9 Years ago (BBY?) Rogue One was released and a lot of people enjoyed the darker, more serious take on the Star Wars universe. However it felt like an outlier, and for many it didn’t fit in with everything else in that galaxy Far Far away.

3 years ago Andor was released. It was show many thought was unnecessary, exploring the backstory of a secondary character many hadn’t really embraced. “nobody asked for this” was a regular comment. Oh how that attitude was to change upon it’s release!

Today, the two seasons of Andor are a high water-mark for not just Star Wars, but TV dramas in general. And they way that they have re-contextualised Rogue One is nothing short of revalatory.

In this podcast we look back at the two seasons of the show, and then dig down looking for the deep substrate foliated calcite at the heart of these shows and movies.

Dion is our rogueish hero, Jill is the far less creepy non-cgi Leia at the end of Rogue One and Quinny is definitely the Glub Shitto of this podcast.

this story follows Cassian Andor, a thief and mercenary, five years before Rogue One. He’s seeking his sister, Kerri, and becomes involved in the nascent rebellion against the Empire after killing two security guards. He then seeks refuge on Ferrix, where he and his friend Bix are drawn into a black market deal involving an Imperial tech unit. Season two then spans the intervening 5 years leading up to the events of the movie which will ultimately dovetail into Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope

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Season 1

https://youtu.be/cKOegEuCcfw?si=6L9FjIENd6osOwDU

Season 2

https://youtu.be/AE4wxt70aUM?si=2Qi0IuJiqa1DFu-L

Rogue One

https://youtu.be/frdj1zb9sMY?si=KGy9FgH5tJMEK_kE

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Transcript 

Speaker 

Spice. Several tears. 

Speaker 1 

Assassins. 

Speaker 2 

Well done, terrible things on behalf of the rebellion. 

Speaker 1 

Cassie and Ender. No matter what you tell me or tell yourself, you’ll ultimately die fighting these ********. Wouldn’t you rather give it all at once? To something real. 

Speaker 

We’ve chosen a site. We’re fighting against the dark. 

Speaker 2 

There is an organised rebel effort, drill down and get a hunt started. Realize what you set in motion. People will suffer. 

Speaker 1 

Time must come to force their hand. 

Speaker 2 

At what cost? 

Speaker 

Everything. 

Speaker 1 

Every day we wait, they get stronger. 

Speaker 

Let’s take them by surprise. 

Speaker 1 

For the greater. Good. Call it what you have. 

Speaker 

Let’s call it. People are standing. Up there are straight and right now they’re afraid. 

Speaker 3 

Let’s go. 

Speaker 

Star Wars and or three episode premieres streaming September 21st. 

Speaker 3 

Bow shooter? 

Dion 

Pinky. And greetings to everyone out there. Hello. Welcome to the periodic table of all. My name is Dion, or for this side, the person that you’ll have to get to be muted because he’s not going to shut up. And that’s Jill and Quinney anyway. Getting into what I want to. Talk about. 

Quinny 

Anyway. We should all welcome the. Key deal, which apparently means mighty, but I call. 

Dion 

********. I’ve got a wonky Chewbacca, which is a a lovely little pneumonic about that. So that’s a different scene. This is different movies. This is all fine. OK, we’re going to get into this. It’s fine. How is everyone? Hello to everyone in the chat. It’s very nice that you all joined. 

Jill 

Ah. 

Dion 

Thank you. In the. Oh, yes, there’s Casper. Just and they said like, thank you for subbing. You’re going in there getting straight away. It’s good to see. OK. 

Quinny 

Trading. Something like the machine gun that he is and would love you for it. Thank you, Casper. 

Dion 

Now. Yes, love it. Thank you. Thank you. Hello, Jill. Hello, queenie. Peter couldn’t make it. And also she hasn’t watched it. So that’s why she’s dead to us now. She’s got a little. She got a little TV show that she’s got that she’s currently massaging into the world. So we’re gonna give her a pass on that one. 

Speaker 

Hi. 

Quinny 

Wow. Yeah. 

Dion 

Excellent. Now when I did a little bit of a thing and went back and checked on when we reviewed certain things. So going all the way back to 2016 when we reviewed Rogue One. I know right, that’s 10 like almost 10 years ago. And then we never really did a full episode. 

Jill 

OK, OK. Wow. 

Quinny 

Oh. 

