It’s Ani-May folks, and the first anime film out of the blocks for this month is Jill‘s choice, a feature length re-interpretation of the groundbreaking Shojo Manga (and then Anime series) The Rose of Versailles. Is the modern take as beautiful as the original Manga? Does it feel as opulent as the 1979 Anime? Listen in and find out how we go eating cake and storming the Bastille!

Dion and Quinny are the two princes here before you, and Jill is definitely the Daufin of this podcast!

In the late 18th century, four people meet in Versailles, France and live their respective destinies while being tossed by the tides of the era.

https://youtu.be/JrEPmHZU3Xw

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1979 introduction

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Live action version 1979

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Dion 

Ohh hello and welcome to the periodic Table of Awesome as we dive straight into the first of our season of anime anime. It’s gonna be anime. 

Speaker 2 

I’ve. Definitely gonna be anime. It’s gonna be anime and animated. 

Quinny 

Yeah. And it is. I’m just looking for like a few more lamps and stuff that I could put around me just so I can have. 10 to maybe 20,000 more ice sparkles and highlights. 

Speaker 

Ohh. 

Speaker 2 

The amount of ice sparkles. 

Quinny 

Holy ******* **** I have. 

Dion 

And they just got more. 

Quinny 

Like at one point in time I started to think, OK, are we going to start making their eyes bigger just so we can fit more detail and sparkle in? And then I realized that they weren’t gonna do that. They were just gonna throw extra sparkle at the screen just like. Wherever the **** they felt like it was like you have a spot, you have a. 

Speaker 2 

Pocket Sparkle Pocket Sparkle pocket sparkle. 

Speaker 5 

Spock. 

jill 

I have to tell you. It was so pleasing because it’s very true to the manga. 

Dion 

I mean, we’ll get there. We’ll get there. 

Speaker 2 

Next. Sorry, what are we talking about this for? This one? For our very first one. 

jill 

It is. There’s no para or Rosa versa. 

Speaker 2 

Rose, of Versailles, which is an interesting choice. Thank you, Jill, for your choice. 

jill 

You’re welcome. 

Speaker 2 

For. Annie May because it is both classic and new anime. 

Speaker 

hmm 

Speaker 2 

If that makes sense because I did not know its rich history until I looked into after after it, after I watched the anime which is available right now. 

jill 

Oh yes. 

Dion 

Netflix on the Netflix absolutely on the Netflix. 

jill 

Isn’t it? Yeah, you got. Sound yeah. 

Speaker 2 

Sure. Where is it ****. 

Speaker 5 

Hold on. I’ll do it. There you go. I’ll do it. 

Speaker 2 

I don’t like my. There we go there. 

Speaker 5 

There we go. Nice. 

Speaker 2 

There’s got in there. All right. OK, finally. Yeah, which is available for on Netflix right now. But when Jill, please, history of should we go into the history of the rows of the site and then we’ll get into the proper review quickly. So you can. 

Speaker 

Yes. 

Speaker 2 

Do your ship accents synopsis? No need your ****, accent, synopsis. But there’s just one that you’re not allowed to. 

Quinny 

Ohh, you know I’m I’m happy to to hand over to you. 

Speaker 2 

Do. 

Speaker 7 

What’s this I think? 

Quinny 

And which one might that be? 

jill 

I was just saying when you weren’t allowed to do when we did. 

Dion 

The Shogun think about that one, Jill. 

Quinny 

Oh, I even learned a phrase from you, Jill. He talking about those. 

jill 

Ohh, ******* let’s go. Let’s ohh. I should have figured Ronnie Kenshin. That’s my favorite. 

Speaker 2 

That’s OK. No, no, that’s that’s OK. 

Quinny 

Uh-huh. Yeah, unfortunately, we’re, we’re, we’re we’re here with doing the right accents. The not racist accents. And Jill tell us about Rosa versa. 

Dion 

That’s it. 

Speaker 

Sure. 

Speaker 5 

Hi. 

jill 

Well, there is a Versailles is uh based on a a manga that was first published in 1972. 

Quinny 

jill 

Yeah. So she’s old. She’s old. And an anime series came out in 1979. So still quite an old series. Yeah, it came about during a very significant era in Shojo manga where they were really switching the focus to more complex narratives and love stories. 

Quinny 

Like ****, right? 

Speaker 2 

Quick question, what surgery? 

jill 

Shojo manga Shojo is girls manga. So like specifically just for for women and girls, very feminine stories, as opposed to Shonen Manga, which is boys manga, which is all action and adventure stories. 

Speaker 

Ah. 

Quinny 

Run and jump and and those kind. 

jill 

Exactly, yeah. 

Speaker 2 

Of and the band shown a shine. A knife? Yes. 

jill 

So back in the old days, like girls, manga was was a little bit more kid friendly. I guess you would say so during like the feminist era of the 60s and 70s, we saw like a wave of shojo manga becoming more adolescent or young adult. Focused with more complex storylines and romances, Sapphic undertones as well as heterosexual romance stories. And really, Roosevelt, I kind of set the bar for shojo. Like all the sparkly eyes and the beautiful roses in the background and like, catch lights and all that kind of stuff. 

Dion 

So much. 

Speaker 

Lighting. 

jill 

Yeah. Yeah, it’s it’s such an iconic motif for the series. And I loved seeing that reflected in this movie. Yeah, Rosa Versi really walked, so Sailor Moon could fight evil by moonlight. 

Quinny 

Because that’s kind of where I was sort of feeling like, you know, that knowing the history is also interesting because like I I went looking to find clips and stuff of of Rosa Vasai and some of the clips that I found. Were like they were weirdly kind of tagged as like hot clip or very sexy or something. And they were from the original 1970s one. And and I was like ohh she. Oh, right. OK. So this has existed before was popular over time. That also was quite, I mean by the looks of it. Sexy, you know. 

jill 

Yeah. Yeah, like it’s it’s. 

Quinny 

Not necessarily pure and innocent and and child. 

jill 

No, I would call it like. Softcore ***********, you know, like it’s it’s racy for teenagers. 

Speaker 2 

Right. It’s like Vaseline. Lens ***********. It’s kind of like. It’s like. 

Quinny 

As opposed to Vaseline on the hand ***********, which is. 

Speaker 2 

Yeah, yeah, yeah. On the, on the lens there. 

Quinny 

Different. 

Speaker 2 

You go, that’s. That you’re getting, yeah. 

jill 

Yeah, very definitely. Like night in shining armor, maidens, damsels, that kind of stuff. And like, besides the the historic setting, it kind of evolved a lot into, like, high school settings. The down the track to to to appeal. 

Speaker 

So. 

Quinny 

So. 

jill 

To the audience. 

Quinny 

So Rosa Versari was sort of not like a a leader of of a lot of period piece kind of anime. It was just the one that, that, that people latched onto and then. The they showed you stuff morphed into more teenage high school stories and stuff like that. 

jill 

This was kind of like the pivot point like this was the one that really like set the bar the rider was in to communism and like left wing politics, that kind of stuff. So the the revolution setting. Kind of spoke to them and that’s what they decided to write about. But it was, yeah, a pivot point in terms of storytelling with, like, political elements and romance and that kind of stuff. 

Speaker 2 

So it’s the question that I sort of have, which is like, that’s fascinating because it has this very interesting history, especially about the, the the concept of. You know this manga going into anime and its history goes all the way back to the 70s, before people really understood it. And then you we still get this, this story that comes out where it is all very much like, let’s look at the beauty of things. Let’s put romanticised images everywhere. Let’s make every kind of. Frame a picture frame window like. Let’s make some very strange directorial choices throughout the anime. 

Quinny 

Yep. Are you talking? 

Speaker 5 

About. 

Speaker 2 

Let’s let’s. 

jill 

You say strange, I say. Ohh look at this, isn’t. That beautiful, it’s it’s classical shoujo anime. 

Speaker 2 

Yeah, I I have a little bit of that was like, uh, excellent, like getting into the like kind of like, of course there’d be a stupid cut to that. Of course, this would look like the star children. Of course. That’s a Pegasus with weird eyes like. 

Quinny 

Like they’re they’re definitely sort of some some choices that like, you know. It’s it’s not sticking. Directly to the time period it it does kind of go off into flights of fantasy. 

