengers.
Peta
Ohh what if?
Quinny
Vibranium. What if it’s?
Jill
It’s that. No. What if it’s adamantium?
Peta
Well then then.
Quinny
Ah.
Dion
Then there’s shitloads of it, and then we get Wolverine.
Peta
To turn up well, I was gonna say some. Somebody has to be able to do something without about him. Otherwise, how does it end up in Wolf? Or like, you know, the rules of the world? I don’t know.
Quinny
Uh.
Dion
They’re just. They just gotta wait till wait till Magneto shows up and he can just fix. That and look at.
Speaker
Him just. Yep.
Jill
Yeah.
Quinny
Yeah, I would watch that. There were, there were a lot of things in there that are very, very dark, but there’s lovely moments of light. The post credit sequences, though. My what a joy. I’m all down, and apparently they were actually shot and directed.
Speaker
Uh.
Quinny
By the Russo brothers.
Jill
Ohh OK.
Quinny
On the set. Of doomsday.
Jill
That makes sense. Makes sense.
Quinny
Yeah. So, yeah, they they were shot like less than two weeks ago, which is terrifying.
Dion
So now, now it’s just like. And no, no, that we’re in spoiler territory. And this isn’t actually a spoiler. This is just fan theory about the information that we got based on these post credit scene.
Jill
Mm-hmm.
Dion
Now the extra dimensional Fantastic Four. Maybe appears I don’t know. Does this how we get Doctor Doom in this universe as well does?
Speaker
Mm-hmm.
Jill
See, this is my theory as well. Now that we’ve established multiverses, I’m thinking Fantastic Four is shot in period in another dimension and I feel like whatever circumstances occur in that.
Dion
He come in.
Jill
Film at the end of it, something happens and they get shot into another dimension into this period and this is how we get the Fantastic Four and all of The Avengers in a movie.
Quinny
And the X-Men, because we’ve seen the the we’ve seen the chairs, yeah.
Jill
That doctor doom. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Quinny
I think there’s. Yeah. It’ll be interesting to see.
Dion
As long as Patrick Stewart doesn’t go anywhere, so everyone is just like.
Jill
Don’t jinx it, dude.
Speaker
I’m sure now.
Jill
Everything.
Quinny
Yes, so interesting thing and and my biggest like I’ve I’ve really enjoyed the film as we’ve talked about my biggest bugbear about this thing is not the film itself. It is what’s happened in the marketing since the films come out.
Jill
Oh my God. I know, right? Like, give people a chance to watch the ******* movie before you start changing all your branding.
Quinny
Literally, they gave it the opening.
Jill
Weekend. Ohh crap.
Quinny
The opening weekend and then on, I think the Monday, possibly the Sunday, I’m not sure they changed the branding.
Jill
Jesus.
Quinny
And now, apparently, most of the billboards are now going to be changing. But the like, what I’m worried about now, because I actually think it, as I said to somebody, it’s like it’s the best gag in the film. Yeah. Like, it is literally the tag at the end of the film. And then you’ve just gone, hey, we’ve been calling this movie Thunderbolt.
Jill
Yeah. You guys.
Speaker
Asterisk.
Quinny
Yeah. **** you. You don’t get the the joy of the last gag. We’re going to tell you, because now that the movie is now called New Avengers. So.
Peta
Yeah, that’s a surprising and weird move.
Jill
I just. It’s like when Lego releases.
Dion
No, I don’t.
Jill
Their sense before the ******* movie comes out. And spoils everything.
Quinny
Yeah, yeah, but this was clearly a planned thing to go. OK, we’re releasing this, you know, because it’s always been a Thunderbolt asterisk. The intent was always to do this. And you’re like,
Dion
Hey.
Speaker 1
Yeah, but I don’t.
Speaker 2
Jill
Know. Give it. Give it a couple of weeks.
Quinny
Yeah, yeah.
Dion
I mean, they’re just gonna get overshadowed as soon as a Fantastic Four show up. Anyway, yeah. Like, I mean, you know, in terms of superhero teams, the new Avengers is this kind of like great placeholder. Now give me the X-Men. Give me the fantastic give me. Give me the rest of it. I don’t need this ****.
Quinny
I and I do love it because the new Avengers in the comics were also kind of like really OK. You know who are the newer?