Dion 

On and or season 1 and we and then we never really did a full show on end or season 2. We only did a few episodes. So that’s why even though it feels like we have reviewed all of this, this is just one show dedicated to all of the Gilroy girls. 

Speaker 

Didn’t. 

Jill 

Interesting. 

Dion 

Which is what I want to call it now forever and a day. 

Jill 

Just for people that aren’t aware. Tony Gilroy is the the showrunner. Is that correct? Yes. 

Dion 

Yes, and and and writer. And even though Gareth Edwards was the director of Rogue One, a Star Wars story, he was also a writer on that so. 

Speaker 7 

Normally. 

Quinny 

You know, they’re they’re pretty strong intimations that Tony Giller, who was fairly heavily responsible for some of the reshoots also. 

Dion 

Sure. I wanna like I just wanna do something here which seems a bit out of character for regular Star Wars nerds. Is like I’m gonna give a shout out to Kathleen Kennedy. She gets a lot of Flack for all of the stuff that she’s in there and not not a lot of people were comfortable with her. Decisions. But you gotta admit, without her you wouldn’t have this. 

Quinny 

Sorry, I just need to check down down. Are you a man with a beard who likes Star Wars and a? 

Dion 

All of the people there. Just. 

Quinny 

Holy no, no, no, no. You you, you are legally not allowed to mention Kathleen Kennedy without it being a violent slur. 

Dion 

Yeah. So she has no, no. Hell no, Kathleen. Kathleen Kennedy has given us so much stuff over the years like, I mean, it’s OK. She’s not responsible for everything anyway. 

Quinny 

Some kind of angry, you know? And so well, and you know what? If she is responsible for things she’s actually responsible for a lot of good ****, sure. No, everybody’s, you know out there hating on her. But she’s been kicking around since. What, the early 80s doing Lucasfilm and stuff like that anyway. 

Dion 

Not just Star Wars, though. Yeah. Indiana Jones? Yep, all that kind of anyway, yeah. 

Speaker 

Right. 

Quinny 

Jill. Yes, you’re a Star Wars fan. You. 

Jill 

I am and I’m only like a. Newly ish recent ISH Star Wars minted fan because like. 

Quinny 

England. 

Jill 

****, I I never. Really I was not gung ho Star Wars. I had seen the original trilogy. I had seen the the prequels when they came out and saw the sequels and yeah, it was all really cool, but it wasn’t really until they started doing the TV stuff. That I got. Really far down into the hole and I I blame clone wars. I blame clone. 

Dion 

Ohk. OK, I thought you talk about the TV stuff like Ewoks and droids. Yeah. The cartoons from the No. Not that. OK, that’s ohh. OK, sure. Because you you gotta remember, there has been some TV stuff. 

Jill 

The recent TV stuff. Yeah, yeah. 

Dion 

If we go all the way back. To the holiday special in trouble. 

Speaker 

But if there’s. 

Jill 

One thing that is sure to get me hooked, it’s if you tell me there is law, I will go back and I will. I will devour the law. 

Quinny 

Oh, so much love. God, yes. Yeah. And and this this is a a show that that really I I find it interesting because this is a show that that not only builds law but does a whole bunch of like weaving of law. 

Speaker 

Hmm. 

Quinny 

In into narratives that at the same time as feeling very, you know, modern and you know it utterly. Of the time, but at the same time, kind of timeless. And also does this bizarre and magical thing of recontextualizing other films ******* blows my mind. And yeah, I’m. I’m we’re not gonna give number reviews of this are we we’re not reviewing this as. 

Jill 

I don’t know. 

Dion 

I don’t know. I just you keep talking about law though, and I just keep going into Max von Sydow’s character from the sequels law. Santika. I’m like. Look at hell. 

Quinny 

There’s the first one of the night. 

Dion 

Oh yes, this one. 

Jill 

Was I on the original review for Rogue One? 

Dion 

No. No. 

Jill 

Oh. 

Dion 

No, no. And that was very specifically. I do remember that one because it was we went, could you not got to go and see it and then we went back and did the audio recording. This is a pre video recording. We’re just our dulcet tones. 

Quinny 

Yeah, yeah, it it was right near Christmas. I remember. Cause we left our work Christmas party and and explain to people. We’re gonna go and watch a Star Wars film and they’re like ******* nerds. 

Speaker 

Yeah. Yeah. 

Dion 

And we had the best time. It was ******* great activation and everything. 