Speaker 8 

It is flattered. 

Speaker 2 

Of fantasy, it has nothing to do with Marine Twitter and the French Revolution. 

jill 

And on which time period are we? Talking French revolutionary time period or the 70s? 

Quinny 

Well, OK, it makes a lot more sense if it’s like, hey, here’s some cool 70s weird ****. It’s like you just had sex with this person. Here’s a glowing Pegasus and an entire universe full of happiness. 

Speaker 

Sure. 

Quinny 

And you’re like ******* what? OK. OK, cool. 

Speaker 2 

I mean, you know what? Look, you could say that like this has as much to do with the French Revolution as the Mercado does to fuel Japan. Like, come on, it’s it’s fun. But I love that it’s a it’s a reverse. On the tropes, so it is a Japanese interpretation of European history. But just throwing kind of crazy **** at the wall. Not for the time, I reckon I’m going to call it for the time, but it was a little bit. It was a little bit risky, a little bit crazy. 

jill 

It is like overly romanticised, but then could you not say that Victor Hugo’s lay miss was also a romanticised view on the same period? 

Speaker 2 

Sure, like you cannot. Disparage, either because they were, they were very important. I mean, I just love that. It just had that one little trope that I I kind of like in all anime is the main characters are easy to spot because they have eye highlights. 

Speaker 5 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

And and. 

jill 

All their hair is brighter than everyone else’s. 

Speaker 2 

Yeah, yes, yes. But mainly the eye highlights, because if they’re even in the background and you see there’s one character with slightly larger eyes with lots of highlights and you go, that person’s gonna be important in. 

Speaker 7 

Yes. Yes. 

Speaker 2 

Files 4-5 now. 

jill 

The more highlights you have the, the higher you are on the call sheet, yeah. 

Speaker 2 

Status. 

Quinny 

I love. Well, I mean, you’ve gotta go into makeup so much earlier to get all that **** put in your eyes. 

Speaker 

I love. 

Speaker 2 

Like the Marie Antoinette character just just turns up with the biggest ******* eyes that you’ve ever seen. And you’re like, well, obviously she’s the important one. And and really. 

Quinny 

And and and I do love that, Louis. The Louis. The 15th, isn’t it? Or 16th. The king. Her husband? No. I highlight it all. 16th. Sorry. Yeah. No, I highlighted it. Completely uninteresting, dude. 

jill 

The king at. Went yeah, yeah. Oh, he was 16, yeah. 

Speaker 2 

Yeah. 

jill 

Yeah, yeah. He was a very boring man. 

Quinny 

Plain as ****, kind of dumpy, and it’s just like you are not the the romantic lead in this story. I’m sorry, Sir. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

You do not have a single eye highlight. 

Dion 

Didn’t the real Louis the 16th have? 

Speaker 2 

Like a ******* of mistresses. 

jill 

Yeah, they’re really throws stones in this one, yeah. 

Quinny 

Yeah. Yeah, the woman is the one who. 

Speaker 8 

Right. 

Speaker 2 

Is wrong. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I’m. 

Dion 

Pretty sure that he was ******* a lot of things. 

Speaker 2 

Not just the bookish. Good. 

jill 

And should we get to the synopsis people? 

Speaker 2 

We should definitely get into this. We we in fact. 

jill 

We get more about what we’re. 

Speaker 2 

Talking. Need some? Do you need some background? 

Quinny 

Music. I would love some background music, and as our chat is very quiet tonight, I’m going to go with shift French. 

Speaker 2 

Perfect. I love shift fridge. 

Quinny 

And I let me see if I can completely **** ** some names here. So my apologies. In the late 18th century, four people Oscar Francois de Georges and Jean genre General, who is right, is a woman raised as a man. Marie Antoinette, the daughter of Austrian Empress that he is destined to become queen. Andre Grandier, Oscars childhood friend, and Hans Axel von Thursting because he is so ******* thirsting. 

jill 

Ohh yeah, he was thirsty. 

Quinny 

Yeah. Who is a Swedish aristocrat? They meet in Versailles. Beautiful. In France and live their respective destinies whilst being tossed by the tides of the era. 

Speaker 5 

Command you. 

Speaker 2 

What are we talking about? This is. This is really what is the title of this film. 

Speaker 5 

The Rose of Versailles. 

Speaker 2 

Ah, that’s. 

Speaker 5 

Yes, yes, there you go. 

Quinny 

That is, I’m I apologize that that was probably more Lumiere than. 

Speaker 5 

As the dishes, they’re French. 

Dion 

So. 

jill 

And Ewan McGregor live action Lumiere. 

Speaker 5 

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. 

jill 

As well. 

Quinny 

So half Scottish and struggling with the accent? Sorry Ewan struggling. 

Speaker 2 

This one is a 2025 Netflix release, but it’s a is it? A Toho production. To her next. Yeah, so it’s somewhat affiliated, but it is an adapter, a recent adaptation, and it is quite interesting to me because I didn’t feel like I was watching a recent 2025 adaptation. I felt like I was watching a 70s. May. Like and that was kind of like a very stylistic choice. You know, mainly because the person I was watching it with was just like, what is this? This looks terrible. This is horrible. And I was like, just from the style, like the view kind of thing like this looks terrible and scratchy. And I’m like, this is literally how they were. They were going for this. And I think they looked, they kind of knocked it out of the park with trying to make that sort of classic anime. 

Speaker 

Sure. 

Quinny 

Yeah. 

Speaker 5 

Yeah. 

jill 

Yeah. I mean, if you’re not familiar with anime, could be very alien to watch a cartoon like. This. 

Speaker 2 

Yeah, I mean, it had all those really great things, which was the, you know, the overdone background plates that are kind of very painterly. And then the very kind of. Focus on the figure, not so much on the, you know, animation of the speech and what they do, but more about their facial expressions, which is always has to have the big eyes and the, you know, embarrassed movements. 

Quinny 

But I will say this one really leans in on the design. Like this is an anime that is all about the costume. It’s all about the location, the, the design, the absolute. Over the top, you know, over design of everything and like you could very easily look at it and go, oh, it’s it’s just, you know, it’s it’s sort of replicating your 70s vibe or whatever. But this is like there’s been so much time, so much effort put into the artwork here. And also I did note that it wasn’t like a lot of anime these days where they’ve. Really just 3D animated some characters and whacked a filter over the top of it rotoscoped and and there you go. This was proper. No ******* around 2D animation all the way through and I was. Very impressed actually by that. 

jill 

Yeah, I’m. I’m glad they kind of stuck with their design choices and the style because I don’t think you could do this anime without being overly. 

Quinny 

jill 

Like the opulence of Versailles at the time is like the epitome of like shojo mega from the 70s like. 

Speaker 7 

It is over done there. 

jill 

Is decorations on everything. We we have 50 million catch lights in the eyes like I think if you did anything but that it would be extremely disappointing. 

Speaker 5 

Yeah. 

jill 

Especially for old fans. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

Yeah. So have you. Have you watched much of the 70s one, Joe? 

jill 

I have it. No, not at all. But I’m very familiar with the manga in the style because it was such a a keystone for for shoujo manga. And like, yeah, everything that came after. 

Speaker 2 

Yes. 

Dion 

And of course. 

Speaker 2 

If you’re going to do a like an animation based on ******* facade, which was, you know, literally the thing that caused a revolution because of the opulence of it, you can’t **** it up. I mean, you can’t, but like, you just have to go over the top and that’s what I kind of like. 

Quinny 

Hmm. 

Speaker 2 

It is. It is all kind of turned to 11 on this which. Which is. Crazy costumes, like every character, like the every character, is kind of in a slightly different costume the whole time. 

Quinny 

That alone, yeah, that would have taken so many ******* hours of. 

Speaker 2 

Yeah, it’s just designed different wigs. Well, they’re in this now, like, you know, and crazy music that pops in out of nowhere. It turns into a musical at half or sometimes it’s just painterly, postcard things where they like, well, just chuckle this in. No, that’s Art Nouveau and like Mucha style. It’s like. Sure. That’s broke. Yeah, yeah, that’s broke. We’ll just throw that in there. 

Quinny 

If it ain’t Baroque, then I fix it. 