Jill
I just loved in the the end scene where Bucky comes in, he’s like Oh well, Sam’s like gonna sue us for the name because he’s starting his own Avengers. And apparently, you know, he’s got the rights. To it.
Dion
I love that. It’s great. Also got. The shield and that’s 90%. Of it.
Quinny
Yeah, I’ve got a few. Yours is a Taco.
Jill
So we’re going. To have The Avengers and the new. Then.
Dion
I mean, I I I really hope I really. I really hope they keep Val on that whole control slash marketing thing. And then finally we’re gonna get things like the West Coast Avengers, the Great Lakes Avengers. Ah, which is just.
Quinny
The new Avengers.
Jill
So create like.
Quinny
Something there. Thanks.
Dion
Ohh yeah, they they they exist. That’s a real team. That’s got squirrel girl. She leads the Great Lakes Avengers. Cute.
Quinny
Ohh that’s yeah, I would love to see she Hulk show up and turn up for one of The Avengers teams, but this is the thing we’ve. We’ve, you know.
Jill
Well, she’s a West Coast girlie.
Quinny
She is a West. Coast and I’m pretty sure, yeah.
Jill
Yeah, her Ant man.
Quinny
It would be fun to see West Coast Avengers, the new Avengers, the All New Coco Avengers.
Jill
Unless. Unless sand leads the young Avengers. What if he puts together?
Quinny
Well.
Jill
The young Avengers.
Quinny
Cause that we have certainly been building a a young Avengers type team and I thought that’s where they were going but this.
Speaker
Hmm.
Dion
Go deeper. Cuts. We get the new Warriors in.
Quinny
Like.
Speaker 1
Oh.
Quinny
Jesus and now Peter’s starting to glaze. So an interesting thing.
Peta
I’m just trying to live in the universe that I’m being given right now, guys.
Quinny
Interesting thing that I I was reading I didn’t know and I’m not sure like this is apparently canonical to the comics, whether it’s actually but Yelena in the comics is canonically asexual. And yeah, and I was. I could actually say. That like cause I was I was. Kind of glad of the fact that the relationship with her and Bob didn’t feel necessarily like a romantic thing at all. It felt like people who needed to.
Jill
Romeo.
Quinny
Help each other. But yeah, I was like, OK, that may be what it is in the comics, but also movie universe **** only know. You know, these are very different beasts.
Jill
Yeah.
Dion
Ohh look is there is there anything on the spoilery about this? I mean it was it was good. I mean, I like the fact that. The the film went in different directions. Than I expected when I walked in and I came out of it going actually, that was fine as long as I kept keep that self deprecating sense of humor. In the future, they will create a a point of difference.
Quinny
Oh.
Dion
In this Marvel Universe.
Quinny
Karina brings up a good point that is quite a big yeah. Sorry I didn’t mean to step on your point. You’re.
Speaker
Ohh.
Quinny
Right.
Dion
I got it.
Quinny
The yeah. So let’s pour one out for taskmaster.
Jill
Yeah, that’s kind of disappointing.
Quinny
Hmm. Yeah, less than 5 minutes on screen.
Dion
Yeah. I mean.
Jill
Yeah, strange choice.
Speaker 1
Hmm.
Jill
Did they think? Ohh we’ve got too many women. We’d better kill one.
Quinny
I I did say to somebody why I think they like, because they also said if you’d taken ghost out of the film, nothing would have changed. It wouldn’t have affected the film at all. And I was like, yes, but you actually have to have characters for it. No. Like, yeah, you, you you have to have a team.
Jill
He’s like the new Avengers can’t. Be 3 people.
Quinny
Yeah, they have. They have to have a team. They have to have a dynamic, but also taskmaster I think needed to be there from a story structure perspective to say, OK, people can die. Hmm. It then gives you the question mark of. Will one of these other ones die? Is there a possibility? I mean, probably not. Yeah.
Peta
I had no memory of Taskmaster or ghosts from the previous films, so I was just like, oh, I did. I just didn’t remember that character. So I was just kind of like, I feel like I’m supposed to care about this person, and I’m pretty sure I’d know them from somewhere, but Oh well.
Speaker 1
Hmm.
Speaker
Watch Black Widow.
Jill
Oh.