Quinny 

Yeah. Yeah, there were people doing like martial arts and **** like that, which had nothing at all to do with. The thing, but it was a great activation. 

Jill 

Adam. Lots. Actor in the film. 

Quinny 

Sure. True. Good point. It was the Donnie yen of it all. That is, that actually makes a lot more sense. Now, 10 years later. 

Jill 

Yeah. It’s wow, I contextualised it for you in retrospect. 

Speaker 

Yes. 

Quinny 

You’re still you are the end or of this. 

Jill 

Yeah. So here’s the thing. I’ve never I didn’t like. 

Quinny 

Harmony. 

Jill 

Rogue one, I’m like. 

Quinny 

You’re right. Hmm. 

Jill 

Yeah, it’s a movie that where everybody dies, I’m like. That ******* sucked. 

Dion 

Yeah. And I think I think part of part of this, the reason that we’re doing, you know, all everything tonight and coming back to it is. The the two seasons of and or Recontextualize Rogue one as a viewing and yeah, yeah, it makes it really interesting. 

Jill 

100 percent 100. 

Quinny 

Yeah. Yeah. Like I’m guessing that after finishing end or season 2, did you both basically go straight on into Rogue One? 

Dion 

Immediately 100% yeah. 

Quinny 

I did it like a day later because it was by the time I’d finished the end of end of season 2 it was. Very late at night and was like. 

Dion 

Yeah. I just. I just push through. I think it would. Be better at 1:30. It’s like I am watching Rogue one from start to. 

Quinny 

Yeah. I as I said today on you know worked the other day, I was like, I have never seen something so completely re like and I hate saying because we’ve said it multiple times, but recontextualize a film so comprehensively as what and or does for the film of Rogue One. But also then, what Rogue one? In its position now in an in cannon does for Episode 4, and you know a lot of the other films as well, like it. It then kind of the the weight of what happens here suddenly changes what happens later too and that. It does things that you kind of don’t necessarily wrap your head around until a bit later, like when you’re watching Luke and Han and Chewy get a a ******* metal put on around their neck. Not chewy, sorry. 

Dion 

Yeah. I was about to say hang. 

Quinny 

And you’re like *************. You came in for the last two minutes. 

Dion 

Yeah. 

Jill 

I know and. If you think I didn’t watch episode. Four straight after Rogue One as. Well, you’re kidding yourself because, yeah, and it’s so bizarre. Like watching it in that order because you have all of this. 

Dion 

Well done, well done. 

Jill 

Like emotional baggage throughout season one of two of Endor and then you get to Rogue One and you’re like ohh man they were so done dirty. They all died now and then you. Get to have. A slide four and then here they all are cheering at the end layer doesn’t give a **** that her punt has been blown to ****, but she is giving them medals, yeah. 

Quinny 

Yes. 

Speaker 

We did it, guys. 

Dion 

Yeah, I know, I know. And it’s. But also because if you think about it like, oh, they’re the. Heroes of the rebellion? Yeah. They’re the only ones. 

Jill 

They came in. 

Speaker 

But. 

Jill 

For two ******* minutes and they’re the heroes of the whole rebellion that’s been going for decades. 

Dion 

Yeah, does. It does feel like one of those group group group projects where someone who didn’t do any of the work just walks in, presents the, the, the the project and then goes thanks and they go very well done a for you only just for you you have an A not you your dog doesn’t get one which is slightly fun. 

Speaker 7 

Yes. 

Quinny 

Yeah. 

Dion 

Yeah. Look, there are there are a lot of things I do want to come back to you. Actually. You made a great point talking about Leia and her reaction to everything after getting stuff blown up. But like, yeah, I wanna. Yeah. Yeah. OK, so season 1, should we go all the way back, we we might as well do it chronologically to to go through this memories of season 1 of the vendor was one of those great things because it much like I feel the Mandalorian set a precedent. For Star Wars Television, which was like ohh, this is space Western. You know kind of fun, kind of goofy, but also had a more serious tone and or just has a very adult feel to it. If you can use that without being. 

Speaker 

Hmm. 

Dion 

You know, too strange. It was just like this is quite literally a spy thriller set in the Star Wars universe. But it doesn’t have the things that make it. Silly. 

Jill 

Yeah, I think I remember seeing the trailer for it and I thought, oh, what’s this gonna be about? I’m like, Ohh, it’s the dude that died in Rogue one. OK, where? 