Speaker 2 

Yeah, and. And then you know, and also just just takes great risks, which was like one of the things I thought was quite funny in the story, like it was just, you know, it’s like, oh, yeah. 

Speaker 5 

I’m sorry, jokes. 

Speaker 2 

Three years later. And then they just. Kept moving. Like wait, what, like just just time skipping around? What the **** are you? Guys doing but hey. 

jill 

Look, I have to tell you that kind of stuff caught me by surprise as well. Cause. Yeah, I mean, it was a serialised manga and it was a like a series of anime. So to cut it into a 2 hour movie, I thought. 

Quinny 

Ohh really? 

jill 

You know, we would just get a chunk of the storyline, but this felt like more of an abridged retelling of the full story. So yeah, the chopping and the motifs and the montages in like, the first half did feel a little bit disjointed for me. I feel like there could have been a smoother. Transition through those rather than having like a. 

Speaker 7 

Music break and. 

jill 

And a moment to just like kind. 

Speaker 1 

Of. 

jill 

Expositionary tell a story without having to spend so much time actually doing that narratively. But then we kind of just get to a point where they do tell a big chunk of the story, and that’s really where I think it. Found its groove. 

Quinny 

It. Yeah, I I kind of found myself. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

A little uncertain to begin with as to who I was actually kind of the most invested in because you start by telling the story very much about Marie Antoinette. Yeah. You know, and she’s kind of. Her her perspective on things and you kind of think, OK, she’s going to be our lead character. 

Speaker 

Hmm. 

Quinny 

And then yeah, somewhere around that time, skip, it’s like, oh, actually, no, she she’s actually over here doing all of her **** ****. Now we’re focusing on this person, and it becomes Oscar’s story. And I I wasn’t sure, actually, whether or not we were gonna maybe do that again. Maybe we’re going to change our perspective again and possibly by means of a musical number. I wasn’t expecting a musical. 

jill 

Yeah, I when one of the main characters started breaking out the song. I was like hang. On we’ve, we’ve. Gone away again from the the musical numbers to change your scene and now a character is. Actually singing. 

Quinny 

Hmm. Yeah. And. And because I I was sort of actually jumping back and forwards between English and and uh Japanese. Because some of the time I was doing something like I was cooking and so I I couldn’t be reading Subs while I was cooking, so. 

jill 

Ohh OK. 

Speaker 2 

You weren’t. You weren’t locked in. Now you should have been. Where? Where the where? The where? The sub. Not Dub Club here, quince. 

Quinny 

I and but at. Same time. I I know. The English dub’s surprisingly good. Yeah. Yeah, I. 

Speaker 2 

Quinny 

Was like wow. That was pretty much on on point. 

Speaker 2 

If you watch some of the English sub because I sorry dub because I watch full sub. When they did the songs, was it in that half Japanese, occasional English, or was it all in? 

Quinny 

English songs or in English? 

Speaker 2 

Interesting. OK, I kind of want to go back and listen to the songs a little. 

Quinny 

Hmm. Bit now and and it. It is really interesting because suddenly and and as you said. Well, there’s there’s, like, there’s different kinds of musical numbers. Like, there’s ones that are the start that are kind of. I guess that very anime thing where it’s like, OK, there’s a musical number that people are are feeling their feelings. And here’s a music that is going with it and then suddenly somewhere in the middle it does shift and then the characters are singing their feelings. And it’s not just a pop song playing while they feel ****. Suddenly they’re singing. To each other, or they’re singing about each other and you’re like, ohh, well ******* OK. What are we doing here? And then there was a bit later on, which I was like, oh ****, we. Actually are doing lane this. 

jill 

**** yes. Oh my God. Some of these songs were very like, ohh. If you’re, if you squint real hard. It sounds like lame years, and there was even a number where they had, like, a masquerade in Versailles. And I’m like, oh, this is exactly. 

Speaker 

Yes. 

jill 

Actually, a a fan of the opera RIP off. 

Speaker 2 

Speak, speak. Have No Fear, though, for anyone who’s watching it. Don’t worry. No one gets in a giant. Mech suit in this anime. It is very much the. 

jill 

That’s what it was missing. That’s how you. 

Quinny 

Other way? Yeah. Marie gets into a mech. 

Speaker 5 

Suit. And she’s like, let them eat cake. 

Speaker 7 

I thought, Oh well, the battle. 

jill 

Of Bastille would have been over really quickly. 

Quinny 

Mecca Antoinette. Whether the walls of the Bastille actually fold down and suddenly there’s batteries of of giant ******* missiles and stuff like that, it’s a very surprising ending. 

Speaker 1 

Yeah. 

Dion 

Vendors and extra. 

Speaker 2 

It’s thinking of all the music there. Was there a favorite song or a bit that you guys had, or a memorable song? I mean, I’ll go first. Masquerade was the one that I kind of went. That’s actually quite catchy. I didn’t mind one. 

Speaker 5 

Yeah. 

jill 

Yeah, that was the Phantom RIP off like those lyrics were like definitely 50%. 

Speaker 8 

Yeah, yeah. 

Speaker 5 

Mm-hmm. Yep. 

Speaker 2 

But it was it was. It was. It was kind of fun. I mean, all of the music was was hilarious because I was watching it mainly in Japanese. And then there were always like a lines or two of English that were. 

Quinny 

It was quite catchy. 

Speaker 2 

In there and God bless it, it was. 

jill 

Yeah, it’s just the trendy thing to do. 

Speaker 2 

It was sung. It was sung like, you know, in pitch and tone and everything. But there was just no emotion. You could hear the emotion when the Japanese was being sung. But when the English would be sung, I was like, there is nothing in that. And you just said something kind of important. That’s. 

Quinny 

Yeah. 

Speaker 2 

Weird that feels. Strange. Just should have kept with Japanese, you know. 

Quinny 

Yeah. 

jill 

I do feel like a lot of the musical numbers was the same tune, but the words were different. Yeah, because they all the songs did kind of. 

Dion 

Hmm. 

jill 

Sound the same to be honest. 

Quinny 

Yeah, I was perhaps hoping for a little bit more kind of variety cause the first one or two they were, they were different enough and I was like, oh, OK, right. And then I started to kind of go, OK musical number again, which for me. 

jill 

Yeah, I mean, yeah. Yeah, and it sounded like the same one from before, but now the words are. Different. 

Quinny 

Yeah, and and for me, who is a musical nerd? Like, if you say to me Marie Antoinette. Story anime musical like there’s at least two of those things that I’m like **** yeah, and. One that I’m like. And yeah, the unfortunately the musical side of it probably was the thing that didn’t work particularly well for me. 

jill 

I mean, there was so much that you could have conveyed tonally if you had, like, put in a bit more. Effort with the music. 

Quinny 

Yeah. 

Speaker 2 

I mean. I look, I found it very long. 

jill 

Yeah, I was surprised to. 

Speaker 

And. 

jill 

At the 2 hour run. Time. 

Speaker 2 

And then after your 6th or 7th 1st, you’ve just gotta you’re just kind of getting there going. So why are the characters still here? Like you know, they tried to kind of get in there about the French Revolution and, you know, those kind of Communist ideals that you were talking about earlier deal because of the, the, the, the central. Left that the author was about and they were. They came through quite heavily by the end. But yeah, like all of the like, Oh my God, I’m pining for you. And you’re pining for me. And I can’t be with you. And I can’t be with you and. Blah blah blah and blah blah blah. And what if we get together? 

Quinny 

I will leave and I will never marry you. But I’ll marry somebody else if I can tell me that I can always plan for you. And we’ll never, ever have sex. 

Speaker 2 

Oh, they were banging. Come on. That was the whole point is that they all was like, I can’t. Like, I can’t. We were not allowed to touch. And then everyone’s like they were totally ******* for like a month. 

Quinny 

Yeah. 

Speaker 2 

But that just wasn’t on screen. 

Quinny 

They’re like ohh but I am the king and I I trust you with. My lack of eye lights and. 

Speaker 2 

I mean, I gotta say though, like, do you know one of the characters that I sympathize with that I didn’t think I would sympathize with was Marie Antoinette? 

jill 

Oh. 

Speaker 2 

Interesting. Interesting. Because when like there’s later. 

Speaker 

Speaker 2 

On in the film, I don’t know if should be in the spoiler section or. 