Speaker
Jill
We weren’t even given a. Chance to care about her to. Be honest. Like we didn’t get a. Chance to care about her in Black Widow.
Quinny
Hmm. Yeah, make.
Jill
Because she was just like a lackey.
Quinny
Yeah. And it’s it is a bit of a shame because Taskmaster in the comics is is kind of a a very cool character who shows up time and time and time again. And in this she had kind of been relegated to, yeah, Lackey, very competent assassin, but with no real character depth.
Jill
Yeah. Yeah. So we never got to kind of explore her at all. And then they just kind of killed her. So it was like ohh wow, OK.
Speaker 1
Hmm.
Quinny
I I mean it did a a pretty good thing of of surprising me like that early in the film was like, oh, ****, OK, they just killed her ****. And I kept on expecting her to come back and she didn’t.
Speaker
Yeah.
Jill
Yeah. Yeah, I was like. Ohh surely they couldn’t have just killed?
Dion
Someone don’t worry, it’s a Marvel film. Eventually she’ll come back just like the comics.
Speaker
Jill
I mean, no one ever really dies.
Dion
No. Then there’ll be a flashback. Something else happened. Maybe it’ll be alternate dimension. Taskmaster. Maybe it’ll be taskmasters.
Quinny
Yeah.
Dion
Does it? Yeah.
Quinny
And then all of it’ll be taskmaster as a dude. And all of those whiny ***** fanboys who were angry that it was a woman who suddenly get their ******* anyway.
Dion
Yeah. Enough about that. I’m excited with this brand new day that we have right now because we have a different kind of government to the one that was represented in this film. Thank goodness. I mean, locally here in Australia, it was.
Quinny
Oh my. Yeah. Yes.
Dion
Good.
Quinny
Yeah. And we have Fantastic Four to look forward to. I did see that a few people saying it’s a bit of a worry when the movie like the movie, actually spoils itself in its own credits. So it’s it’s spoiled, its post credit sequence in its own credits. And I and I did agree, I watched the credits. And then it said Fantastic Four theme by Michael Giacchino.
Jill
Yes, I said the exact same thing.
Peta
To Peter? Yeah. Joe was like, where was the Fantastic Four music? I didn’t hear the Fantastic Four.
Quinny
It was like.
Peta
Music and then.
Dion
Yeah. Hmm. I was fine. Yeah.
Jill
And then, yeah. That’s not that wasn’t the end of the world.
Dion
No. Speaking of the end of the world. The end of the night.
Quinny
As we know it, what’s going on for the?
Dion
Rest of the month’s team.
Jill
It’s anime.
Speaker
Yeah.
Quinny
Yay.
Jill
Anime for the rest of the monkey guys.
Quinny
It’s all anime all the time. Giant eyes and lots. Hero. It’s a it’s a 47.
Peta
I’m so psyched to you guys.
Quinny
You’re not joining in with the rest of anime. You don’t. Want to be a part of anime?
Peta
Selectively, I’ll selectively join in.
Jill
You weep with us.
Dion
There’s a list of animes that we’re watching.
Peta
I like. I like the sound of the one that Jill’s gonna watch.
Jill
Ah, yes, rose of design.
Quinny
Very, very pretty. Yeah, very, very, very pretty.
Dion
Yeah. Next next week we’re doing is the rows of Versailles.
Jill
The rows of Versailles. It is a 2025 animated film. Based off the old 80s rose. Of Versailles anime so.
Peta
Yeah, I’ve really read one of the reboot.
Dion
I love the fact that this. Is this is a reboot? Of of an anime I’ve never. Seen. Yeah, there you go.
Quinny
OK, there’s some of my favorites. I’ve watched vampire Hunter 3D three times, the 70s version, the 80s version and the 2000s.
Jill
Version oh Dang it. What about the Hugh Jackman version?
Quinny
You. We do not speak. Van *******. Film Jesus. Well done, Jill, you have found a new trigger for me.
Speaker
Yes. Yeah.
Jill
Yes, it’s Hugh Jackman’s van Helsing.
Speaker 2
Yeah.
Dion
For the rest of the month, it’s it’s it’s anime heavy as long with whatever comes out that we decide to. About after. Because Andrew’s coming out. Uh, so wrapping up and then what is it? How to train your dragon and then a bunch of other stuff that’s coming. So I’ll just have to look at.