Quinny 

Yes. 

Speaker 2 

We’re gonna go with. 

Jill 

This and watching that trailer. Yeah. And and like seeing the tone and the mood of it all. 

Quinny 

I mean, we kind of not he’s he’s up. 

Jill 

And it was like, so politically focused. And I’m like, you know what, that’s like a really fascinating aspect that they don’t really hone in on too much in, like the films. It’s all about, you know, good versus evil. And, you know, the magic of the force and everything like that, it’s just like. 

Speaker 

MHM. 

Jill 

Yeah, but it’s all centered around a Senate. Of this like. 

Speaker 

Hmm. 

Jill 

Huge Galaxy of all of these different planets that are all trying to come together to, to live amicably, being ruled by an empire that is tyrannical. And how does all of that work? You know, why is there a rebellion? What is actually going on? Why? 

Quinny 

Yeah. How does this happen? 

Jill 

Are like people being oppressed like what is? 

Speaker 

Hmm. 

Jill 

You know the context of the Star Wars. 

Quinny 

Yeah, yeah, and something I I do love about it is that it contextualises that. But it also builds like, all through the TV stuff. And, you know, I guess even the last couple of films, there has been a building understanding of the, the the simplicity of the original films of the Good versus evil. Is way, way off like that was that was 1 moment in time where it was so cut and dried, yeah. That everything else around it is actually Shades of Grey and you know the the Jedi were for how you know, 1000 generations, the protectors of peace and whatever. No, they were corrupt. They were lazy. They had lost their way. They had gotten too comfortable with what they were doing. 

Jill 

They were kind of mercenaries for the Senate. 

Quinny 

They were mercenaries. Yeah, absolutely. They they were cops. And, you know, you go back to the beginning of episode 1. It’s about a trade dispute. And these guys have literally been sent in to strong armed people as a part of a trade dispute. The fact that they’re the good guys, you go. Ohh. OK, right. Fair enough. But the you have to start rethinking about the whole universe as. OK. It’s not as simple as light side. Good dark side bad. There are now a whole bunch of other things that you need to take into account and the politics. Is hugely important and. 

Jill 

Yeah, I think it does more for world building in this series than any other films. 

Quinny 

God. Yeah. Yeah. I mean because there’s. 

Dion 

More time. Also. Yeah, it’s right. You’ve got more time to introduce characters. Let something develop slowly. Also, as you’re quite right to say, it’s not about war at this time. Like, you know, Star Wars episode 4. A New Hope is about a shooting war. Yeah, alright. Like kind of at it’s the start of a shooting war but and or is not about that. It’s already been won. The Clone Wars have won, have been won. Yeah, the empire is is is established. They are the cops. They are the law. That is the way that it’s all living and it’s just crushing everyone underneath it. And it’s a really interesting way that they use that to explain or show how that kind of the brutality of banality. You know, I mean, it’s already there. It’s happening right now and the as they even say, they just keep squeezing. Yeah. And they’re choking very slowly. The lifeout of everyone. 

Speaker 

Hmm. 

Quinny 

And it’s only been for. What? 1617 years at that point. 

Dion 

Well, I mean, I don’t know because I haven’t got a timeline in front of me. 

Quinny 

Like, I mean, yeah, yeah. But it’s it’s not much because, you know, we know that Luke is, you know, 19 or something like that start of episode 4. It’s. 

Dion 

Five, it’s five years from before the like episode. 

Quinny 

I love you. Have 4. 

Dion 

Yeah, five years before and and all season 2 is only three years. Before then, two years, then one. Year. Yeah. Yeah, I’m just trying to figure out when when the end of The thing is, it’s not long. 

Quinny 

It’s it’s not long and and. 

Jill 

So it must be like 15 years then. 

Quinny 

Yeah. So it’s, it’s about 15 years that the Empire has actually been in charge, which in terms of, you know, like intergalactic time scales, is tiny. It’s nothing. But in terms of the amount of freaking power that can. We coopted and and gathered and enforced as we are seeing right now. 

Jill 

Yeah. I mean, it’s only been six months for. Yeah. Yeah, Trump Part 2. 

Dion 

It’s it’s 14 years from episode 3 of the establishment of. There we go. Thank thanks, doctor Google. Yeah. It’s 14 years since Darth Vader was was created and the establishment of the New Empire. So, you know, Palpatine’s been doing some ****. People are getting kind of kind of comfortable and it’s a nice kind of idea. 