Quinny 

Am I? 

Dion 

Should we? We having a spoiler section. I’m not quite sure. 

jill 

Can you spoil a story that is? 

Dion 

I mean, we all know. 

jill 

200 and 5300 years old. 

Speaker 2 

I mean we all we all know she gets that. But in this one, the interesting thing I thought about was when. Marie into it was monologuing to Oscar late. Much later, towards the end of it, and she was talking and defending her kind of actions about the things that she was doing going, you know, basically like, **** the paws, but she never actually says the infamous line. Let them eat cake or. Anything it’s. No fine. But it was interesting, actually explained when I got here. I was literally a ******* child of 14. 

Speaker 

Hmm. 

Speaker 2 

I didn’t know what I was doing. I was just having so much fun in this crazy kind of thing, and now I’m a, you know, a woman who’s had children and gone through their life. And do I not deserve happiness? 

Speaker 

Mm-hmm. 

Speaker 2 

You know, do I not want, like, am I not allowed to have love and do all this kind of stuff? And that was actually a surprisingly. 

Quinny 

Hmm. 

Speaker 2 

Human. Conversation that I was like ohh they actually try to go for the you should feel sorry for Marie Antoinette. But she also kind of said **** the Poors. 

Quinny 

And and and then there’s also the bit where Marie Antoinette is also gambling heavily and drinking heavily with all of. Friends on the the the backs of the the poverty stricken people of. France. And it’s kind of like she is not, you know, it’s not just that let them eat cake. It is like I am gonna party away. And, you know, my opulence is the thing that is is. 

Dion 

We we all. 

Quinny 

Literally. 

Speaker 2 

Know if the poor’s had the money. Then they just like, waste it. Why didn’t? Why didn’t it go to Mary? She was doing a good job with it. 

Quinny 

You know, she knew how to have a good party. That is very true. 

Speaker 2 

She she was. She was putting tariffs on Russia. 

jill 

I I do find her. Her argument compelling in that scene deal like you did as well. But I don’t feel like we got enough time with her to to justify it or to yeah to empathise with it as much. And I think that was kind of the downside. 

Speaker 2 

Sure. 

jill 

Of. The movie, I think if we had had like a reboot series and we could explore that a little bit more over like 1215 episodes, then sure. 

Quinny 

I think you’re right because the the shift to Oscar is your main protagonist. Suddenly means that. Yeah, like any plot threads that were were kicking on with Marie and and von Thurston kind of get. Sort of just left in the background because now we’ve got a new character that we’re trying to tell the. Story of but also. There’s a part of me that. Found that Oscar was. The Stoicism and the. Just got to do what I’ve. Got to do and. Everything like doesn’t. Perhaps make I know it’s a trope, but it didn’t make her as interesting to talk to to, you know, engage with and yeah. 

jill 

No, but that’s the romantic part of the character. 

Quinny 

I know and This is why it showed Joe, not shonen. 

Dion 

Yes. 

Speaker 7 

Exactly every woman wants to stoic partner. 

jill 

They want to be the one that breaks them. 

Dion 

And if and if. 

Speaker 2 

That was reversed and it was. Oscar was a man. Man in that it would just be like that person is so devoted to their duty, you know, that’s what makes them great. They just can’t. And like, even though they want to, we know and it’s like, no, this is really a nice trope turn. 

jill 

But that’s why the story is also Sapphic, because they got the the girls that are reading this that are yearning for Oscar. As well and. Like you know, maybe they’re going to question themselves. 

Speaker 5 

I got. 

jill 

Later in life. 

Speaker 2 

Ohh yeah, I got super heavy Sapphic vibes from the start of it going. Ohh yeah. Oscar and Mary Antoinette are gonna have this torrid love affair and then it. 

Quinny 

Oh yeah. 

Dion 

Kind of. 

Speaker 5 

I was waiting for it. The. Sue. 

Speaker 2 

It just fizzled out and I was like, oh, that was a bit dull. Like, I wanted to know about, like, you know, you know, I wanted to marry into a not secret lover who’s a woman, but captain of the guard I. Was like. Yeah, sweet. That sounds like a fun trope change, but did they do that? No, it was always like just men. 

Speaker 7 

Hmm. 

Quinny 

Yeah. Yeah, I honestly thought that’s where it was going. But also, you know. 

Speaker 2 

Again. 

Quinny 

Is that because I’m? 

Speaker 5 

Just like, yeah, show me where the hot chicks are. 

Speaker 2 

No. Only if you’re waiting for them to. Should like show it directly or being like, Oh yeah, that’s the only that’s kept me interested. 

Speaker 5 

I’m waiting for the six scene. 

Quinny 

Thanks no. 

Speaker 2 

Yeah, I was supposed to be watching this for. 

jill 

No, sorry. You only get rainbow silhouettes. 

Speaker 2 

Yeah, and pegasi. 

Quinny 

The Rainbow Pegasus sex thing where, like what? Was whatever you said. You know, chat was like he’s turned into a sparkly vampire. 

Speaker 2 

Ohh yeah, they were like upside down rainbow vampire and I was like whoa. 

Dion 

Ohh he’s going. 

Speaker 2 

On like I love it. I’m with you. Like, let’s go. But like, what the ****? 

Quinny 

Like the point, the point you brought up earlier and I can’t remember who was that said Mocha. Was it you down? Yeah. Yeah, right. There’s some beautiful design work. Like the like when we’re talking about it going weird and rainbow unicorns and sparkly vampires and **** like that. That is also accompanied. 

Speaker 2 

A lot of that. 

jill 

It was down. 

Speaker 

Hmm. 

Quinny 

In some cases, buy some gorgeous ******* design. Hmm. Like where they’re they’re framing the characters in this beautiful Art Nouveau. Sort of, yeah. Photo picture frame kind of stuff. Yeah, that is reminiscent of of Mocha and and a lot of that kind of stuff. And it’s it is stunning. And I can’t imagine. I will ever see a film that is this insistent on being beautiful like it. It just insists that you look at it and go. 

jill 

Hmm. 

Quinny 

God, You Beautiful thing. 

Speaker 2 

I mean, it’s true. Like, I was watching the whole thing going, you know, this is this is this is style over substance kind of I mean has a really substantive message I thought like across it but also it’s mainly like but it’s. 

Dion 

1st. 

Speaker 2 

You know, it’s like we need to see a ballroom scene or someone needs to come in. A new opulent dress. Let’s talk about Jules. Isn’t this lovely? Now, just throw rose petals at the ******* screen. Like, yes. It was kind of fun. 

Quinny 

And it was like the the the opulence of I kind of. Started to get into. 

Speaker 2 

Yeah. 

jill 

In Japanese, it would say. 

Speaker 7 

It’s it’s squishy. 

Speaker 2 

Speaker 5 

It’s squishy. 

Speaker 7 

That’s good. 

Quinny 

What? What is the meaning of that? Is it it’s it’s beyond kawaii, it’s into it’s. 

jill 

Beautiful. It’s charming. It’s handsome. It’s. 

Speaker 7 

Lovely. Like, think of that. Yeah, it’s it’s busy. 

Speaker 2 

Right. In Australia, we’d call it, we’d. Call it spunky. 

jill 

No, we wouldn’t. 

Quinny 

On no day of the week, we refer to this unless maybe you’re Kath and Kim. 

Dion 

Ohh yeah ohh you’re. 

jill 

Maybe it’s funk. 

Quinny 

A hill? Ohh. He’s a he’s an. It’s a cushy kind of guy. God. It’s the vibe. It’s I. Yeah, it was long. Like I there were. There were a few times where I was like, **** me. This is this is got a lot of story to tell. 

Speaker 2 

Print. 

jill 

Yeah, we probably could have chopped half an hour if we just focused on like Oscar from the start and left Mario’s a background character then. Sure, maybe. But the whole thing is like those two were the. 

Quinny 

Hmm. 

jill 

Mean protagonists from the series. So yeah, maybe not as successful as a a dual story. 

Speaker 5 

Yeah. 

Speaker 

Hey. 

Speaker 2 

Point. I mean it clocks in just under two hours and that’s a lot for anything really. 

Speaker 8 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

Unless it’s a superhero film and then they’ll go 2 hours. And 20. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Speaker 2 

Yeah, but at least they have fights, and there might be a giant robot in. This one it’s. 