Speaker 1
It’s just.
Quinny
Mm-hmm. There’s all sorts of stuff happening at the moment on teeth and and stuff as well, and new series of you has started, which I’m.
Dion
That’s right. Yeah, destination, Lilo and Stitch the the the second part and the last Mission Impossible film bring her back, which is the horror from the guys who did.
Speaker 1
Or.
Dion
The hand one.
Quinny
Ohh, where the the porcelain hand that you?
Speaker 5
Ohh, that was creepy, yes.
Dion
Yeah. Yeah. Talk to me. Don’t you? Thank you.
Speaker 4
Talk. Talk. Thank you.
Jill
Ohh me, but that was such a good movie.
Dion
Yes.
Peta
Yeah, it’s really interesting in Natural History series coming out, so.
Jill
On the yes, it is reminders.
Quinny
Oh, yeah. What’s what’s what’s? That called Peter.
Peta
Sorry, second plug of the episode. That’s a terrible thing.
Quinny
Peter, if you cannot plug your you, your freaking amazing TV series, Emmy award-winning Peter, who’s also on TikTok, by the way.
Dion
If if yeah.
Peta
If if not.
Dion
Peter.
Peta
It’s a very end joke. Don’t look at me on TikTok. You’re gonna actually find my TikTok doppelganger. Somebody tell me who I look like on TikTok. That made somebody.
Dion
Yeah.
Peta
Stop me and say are. You on TikTok? Yeah.
Dion
Go. Come on, Peter.
Peta
No, I’m not. I’m not. I’m I’m. I’m pretty sure they won’t let me on TikTok because I’m over 35.
Quinny
They’ll let you.
Dion
Come on, Peter. If not plug, then why plug Shaq? Go. What? What is it? Next week. Tell us. Give us your pitch Tuesday next week.
Speaker
Yeah.
Peta
Well, you’re going to switch this off halfway. Through.
Speaker
Yes.
Dion
We’re going to have 1/2 hour show next week. Sorry, Jill.
Quinny
You’ll get through the rows of the.
Peta
She’s on iview so you can watch it after 8 PM, 13th of May, ABC and iview, the Kimberley. It is. It is. It is a show that we made and it’s a long time and I’m very tired and then no, it’s wonderful. It’s it’s a we worked with Mark Cole Smith who you may know from his many film and television appearances but who is also an egg and a man who actually is from. Kimberly and he wrote the show with us and it’s in his voice in the narration, which just kind of just gives it a whole. It’s very different to anything that we’ve. Ever. Made because of that really kind of person, personal element of the storytelling. So yeah, if you’re interested in Natural History, storytelling, if you’re interested in the Kimberley and what is happening over there. Maybe jump on iview and check it out? Definitely after very seriously listening to us talk about whatever anime that we’re watching.
Dion
The the Rose of Versailles. The rows of.
Quinny
This one, the pretty one that looks very nice. Ohh sorry. My eyes are watering really badly.
Dion
Yeah. Yeah, it was a the discussion of all of this beautiful stuff about the Kimberly. It’s just got your emotional.
Quinny
I think so. My eyes just watered in in amazing, even without having seen the show. Pete, I I will assume that it is beautifully shot and is lovely.
Peta
We think so.
Dion
Yeah. Good answer and then and then come back on the 20th for our review of the Kimberley well.
Peta
While I watch in horror.
Speaker
Well, yeah.
Dion
Pain. Strange. Smile going.
Peta
And you guys understand by sometimes I’m like. I just don’t want to be mean to these. People.
Quinny
Why is quinny swearing so much about a shark called the Kimberly?
Peta
It’s so soul destroying when people give us me reviews.
Dion
This review would have been better on TikTok.
Quinny
All right, lovely. So that’s enough. So we’ve got the Rose of Versailles and then later in the month.
Dion
What else have we got? A perfect blue, which I have never seen. So this is gonna be very.
Quinny
It’s all over the years.
Dion
Interesting exactly like.
Jill
Ohh man I am looking forward to rewatching. It so we can.
Dion
Yeah. OK, man. Classic.
Quinny
Talk about it. I’m looking forward to that. And I’m also looking forward to you then also going and watching God watching God.
Dion
I’ve got to go to church.