Jill 

There you go. 

Dion 

You go. Yeah. So it’s like 20 years all up so. You know almost 20 years from. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Dion 

To that. 

Quinny 

And it’s it is interesting because there you see structures that are in place that are obviously a lot older than. That. The Senate has been around for generations. M. 

Dion 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

Intergenerational wealth has been around for a lot longer. 

Dion 

For for intergenerational. 

Quinny 

Yeah. Absolutely. Like so the the Mothma family and so forth. They’ve had money and power for a lot longer than the empire has been around. You know these. So the the decisions that people make and the way that they interact with power and power structures. Is longer than just empires and and you kind of look at that and you come into it and you’re like, OK and now we’re going to learn about and or. 

Jill 

Yeah, we’re gonna narrow down and focus into one little cog in this big machine and see how it affects at this small group of people. 

Dion 

And also like, I love that it focuses on someone who doesn’t want to be a. Yeah, like it, it gives us all of those kind of things that we wanna go. We you know, we know that we wanna. We have gotta follow Cassie and and or it’s his story why does it he’s a reluctant hero he gets his call to you know action he rejects it it’s it’s yeah comprehensively you get this nascent rebellion you’re you’re giving explanations. 

Quinny 

Humphrey. 

Dion 

Of how it got sort of how tenuous it is, just how ignorant and brutal the Imperial War machine is. And also we finally finally get to see the ISB, the Imperial Security Bureau, who’ve always been around in the background and they wear the white kind of uniforms. And they’re the ones they’re they’re just the Gestapo. That’s just the Gestapo. That’s all they are. Yeah. They love a burro. 

Jill 

Love a Biro? 

Speaker 

Yep. 

Dion 

And you know, this was what was great about Endor. No lightsabers, no force. You know, no magical Pixie person to come out, swing a laser sword around and solve all your problems. It was. It is just like, Nope, there’s all this other stuff going on there and and the idea of a Jedi is so foreign to everyone because that just does. They just don’t see them. That it became a really interesting opportunity to do, like a Tinker Tailor, soldier spy. 3 long. 

Jill 

Yeah. 

Dion 

And it worked. 

Quinny 

Yeah. 

Dion 

So well, because everyone was ******* committed to it. 

Jill 

Yeah. It’s also really interesting to see like a Star Wars take on like 1 Stone casting a ripple. Like, how does this affect the wider Galaxy? It’s it is like. The rebellion is like a grassroots movement. It’s small. It’s like there’s pockets throughout the Galaxy. It’s very. Tiny and organised and you know under the radar, because that’s the way it’s gotta work. But like, how does one person affect so much change? 

Quinny 

Hmm. And it’s it is one person, but it’s also all of the people around them. And while and or is the the central character, you get him intersecting with other characters who teach him, learn from him, whatever and. 

Speaker 

Yes. 

Quinny 

And. Like I think the first season’s great because you’ve got sort of it’s essentially 3 really distinct arcs. You know, there’s the the stuff on ferrix, there’s the stuff. 

Speaker 

MHM. 

Quinny 

On. God, the car or something. No. Well, no. The the planet with the where they do the heist. Ohh aldani aldani. And then you’ve got the stuff on Marchena 5. 

Dion 

And the stuff on Coruscant. 

Quinny 

And the stuff on Carson. So you’ve sort of got, like, a bunch of episodes for each, and each one has something that they’re kind of exploring each, you know, characters who build up, who Cassian is. And yeah, like. The I find them interesting because each one has such a very different flavor to. Like all the stuff on ferrix is very you know, the workers, it’s about, you know, I guess him, we’re just learning about his background. But then you go to aldani and you get this this great heist, which is. And and also that’s when it’s like, OK, this is now about a bigger rebellion. 

Jill 

Yeah, it’s. Like. Seeing the extremist side of it. 

Quinny 

Hmm. Yeah. And from a perspective, they’re not good people. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

Like they’re they’re holding a family at gunpoint. They are. They’re just thieves. They’re stealing money. There is, like, you know, this is not like we know that it’s for a good cause. But it’s very easy to read it as like these are not good people and one of them turns out to just not be a good person. 

Dion 

Well, I mean, this is the really nice thing about all of this is that no one is really a. Good person. 