Speaker 7 

Haven’t. 

Speaker 2 

There was a fight in this. One you gotta like? Yeah, yeah. 

Quinny 

I was gonna say you got a battle sequence. There was some fighting. There’s. 

Speaker 2 

Some blood. Yeah. You got a battle sequence you got. You got a you got. An angry poor mob. 

Quinny 

Every time you call somebody a poor, it starts to make me wonder what side of the of the wall you need to be on when the revolution comes. 

Speaker 2 

Guess what? I just keep referring to him as the pause. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah, you’re. 

jill 

Looking down at the barricades or are? 

Speaker 2 

You behind them and wherever is advantageous. I’m just. I’m. I’m like the CIA. I watch the rich people and the poor people. I’m just throwing weapons to each side going. Go on. Yeah. 

Speaker 5 

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Quinny 

Monsieur, to nadiem. There’s you’re. You’re lame is you’re. You’re the master of the house guy. 

Speaker 

Uh. 

Dion 

Well. 

Quinny 

Yeah, I I buy. 

jill 

Certainly. 

Quinny 

It. Yeah. Look, I’m. I’m actually kind of intrigued to now go and have a look at the the 70s one. 

jill 

Hmm. 

Quinny 

Because the the little bit that I saw was very 70s like it was the opening sequence of the of the show and so slow. Yeah, it obviously had beautiful music with it and everything like that. But I was just like, ohh wow, this is this is definitely animation from a different period. We’re going to slowly pan up things that are. Have 4 frames of animation repeated because this is how we fill our time but. But yeah, like I could see that there was a a feeling of of the same kind of desire for beauty there. But. Also the like it had the same sort of kind of 70s colour palette of things like, you know, the original devil man and stuff like quite dark and surprisingly kind. Of. Heavy line work. 

Speaker 

MMM. 

Quinny 

And if the if, there’s one thing I’ve noticed that as you know, time has gone on in in anime, especially just with high def and everything. Is that the line working animation has just gotten lighter and lighter and lighter to the point where you know it’s it’s so fine and that’s why I think this this one is so beautiful because. It’s it’s. Broke but light. It’s it’s very difficult to. Explain. 

Speaker 2 

You liked it, though. 

Quinny 

I did. I mean I. 

Speaker 2 

Even if you were watching the stub instead of this. 

Speaker 5 

The stone one stupid, stupid, the stupid. 

Quinny 

I I feel like such a class trader. I’m sorry. I’m going to have. To give back my weed. 

Speaker 2 

I know, I know, I know what side you’ll be on in. 

Quinny 

The revolution I’ll be I won’t be reading, so I’ll be able to run away faster. Won’t be tripping over those two inch tall. 

Speaker 2 

Stumbling. I’m actually very interested in going and finding out Lady Oscar. Did you know of that one? 

Speaker 5 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

So is there a historical context to that character? 

Speaker 5 

The. 

Speaker 2 

No. This is the film adapt to the live action film adaptation from 1979, where they took that story and they filmed it live. 

jill 

Oh. There you. 

Speaker 2 

Go in a a French Japanese Co production. So there you go. No lady. 

Quinny 

Oh wow, yeah. And as soon as you look at the picture. You’re like, holy ****, that’s that’s. 

Speaker 2 

Yeah, no, Oscar is not a real historical character. Sorry. 

Quinny 

Very definitely is. OK, thank you. I I just wanted to double check. 

Speaker 2 

There, there was no female captain of the guard who was a revolutionary and a cool person. It is 100% made-up. 

Quinny 

Right. 

jill 

I mean, which is a shame, because it would have been ******* cool. 

Quinny 

Yeah, absolutely. And I love the idea of of this, this woman who is accepted and respected by, you know, society. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

In, in an ostensibly not not a trans space, but in a in a space that says this is a man’s area, and because your family has said, well, we don’t have a man. So you’re a man now. She’s gone. Well, I’m going to ******* run with it. And yeah, I I I think it’s a cool story. I actually really liked the story and I was kind of hoping there may have been some element of truth to it. Now I really want to find the trailer for Lady Oscar because the images of it did. Did you ever see the the movie of Popeye? 

jill 

Oh, maybe a very long time ago. 

Speaker 5 

Yeah. 

Speaker 2 

Robin Williams. 

Quinny 

Yeah. Robin Williams is Popeye. So the the images have a bit of that like super, super over saturated color and a kind of feeling of like this was a very bad week. 

Speaker 

Yes. 

Quinny 

But I kind of want to check it out so when this podcast actually comes out, make sure you go and look at the website, because if I can find a trailer, that sure as **** is. Going on the. 

Speaker 2 

Website. Ohh yeah, **** yeah you can. 

Quinny 

Yeah, sweet. Should should we do a rating of some description? 

Speaker 2 

You’ll be able to. 

jill 

Yes, yes. 

Speaker 2 

Sure. Yes you can and you can understand find that I’m. I want to see it now too. I’ve. I’ve queued up right here, but not for this. Just just for later. 

Quinny 

Excellent. 

Speaker 2 

You know, but we’ll check it, I think. 

Quinny 

Wrong. So I’m I I’m gonna. I’m gonna start because I found it. I find it hard to actually write because I realized that, you know, a lot of my predilections about not being a big anime fan. Came back with this one with the Vengeance cause I’m like, OK, that pacing thing, the, the fascination with slow shots and long pans and stuff like that. 

Speaker 5 

I was like but. 

Quinny 

There was so much that my eye was just constantly zigzagging all over that ******* screen that I I found it almost exhausting. Look, it’s it. I think it’s 70 from me. 

Speaker 2 

That’s low. That’s so low quinnie it. 

Speaker 5 

Like. 

Quinny 

It’s pretty, but the story is broken and like you know, it’s not broken, but it it’s it’s disjointed. And I wasn’t able to really get on board with the characters as because I probably would like to. 

Speaker 2 

Much like your Internet connections. 

Quinny 

Sorry. 

Speaker 2 

It’s just much like your Internet connection tonight is just. 

Speaker 5 

What’s that ****? ****. 

Quinny 

Because my my Internet connection connected to the wrong ******* Internet again. 

jill 

We we got everything we heard you. 

Speaker 2 

It was earnest, but not not connected. 

Quinny 

Ernest. OK good, I. OK. Anyway, so yeah, there’s a 70 from me and now I’m going to try and change my Internet. 

Speaker 2 

Julie, do you have? 

Dion 

Give it. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah, I’m gonna. 

jill 

Give it an 85 ohm. I am a long time anime fan. I loved seeing a historical moment, not just in terms of the story, but also like the genre. It’s really the mother of Shojo manga. And without it, I wouldn’t have Sailor Moon and so. Well, I owe a lot to Rosa Versaille. It was 100%. It’s cushy, and I almost every moment, and I shed a tear at the end. It was emotional and it got me the points off are definitely for the disjointed storytelling I. Yeah, first half was like all over the place, but when it got its stride, it told a really strong story and I wish it had been as strong all the way through. 

Speaker 2 

Sure. Yeah, look. Look, I had to say I I kind of went into the distance I’ve come into anime like this go. Sure. **** it, we’ll just do anime. Whatever. That’ll be fine. Not really. 

Speaker 5 

You did choose this. Yeah. Well, no, we. 

Speaker 2 

All collectively agreed to anime. It’s just the type of anime I’m really happy we’ve got 3 distinct choices, which is this one, which I’m gonna say is classical traditional anime. 

Speaker 1 

Yeah. 

Speaker 2 

Which is amazing. 

Speaker 1 

Hmm. 

Speaker 2 

Thing because it just drew drew me all the way back into like, the first time I was watching anime and this was like, Oh yeah, this is what this was about. And to know that it’s a new story, telling the in the classic way and having all of that history will, which is fascinating. If you go into it down the rabbit hole of where this sort of came from, what the influences were. What it why it was such a big hit and it still kind of ticks boxes today for people. It’s a fascinating 1 to sort of look. So I kind of liked it in the film. I I’d probably head towards maybe the 70 mark, but because I think it has all of that interesting. I’m going to raise back up to like 80 because also I went with the ridiculousness of it. Like, I mean, it is ridiculous, but it’s it’s kind of like I was watching it going. This is kind of a bingo card for all the anime that I’ve ever seen, which is there’s your eye lights. There’s your weird. Gremlin grandmother character. 