Quinny
The The the Christopher Nolan one inception.
Dion
Oh. Oh. Right.
Quinny
Because there’s there’s a few sequences from perfect blue that Nolan has said that we’re massively.
Dion
Inspired. Yeah, so I’m looking for I’m gonna say perfect this. It’s the classic. And then at the end of the month. We’re doing Quinn’s choice.
Jill
Wait, Connie, are you talking about Papri?
Quinny
****. It’s paprika. Sorry. Yeah, yeah. Sorry, my bad. My apologies.
Jill
Rico.
Speaker
Was, yeah.
Dion
Jill
The other Satoshi Kon movie.
Quinny
It’s a Satoshi Cohen movie, so I was like, ****, sorry my bad, perfectly amazing. I’m looking forward to watching, rewatching that, cause it’s been a long ******* time since I’ve watched it, but yes, we we end the month on some.
Jill
With Quinn’s trash choice.
Quinny
I I feel like I’m. I’m like if we’re doing anime I am gonna make it as the worst kind of anime that I can. Yeah, it’s called Batman ninja versus Yakuza League.
Jill
As as American as possible.
Dion
I’ve seen like 5. I feel like 5 minutes oh.
Jill
The Ricks of Sword boy.
Quinny
Yeah. Oh, oh, this this while you were doing anything. He studied the sword.
Dion
Amazing it is.
Quinny
Looks terrible and I cannot wait to to height review it like there’s no tomorrow.
Jill
Right.
Dion
So what do we got? It’s like 1 nice new anime, one classic anime and one ******* offspring.
Quinny
Who knows?
Speaker
Yeah.
Jill
I mean, if we didn’t Chuck a. A Westernized one in there, we really talking about anime.
Quinny
I mean, I do feel slightly guilty now and like maybe I should have chosen something that was actually proper animate.
Jill
It’s too late now. It’s on the schedule.
Speaker
No.
Jill
That take taxis.
Dion
Yeah, we can’t amend things as we go. What would what would? We look like if we change things. As we needed to.
Quinny
Yeah, we’ve never done that before. Certainly never changed the night or recording or anything.
Dion
Never done that before. Never done. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for thanks for joining us, everyone. There was a, there was a fun, fun, you know, little look into the Thunderbolts slash the new Avengers slash. Oh my God, it’s coming.
Quinny
Like that.
Dion
And little promo for the Kimberley, which we’re all gonna watch next.
Quinny
Week. Yeah. Congratulations, Pete, on getting another show up onto onto the team.
Speaker
Thank you.
Quinny
Like so. You know, we we make a lot of jokes and **** like that, but also we know exactly how much work you put in and it is a pretty spectacular thing to have a show be going out on our national broadcaster. So yeah, you.
Dion
Yeah, another one.
Peta
So it’s nice to feel like like this one’s different to the ones we’ve. Made. Before, so you know, yeah.
Dion
Yeah. It’s nice, and they’re all banging. So I’m looking forward to.
Jill
Any spawning fish in this one?
Quinny
Yeah.
Peta
No, no spawning fish, but there there is a lot more Natural History than than we would usually have, and some of it’s a bit intense, so hold on to your hats.
Dion
Is it? Does it sometimes venture into unnatural history?
Quinny
Was built by aliens. Yeah, **** yeah.
Jill
What if?
Speaker
Aliens.
Dion
You know, one day I would love to meet Mirror universe, Peter, and they just make like. Like Trash, TV and mail stuff, it’s conspiracy theorist YouTube channel.
Jill
That was, that’s for TikTok.
Quinny
So. Peter.
Dion
She’s got a little. She’s got a little goatee and. Everything.
Quinny
So yeah, that’s that’s who Peter is on. TikTok. She’s she’s the Alex Jones of.
Peta
Oh, God. I mean, look, we do have like Dragons hatching out of X. So there you go. Catch that. Cool.
Quinny
Wait, I’m subtle.
Dion
Excellent.
Speaker
Dion
Thanks everyone. We’re going to head off, have a great week. We’ll see you all next.
Quinny
Ohh thank you.
Dion
Time.
Quinny
Yeah, we we’ll indeed. And I’m gonna go and. We’ll go round. Hex. She’s playing some Red Dead Redemption. Wait. Bye.
Dion
Nice. OK, bye.
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