Quinny 

Nemic nemic is a good. 

Dion 

In. Person. Yeah, but I mean like this is, this is the great thing we’re talking about the grey areas, the the Shades of Grey, the stuff that goes on in this, this presents everyone as flawed. Like there isn’t. You don’t look at like it goes out of its way to say Cassian is not a good person. It goes out of its way to create situations where people are doing horrible things for what could be considered altruistically, the right reasons, but also they’re still horrible things and it doesn’t shy away and apologise for that. 

Jill 

Oh yeah. 

Dion 

Which is why it’s such an interesting addition to the Star Wars universe. And that’s just our introduction to it. Which is why, as we keep saying. It keeps reframing rogue one to a generation that didn’t really know what that was about because it still tried to give us action bits and space battles and all this fun stuff. But. It’s like, but there’s also an undercurrent. Of like weird in there that we didn’t quite get and. Now it’s like ooh. This is this is a lot more. This is this meal is so complex. 

Quinny 

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I’ve I’ve now had flavours introduced to me that I can recognise in the. 

Dion 

Main dish, yes and yes. Thanks. Ohh yes in there we have war in Star Wars and war is messy. 

Speaker 

Hmm. 

Dion 

And war is not great, and it introduces that factor in the first season, and then it compounds that factor in the second season very specifically. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

As a matter of interest, what would your favorite sequences or bits out of season 1? 

Dion 

Sure. Oh man, my favorite one was the eye. 

Quinny 

The the Aldani episodes. 

Dion 

Yeah. Well, I mean visually. That whole thing they’re building towards that heist. And and visually that escape out of the heist was was really spectacular. Go back and watch it again if you can watch it. The highest definition you can. But I also like the Nakano 5 prison escape. 

Quinny 

Yeah. 

Jill 

Yeah. 

Dion 

That’s emotional. 

Jill 

Yeah, that’s true. Yeah, seeing what you know, people are going through under the empire like, you know. Without. Any idea of what they’re actually contributing to was, you know, it’s a terrifying prospect, but I think for me, my favorite stuff was like seeing the people of ferricks rise up against the ISB. Yeah, like they’d been under the thumb for so long. And I really pushed around and yeah, I mean. 

Dion 

I mean. Brick, yeah. Brasso brasso smacking. Yeah, brasso smacking someone over their head with Marvel’s brick was actually one of those great moments. You’re like ****. Yeah, finally. And the boiling point. 

Jill 

You gotta gotta throw the first stone. 

Dion 

Gets reached. The first bubble pops. 

Quinny 

Yeah. And there is a part of me I I like. I disagree with Disney. I actually think that they should have left the line in the way that it was. **** the empire. 

Jill 

Oh yeah. 

Quinny 

Like. I know that they could never have gotten away. With it because. It is not. It’s it’s. That’s not Star Wars. 

Dion 

Sure. I mean, just imagine if it had been on like replayed on free to air television in the 90s. 

Quinny 

But. 

Dion 

Funk the empire. 

Quinny 

With the entire. 

Dion 

Funky empire, OK. 

Jill 

Funk. 

Dion 

We don’t wanna punk. 

Quinny 

And we do that in. Season 2 I was it didn’t it did like. 

Dion 

Mean what didn’t? The most interesting thing I think actually came from the first episode of and or. Way someone I remember reading on the Internet watching it like oh, I’m going to watch and I’m going to watch it with my child. And you know, the father and son are watching it and and, you know, 10 minutes into the first episode of end or, you know, imagine the child just going. Dad, what’s a prostitute? 

Quinny 

Oh no. 

Dion 

What’s a brothel? 

Speaker 

Hmm. 

Quinny 

Did he? The humor just shoot that guy. 

Dion 

Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, shooting is fine because, you know, Han shot 1st and all that, but this is the first time they went to a sex club. And it’s just kind of like this is a different kind. 

Speaker 

Mm-hmm. 

Dion 

Of show. 

Quinny 

Yeah. 

Dion 

But feels very familiar because you know, they just did a. Really good job on that. 

Quinny 

I I I ******* love the knocking of five act ark. Just because how he gets there is so shocking. Yeah, like he’s he’s literally gotten away with it. He’s chilling on a beach and then **** goes **** ** because he happens to be in the wrong place. 