Speaker 7 

Yes. 

Speaker 5 

Oh Oh yeah. 

Speaker 2 

Yeah, yeah, but, but then they also have to have to have a matching fool who’s a kid man, and they have the weird eyes. And then, you know. 

jill 

Yeah, yeah. 

Speaker 2 

And then something surprising that sort of pops out. That’s a bit weird, but this just doubled down on it because it had, like, musicals, postcard imagery, weird time skips, you know, absolutely paying no attention to the timeline and reality whatsoever of the French Revolution. So. 

Quinny 

Yeah, they they did a lovely montage at the end in still images that led up to the. 

Speaker 5 

Guillotine. 

Speaker 2 

Yeah. Yeah, just a shot. 

jill 

I mean they. They didn’t shy away from everyone’s. Head got chopped off so. 

Quinny 

They just didn’t animate. 

Speaker 5 

It they didn’t even sew that. 

Speaker 7 

Yes. Ohh you don’t wanna see that ahead. 

Speaker 5 

I I want to see those ******* eye lights go dark. I can’t. I want to see the light go out. 

Speaker 7 

Catch. Let’s blow you away. Ohh, that’s evil. 

Speaker 2 

Of those eyes I kind of I kind of did at a point though. 

Speaker 7 

Ohh so evil. 

Speaker 2 

Because I was like. Wow. You know Marie Antoinette head should come off and then there should be. A blood fountain. Yeah, kind of anyway. 

jill 

Yeah, you have to like, there’s gonna be like a half second pause and then the guys. Yeah, yeah. 

Speaker 2 

Yeah, yeah. And that’s when the eyelids. 

Quinny 

And and the and the guillotine standing like the guy who pulled the thing standing there in a. 

Speaker 2 

Aye. 

Quinny 

Really cool pose. And then the blood sprays up behind. 

Speaker 2 

Yeah. Yeah. So I’m gonna give it 80. It’s an interesting. 

Speaker 

Like. 

Speaker 2 

Like bit on the shelf to go there to explain that. And I think it’s it’s quite a more valid thing and I learned stuff and I like that when I watch stuff, it’s like, oh, that was interesting. Yeah, also PG rated, so you can totally just give it to anyone. Really. It’s like here watch this anime. 

Quinny 

Yeah. Yeah. Like there’s there’s literally, I think, one sex scene in it that is kind of like. 

Speaker 2 

It’ll be fun. 

jill 

Yeah. And they’re just rainbow silhouettes in the sky. You don’t see anything. 

Speaker 2 

Yeah, up upside down as they come. 

Quinny 

No, there’s there’s, there’s. 

Speaker 2 

In it’s like. How did you get upside down? 

Dion 

jill 

No. Classic anime. No *******. 

Speaker 5 

Oh yeah, yeah. 

Quinny 

****** to be. Found. 

Speaker 2 

Can I ask you? OK, we’ll go to watch a clip, which is in dub because Courtney couldn’t do any of that. 

Speaker 9 

Vision is limited. Paris is dangerous. 

Speaker 1 

We stay together not just for now, but for all time. Those were your words, Oscar. I live as your shadow. Without you, I cannot exist. So take me. We’ll go through hell together. 

Speaker 9 

Andre. Yes. A request, if you would allow me to be selfish, be sure that you never leave my side. Then I. Know. Be strong. 

Speaker 1 

Yes. I swear never to leave your side. 

Speaker 2 

Ohh, of course, that’s where we end up like. The the. 

Quinny 

And I was very pleased that there. Is at least a. Couple of 140 sevens in there. 

Speaker 2 

Yeah. I love those ones too. Yeah, this is so. This is classic. This is a ******* bingo card of anime. And and it’s fun. Like take take it that way. If you’re not really into anime and which is like, oh, this is great. 

Speaker 

The. 

Quinny 

Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and just like, if you, if you love that kind of like the the design of that period, holy **** like this is just like, have another outfit, have another outfit, have some shoes, have a hairdo, have all of the vocal things, but with also that, that anime kind of thing of going we don’t care about gravity. 

Speaker 2 

Feels like hilarious. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah. 

Speaker 2 

Do do you want to know a real vibe on a Google? Search, which I did a little bit. 

Speaker 

What? 

Speaker 2 

Earlier. Which is look up the Rose of Versailles cosplay specifically. 

Speaker 7 

Ohh yeah. 

Speaker 2 

But specifically Japan. Ohh, because it can get. Really, off the chain kind of stuff, especially sometimes. It’s a bit strange because it is very European French Revolution costuming, but not French Revolution people. 

jill 

Yeah. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Speaker 2 

It’s great. This if, if, if if you know guys can walk around and go. I studied the bleed and dress as samurai. Japanese people can 100% run around as if they’re part of the French court. 100. 

Quinny 

Thanks. Right. Interesting thing with this, this one like I sorry I I realized I was gonna ask do we have any spoilers that we need to discuss about it? I I don’t feel like I have. 

Speaker 2 

No, really, I don’t wanna spoil anything. 

jill 

I mean, like my favorite part was when Oscar won over the French Guard. I think, like, I mean. 

Speaker 2 

Hmm, OK. Which time though? 

Speaker 7 

Yeah, not really. 

Speaker 2 

The fight time. Or the OR the. 

Quinny 

Ohh. Won them over in their hearts. 

Speaker 2 

Won over. Yeah. Won them over with the the renunciation of their title. 

jill 

Won them over in their hearts. Gave like that amazing speech and was like, you know, we’re not nobles common. Like I forsake any land title that I own, I am one. Of you like. Yeah. You know, we’re gonna fight for the common people because. We are friends. 

Speaker 7 

And Vivaldi revolution and or France bonsai watching. 

Speaker 

Hmm. 

Speaker 5 

Very confusing. 

Speaker 2 

But it’s good. 

jill 

That was, yeah, it was my favorite moment. 

Speaker 2 

Yeah, it was. 

Quinny 

Yeah. I I I sort of thought, yeah, there there were some great moments there of of real kind of stirring kind of like oh ****. Right. OK. And then yeah, seeing seeing them go into an actual battle sequence and people, people get killed in in pretty spectacular way. He’s like, oh ****. OK, that’s. 

jill 

Yeah. 

Speaker 5 

Nasty. 

Speaker 2 

But not like the traditional anime ways where someone you know does graphic horror and blood fountain. Just remember like it is a PG you know so you know they didn’t. They didn’t go into the true story of how did Louis die? It was from smallpox. 

jill 

Yeah, no. Both fountains. 

Speaker 

Supporting. 

Quinny 

Yeah. So much tuberculosis everywhere. 

Speaker 2 

Yeah. Like, yeah, yeah. I mean, I like I, I’d, I’d. Say it’s good and. I didn’t have an emotional connection to it, but I definitely had a. 

Speaker 5 

I cry. Oh, did you? 

jill 

I did. I cried. 

Quinny 

You cried for Oscar. You cried for. 

jill 

I did. I did. I did. I did cry for Oscar. Yeah, they’re ending. Oh my God, it was so. Sad, but it was. Oh my God. I know what it was giving. It was giving the ******* end of the. Cowboy bebop movie. Holy ****. 

Speaker 5 

Ohh yeah, right. Yep, Yep. 

jill 

Yeah. And so same kind of. 

Quinny 

Vibes. Yeah, I’m. I’m with you because that that is a culture. That’s when I get. 

Speaker 2 

Haven’t haven’t seen the boy. 

Speaker 

People. 

Speaker 7 

Dion, you. Oh. 

Speaker 2 

I watched the full. First season of the Netflix live action? Nope. 

Speaker 5 

The online season. 

Dion 

I just never got around the cowboy bebop. 

jill 

Oh, we got to educate you. 

Quinny 

Ohh man, Cowboy Bebop is probably the last anime series that I watched all the way through and totally lost my **** on which unfortunately is a long time ago. 

jill 

Sure, I’ll do the DVD. 

Speaker 

Lynn. 

jill 

DVD player. 

Speaker 2 

Like. I can only watch them in in dub though. 

Quinny 

The dub is good. 

jill 

Do whatever the **** you like with them. 