Dion 

Yeah. He’s just ****** by bureaucracy. That’s what the great thing about it is. It’s like ohh, I got away with it. Yeah, you know how we’re gonna get your bureaucracy? We’re just gonna improve. We’re gonna start rounding people up because we don’t like the look of them. 

Quinny 

Yep, yeah. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Jill 

Yeah, I picked him. 

Dion 

Up. Yeah, yeah, I exactly, exactly. 

Quinny 

Yeah. Yeah, it was. Yeah, I see the the particular robot. But, and. And then you get this this, like, totally different style of show, which is like this, this really contained tense prison drama, you know, with all of those sort of notes where, you know, the old guy who’s dying and and. 

Dion 

100%. 

Quinny 

Then the the communication between the different levels and stuff, and then this incredibly emotional breakout. I thought that like the. This stuff on ferrix great really enjoyed the the highest, but for me the thing that solidified it as being a truly ******* amazing show was the markina 5 stuff I was like, oh, **** me, this is. And I I watched, watched it at the time I thought it was good, and then a few months ago I rewatched it. Just because I was like, I think I want to watch something good. Yeah, yeah, same again. I was just like, ohh **** me. Wow. 

Dion 

Yeah, look, you know, Season 1 of Andor was a was a. Thing in the way that it just it it captured exactly what we’re after. It gave us an adult storyline. It didn’t tie everything up and made us all just incredibly hungry. For the second season. And. I’m I don’t know. Should we? Should we skip to that now? Or do we wanna? Yeah. 

Quinny 

Do you wanna keep going into that way and is there, is there anything else that we need to cover? Like, OK 222 people that we haven’t talked about at all just from season 1 and I think it’s important to kind of just just. 

Speaker 

Sure. 

Quinny 

Touch on some of the the key characters, Cyril. 

Speaker 

Sure. 

Dion 

Yeah. Ohh yeah. Kyle Sollers, Cyril. Amazing. 

Jill 

Our favorite ISP. Simple. 

Quinny 

Yeah, my God. And apparently my phone thinks that its name is Cyril. 

Dion 

Nice. He just like. 

Jill 

Thank you. 

Quinny 

And dedra like 2 characters who you kind of meet throughout the course of that, that whole thing. And to be honest, I thought where the **** are they going with this serial? Guy. 

Dion 

He just wanted to be part of. 

Speaker 

Like. 

Dion 

The Palpatine youth. 

Quinny 

He just wanted to be part of something, he. Shouldn’t to be important. 

Speaker 

York. 

Dion 

Yeah. 

Jill 

Like the young Liberals. 

Quinny 

Like yeah, 100%. Like he just wanted to be important and on the side of what he. 

Speaker 

It’s kind of. 

Quinny 

Thought was right. 

Dion 

Well, see, this is the whole sort of thing. It’s a. It’s a lovely explanation of that character is an isolated slightly, you know, hounded and and and kind of abused male character who’s looking for a point and a purpose in life. And has decided that they’re going, he’s going to do that through, you know, just rapid conform. Body to something like, you know, that’s what he’s he’s he’s hitched a wagon to it because he thinks that’s the way it’s going. That’s that’s everything gives him control. So control attracts him because the rest of his life is out of control or control for him. So. He’s a really fascinating character and I really love what his growth across two seasons was amazing. 

Quinny 

Hmm. And you know, his his **** awful mother. Perfect. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, like. And once again, the banality of evil. Like, does this woman who delights in belittling and, you know, destroying joy. So he has no other way of viewing the world other than through that lens. And who does he fall in love with? And. A woman clinically incapable of smiling. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Dion 

Well, did Ramiro’s a great character cause it? It just shows you how ruthless the the empire even amongst themselves. I mean, Devil’s got party guts in there, like, you know, showing him he’s a great character because he’s just so forthright. It doesn’t mince its words. It doesn’t take its time. It gets through those scenes very rapidly, exactly like the imperial. Democracy, we get to spend time with. You know, the rebels and those partisans and those other people because they’ve fully developed characters. I also love how we do not get to spend any time with any of The Imperials except when. They’re just doing their bit and then they move on because that’s their life. They have no personality, like it’s a very complicated show. I’m very happy with how they dealt with everything. 

Quinny 

And also just before we move on to season 2. 

Dion 

Sure. 

Quinny 

Loosen rail. 

Speaker 

Oh. 

Dion 

Fabulous man, I love it. I love it. You’ve got to be that you’ve got to be that sort of a person. Absolutely dark, but also fabulous. 