Speaker 2 

Can I just watch it on can I? Can I just watch? It on Netflix. 

jill 

Probably have the animated. 

Quinny 

I’m not actually sure. 

Speaker 2 

I don’t know if they still got anymore. What? Sorry. We finished the Rose of Versailles. Anything else we got? 

jill 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

Yeah, yeah. I I just wanted to bring up an interesting thing. So, like something I’ve noticed and I don’t know whether it’s a thing like, so the French. Thing. So the Japan, Japanese, French Co productions this this year or this this year, this week I went down a weird rabbit hole where I started to. So I found out the Asterix series that’s on Netflix. 

jill 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

Just ******* great. And I realized that there was a period in the 70s. Where there was a lot of Co productions between France and Japan, OK. And I was wondering whether or not there there was any history there like whether the two countries had had history. Because I know Japan, sorry, France and and Vietnam obviously that France had owned or you. 

jill 

Yeah, they were like a yeah colony. 

Speaker 5 

Occupied. 

Quinny 

Umm but yeah, I was. I was just sort of went down on a thing going, you know, is there a history there? Because they seem to be oh, no, they worked well together. 

jill 

I mean, they were on opposite sides of. 

Speaker 7 

The war, hmm. 

Quinny 

Yeah, I know. That’s why I. Was like. It’s a weird, weird kind of thing. 

jill 

Yeah. I would say there’s probably not like a historical thing there, but maybe more of an economical thing in terms of animation studios. 

Quinny 

Probably yes. Hmm. 

Speaker 2 

Like you gotta remember, too, that the Europeans always had a. Like there’s the the Asiatic kind of influence and. 

jill 

Ohh, there was the Japanese movement and. Yeah, Europe. 

Speaker 2 

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like there’s there’s heaps of stuff of, like, the art and the design that has crossed over and they’ve found. From the firings? 

jill 

Yeah. I mean, when Japan reopened their borders to the Dutch and then you had a lot of trade going on, yeah. Then that’s when like, the Japanese movement happened in Europe. And it was like, Orientalism was very fetishized and that kind. Of stuff. Yeah, but. 

Speaker 2 

And it’s the. Same kind of way that they’ve done. Back into Japan as well, with like the cutesy skirts and. Like French? 

jill 

Yeah, the Westernized adoption of a lot of culture in Japan as well. So I mean, yeah, it’s a back and forth. It’s just a you want what you can’t have. 

Speaker 2 

Western is kind of. Yeah, well, you know what is foreign to you? Is is fascinating. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. Yeah. We grew up in Australia, where everything is foreign, but like the stuff that is interesting to other countries is born. Come to us like, oh, all of your dangerous animals. Like, oh, that’s just Steve. Hey, it’s the flies. He’s a massive spider. As big as your head. He’s alright. 

Speaker 1 

Hey. 

jill 

But yeah, I think there’s like, there’s a lot of animation studios in France, Korea. Japan. 

Quinny 

Hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I I just remember that there was, like, the mysterious cities of gold, which was written by French people. And I think, I mean, it was all anime animated in in Japan, but. I think there were a couple of others that were either also written in Japan and animated in French as well, so I don’t know. It was just one of those things I was. Like, that’s an interesting thing. Where did that? 

Speaker 2 

Come from and the French you know French love. A good comic and animation like they’re down like it’s a it’s a cultural touchstone of theirs. And so any other culture, though, just grasp onto it. If they’re, you know, it’s like, what have you guys got? We love that. 

Quinny 

Anyway. Well, yes they do. 

Speaker 2 

We do this. 

Quinny 

I think that. Is that’s an interesting point, because France does have the same kind of cultural thing with comics that Japan does that in Japan, manga is is for everybody. It it’s not. You know, there’s no cultural cringe around it. It’s not, you know, something that only are for. 

Speaker 

Mm-hmm. 

Speaker 2 

Kids depends on the section in the store. Anyway, sometimes you’re in the wrong section. You get. 

Speaker 

A weird look. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah. 

jill 

Sometimes those kid ones are in the adult section. 

Speaker 

Quinny 

And then you get an even weird look. 

Speaker 

You do. 

Speaker 2 

And a tap on the shoulder from Mr. Officer. 

Quinny 

That’s interesting. I’m just reading the Studio Ghibli basically exists because the the person who started the studio loves France. OK, yeah, weird anyway. 

Speaker 2 

Next time next. 

Quinny 

Time. 

Dion 

Yes, on anime in in anime. 

Speaker 7 

Next time on the periodic table. 

Speaker 2 

While Jill got a a new classic, there you go. I’m. I’m I’m I’m picking a classic classic that I have never seen. 

jill 

Dan’s going ohh bless. 

Speaker 2 

So next week we’re going to. 

Speaker 5 

Ohh I’m so. 

Speaker 2 

Happy for you doing. I know, right? Like we’re going to be doing. 

jill 

Then we’re going to send you on a full Satoshi Kon deep diet. 

Speaker 5 

Oh, Jesus Christ. Good luck. 

Speaker 2 

Yeah, I look, paprika is fine, but I’m. 

jill 

No Millennium Princess. 

Speaker 2 

Ohh OK yeah yeah, perfect blue, which is gonna be next week and yeah, looking forward to that one. I haven’t. I haven’t. I’m just gonna. 

Speaker 5 

Yes. 

Speaker 2 

Just let it wash over me and do it that kind of way. So go in blind. Haven’t really looked into it. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Speaker 2 

Knew that it was one of those ones. 

jill 

Look, if anybody in the chat is not familiar with perfect blue and you do want to watch it, just a trigger warning for sexual assault, that’s all I’m going. To say yeah. 

Speaker 2 

Good point. Thank you, Jill. Yeah. Yeah, but that one’s we’re gonna having a look at next week and hopefully be able to decipher what that means in our month of and of May. Although this week is very specifically just gearing up till tomorrow night. 

Speaker 7 

Ohh. 

Speaker 5 

Oh, my ******* God. Holy **** God. 

Quinny 

Can can we take a minute to talk about it and or just? 

Speaker 7 

Let’s let’s take a minute. 

Speaker 5 

A tiny bit, no. 

jill 

To talk about Andor, I have to say that last Wednesday’s set of three episodes was the most riveting television. I’ve watched in a very long. 

Quinny 

Holy ******* ****. 

jill 

That was some good ****. 

Speaker 2 

Oh. I mean, I mean, the prequels were better, but. 

Quinny 

Oh my God. When I I think when Jar Jar Binks stood up in front of everybody and said is they’re gonna give extra powers, that was a far better speech than Monmouth’s. 

jill 

Yeah. And when he pulled out? Our. Yeah. And then he pulled out his red lightsaber. 

Speaker 

Yeah, yeah. 

Speaker 2 

Interesting little facts though for and or if anyone was watching it, because there’s been a few different revisionist history things that have run around because these TV show and or has actually established things. Sorry, counteracted things that were established in Canon already. 

jill 

Oh, OK. 

Quinny 

OK, Ohh OK talking about the Gorman massacre. 

Speaker 2 

And but. Yes. Yes, so like, but the interesting thing about it is. 

jill 

Yeah, if you want another ******* French revolutionary tale. 

Speaker 5 

Yeah, I was going to say we. 

Quinny 

Were just just swimming in French revolutions here. 

Speaker 2 

One of the most interesting things was the first meeting of K2. So and Cassian Andor was already explained in the comics. Wait. 

jill 

No one reads the comments. 

Quinny 

Wait Ohh, how actually that turned to me a little bit because that’s the only place I exist. 

Speaker 7 

Yes. 

Speaker 2 

It was a. But there was a throwaway line in at there when he got there. The the general. I can’t remember the the general’s name. When he turns up, he looks at the K2 Droid and just goes. You know, where did you get that? Or I, you know, got that from there he goes. Yeah, we won’t be telling people that. That’s where that came from. And it kind of helps to regret retcon the the the official story is that it’s the comic story, but we all know the truth as the viewers that he actually got it from the Gorman massacre. 

Speaker 5 

Ohh. 

Quinny 

Speaker 2 

So just interesting little ways of doing and also you know how they got one month onto a different ship. After she got off Coruscant, and that was the one in revels. There’s a whole episode devoted to it. They matched seamlessly. 

jill 

Wow. 

Speaker 

Sorry, let me. 

Quinny 

Yeah, that that is pretty ******* cool that you can watch that episode and then pretty much roll straight into the rebels episode. Yeah, and it all all fits and works, I mean. 

Speaker 2 

They’re straight to the rebels one. 

Quinny 

Yeah, like I was. I had a a moment of panic at one point in I think it was the episodes 4-5 and six of of this season where I was like. Is it gonna hit the heights of the first season of vendor? Is it gonna really give me that emotional kick? 

jill 

Yeah, let’s say 4-5 and six would probably the the middling bit until we definitely rose up again. 

Speaker 2 

They were just, they were just, they were just the tense ones where there was a bunch of **** going on. But we got like 4-5 and six gave us Mon Mothma getting drunk and dancing. 

jill 

Yeah, 789. 

Quinny 

No, that was 1-2 and three, was it? Yep, end of episode 6. 

jill 

That was 1. Yeah. 

Speaker 2 

Oh, yeah, you’re right. You’re. Yeah, you’re right. So, no, the, the the clock on the dial. Yes, it did. 

Quinny 

4-5 and six did give us. Cyril. Bed though. 

jill 

Disassociating. 

Speaker 2 

Reading it just like just a session and and trying. To get the listening device out of the artwork. 

Quinny 

That’s right, yeah. 

Speaker 2 

Yeah, we should just. 

Speaker 7 

Like. 

Speaker 5 

Lonnie, you’re gonna have to ******* help me, Lonnie. 

jill 

Listen, when you get your hair done. 

Quinny 

But yeah. 

Speaker 5 

I do. I I. 

Quinny 

Find it so bizarre that Luther. ‘S giving up on the hairpiece. 

jill 

Comes in guys. 

Quinny 

Yeah, but yeah, I’m. I’m very, very excited for these last few episodes. It has just been spectacular ******* TV. 

Speaker 2 

I mean knowing that. It’s going to be total party kill. For Rogue one, you just kind of. Like ohh ****. 

Quinny 

I mean already like, you know, they said that the that this season of Endor is going to kind of recontextualise Rogue 1 and in a way it already has like there are so many things that you just go ohh that is actually even sadder now, that’s pretty ******* rough sheet. 

Speaker 

Hmm. 

Speaker 2 

I’m actually gonna say my favorite bit of the last three episodes was the. Look on Genevieve O’reilly’s face that she acts when Cassian shoots her driver on the way out and it like it is. But it’s it’s perfect for the character because that character has just realised fun. 

Speaker 5 

Oh. 

Speaker 

Look. 

Speaker 2 

It’s death like this is what this has all been about. Like, you know, she just watched someone that she’d known for a long time, even though that it was an obvious imperial spy. She hadn’t been confronted with the reality of. 

Speaker 5 

Hmm. 

Speaker 2 

The. Rebellion. Yeah, this is good to me. 

jill 

Yeah, that whole panic at the Senate. Episode was really good. 

Speaker 

Well. 

Quinny 

After the the the massacre where I was like, holy ****, that was so tense and it was such a massive ******* thing. I I was kind of like, well, where do you go from here? I didn’t. Expect. Giving a speech and then getting away would be as tense, if not more so. Yeah, I was like, holy ****. 

jill 

So yeah, how do we feel about Uncle Jimmy Smith’s not being in the series cause he was busy? 

Speaker 2 

jill 

Yes, me too. 

Quinny 

Jimmy Smith is in his 70s. 

Speaker 5 

Benjamin. 

jill 

Benjamin Bratt’s, like five years younger than Jimmy Smiths. 

Quinny 

Hmm. True. 

Speaker 2 

Ohh, maybe he’s drinking from the same fountain as Paul Rudd. 

Quinny 

It’s OK. OK. Sorry. He’s 69. Jim. Jimmy Spencer, 69 these days. But also, apparently he has Alzheimer’s. Oh. Oh, which I mean, I’m not entirely sure whether that’s at the point where it’s affecting his ability to work, but yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well. 

Speaker 2 

You know, they make these decisions if they wanted to make it work, they would have made it work. It’s OK, I’m happy to let that one go. 

Quinny 

Well, I mean, yeah, they very specifically said that they had to because it was a conflict of work. Yeah. And you’re not gonna hold off on shooting. For one person, I guess. 

Speaker 2 

No, sorry, you can’t. Especially like a side dish story now you know, Bail Organa is not exactly 1 of the heroes of the first these series of films, are they? 

Quinny 

Hmm, no. But I mean, there’s always that thing of going knowing. Who? You know, continuity is a lovely thing. 

Speaker 2 

Yeah, but if Sebastian Stan turned up as Luke and it wasn’t Mark Hamill. Would you be annoyed? 

Quinny 

I think Jill would be fine. 

Speaker 7 

No, but I’m like with Jimmy. 

Speaker 2 

Look, it’s fine. Yeah. Yeah, very, very, very, very excited to go through a quick question before we run off again, apart from non Star Wars one, have you all been keeping up with the Last of Us, how you? 

jill 

I know then that’s fine. 

Speaker 2 

Going with that, I’m just about to watch. 

jill 

I haven’t seen this weeks 1. 

Speaker 2 

The. 

Quinny 

Next episode saying. 

Dion 

Speaker 2 

Speaker 

Hmm. 

Speaker 2 

Not. There and it’s like it’s going to be fine if you’re invested in. The character in the story. 

jill 

Yeah, it should be. Never heard of. A flashback. 

Speaker 

Thank you. 

Speaker 2 

Yeah. Also like if this is just confirming one thing is like I never want to go to Seattle. 

Quinny 

What? Like yeah, Seattle’s not a nice place again. 

Speaker 2 

Not a nice place, apparently. Like, you know, after the you know, post apocalypse, but makes me think, well, all those people had to be there first. Yeah. True. Yeah, yeah. 

jill 

The birthplace of Starbucks. 

Speaker 2 

And Nirvana. 

jill 

Hmm. 

Quinny 

There you go. Yeah. 

Speaker 

All right. 

Speaker 2 

Ohh might have brought it down there. Jill. Jesus. 

Quinny 

All the really important things. 

jill 

The Grey’s Anatomy. 

Speaker 2 

Never seen it. 

Speaker 7 

Sure. 

Speaker 2 

Wow, it’s definitely been on in my. Household, but I’ve never really watched. 

Speaker 5 

All right. 

Quinny 

I just opened up my window. Uh that I’ve been watching Netflix on in the background at one point and. It’s a a. Shot of Rose of Versailles and it is just flowers and eye lines and sparkles. And a little. Bit of a it’s just I was like. 

Speaker 5 

Oh my God, it’s just everything. 

Speaker 2 

That’s what that is. 

Speaker 

Yes. 

Quinny 

I I love and respect you, rose of the side. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Speaker 2 

Well, thanks. Thank you. Thanks and thanks to the people in chat. Thank you. Pretty kanga and thank you, Terry. Joining us, dropping in and saying hello, we’re going to go now and you guys should go watch the Last of Us and get on to that and I’m going to go and prepare myself for tomorrow’s 3 episodes of end. 

Quinny 

Hey, thanks for. 

Speaker 

And. 

Speaker 5 

Yes. 

Speaker 2 

Or. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Speaker 2 

By also queuing up Rogue one straight after, yeah. 

Quinny 

Yeah, I do kind of want to do that, but I’ve also found. I’ve realised that. This starting end or at the wrong time means that you end very late. And I don’t want to be half. Asleep for it. 

Speaker 2 

Just call in sick on Thursday. OK. My plan. What are you doing? I’m having. I’ve got PA syndrome. 

Quinny 

Pre and or post, amble, post and or. 

Speaker 2 

And Orson, I’ve got pas. 

Quinny 

I’m sorry I’m a little BB white today. I did love that there are so many people who are like, what the **** does babe, why me and. And. You know what? Fair enough. 

jill 

Yeah. 

Speaker 2 

He’s, he’s that Droid from the. 

jill 

Yeah, I was like. This is his his baby. Why 3? 

Speaker 2 

Ohh dear. 

Quinny 

We love baby. Why? He’s our favorite. 

Speaker 2 

He’s the best. 

Dion 

Speaker 5 

Roll off. 

Speaker 

Right.