Speaker 1 

Hmm. 

Dion 

How do you live in these two worlds? How do you pull the wool over the eyes of all these people? Because you act like a FOP and you kill people for. For fun, for fun. Like, yeah, great character. 

Quinny 

Yeah. Come. Kindness. Kinship, love. I just say all these words. 

Dion 

Also delivered the greatest speech, I think in all of Star Wars about burning your life. You know, for a sunrise I’ll never see. 

Quinny 

Yeah. Poet. And he was right. Spoilers, beautiful. 

Dion 

Wonderful. So yes. Anyway, season Season 1, we’re happy. With that, yeah. Great. I just want to go quickly into the season 2 trailer, which is, you know what was great about this season 2 trailer is the fact that it’s a departure from what you’re expecting because it adds a bit of rock’n’roll, which just made me even happier to watch it. 

Speaker 

We’re in a war. You want to fight. 

Speaker 1 

Who you want to? Win. All our hopes that come to thee. Starts. 

Speaker 

Now. 

Speaker 1 

What a swell party this is. 

Speaker 

These. For this moment. You’re here. You’re right here. And you’re ready to fight. Oh **** yeah. 

Dion 

Who doesn’t love that ******* trailer? It kicked ****. Yeah, some people, like, missed that one. That was the first teaser trailer that they released for season 2 of and or before their full marketing campaign went through it, and it’s just *******. 

Quinny 

I I OK full full transparency, I don’t think I’ve seen it, but also I still haven’t seen it because we can’t see the trailer. So all door saw was Dion going. 

Dion 

Yeah, yeah. Listening, listening to the music, the music like, yeah, it’s a rock. It was a rock’n’roll trailer and it just was just this thing where you’re, like, **** yeah. Didn’t know what to expect for season 2, but, you know. This is great. 

Quinny 

Anyway, presentative of Season 2 though. 

Dion 

Not really like Season 2 was way like I watched that trailer and I was like, this is just gonna be freaking *******. Really, like blowing up **** for the rebellion. And then I was like, Oh my God, I got something different, but I kinda like. It plus Mendo ******* Menda. Mindat yeah, Wendy’s back. 

Jill 

I totally forgot that he was in Rogue One because I kind of like wiped the movie from my brain after I watched. It so it’s like. Saw him in season 2. I was like, yeah, no, no. 

Speaker 

Amanda. 

Speaker 1 

Amanda. Yeah. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Dion 

Look, OK season 2, it’s got thrills, it’s got spills. It’s it took a. 

Speaker 

Stop the. 

Jill 

Boys from marketing. 

Quinny 

Exactly. God, it’s got when the marketing counts showed up and I’m just. Like, oh, I’m in the. 

Dion 

Worst deep. 

Jill 

Here are the optics for how we’re gonna steal. 

Dion 

Deep substrate calcite calcite substitutes calcite alternatives. 

Jill 

A bunch of ore from a planet. 

Quinny 

Oh. 

Speaker 

Ohh. 

Jill 

The lunch buffet meeting. 

Quinny 

Calculate. Yeah. 

Dion 

Also very really different departure from the way they structured all the episodes. Whereas in Season 1 it was a linear progression about over a certain period of time of what happened and this one they decided to release it in four three episode blocks of one year skips. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Dion 

And I was not. 

Speaker 

Loved it. 

Dion 

Not I was not. I was not. Wasn’t convinced when it did that. And then when it started doing it, I was like ohh this this helps to skip things along. 

Jill 

Yeah. Well, I never saw any of the. Trailers never saw anything. For it, read the article about the episode structure and thought. Love it. That’s gonna be great. Because you get little bite sized chunks because you know what we’re like with binging, we’ll just sit there and watch the whole ******* thing. So. But instead of weekly drops, you get 3 episodes a week. And I thought it was the perfect amount because yeah, I am gonna sit. 

Dion 

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. 

Jill 

There and watch 3. Episodes and you get this little self. Contains storing in each one, but it all like puzzles together to build. 

Quinny 

Yeah. 

Jill 

Like an epic canvas over four years. 

Quinny 

So and I I. Initially I was like no, I want this to last. I wanted to play out. I want it to feel like we’re we’re getting, you know, this beautiful long story and everything like that, you know, because that’s what we got in the first season. But after the first three, I went. No. Oh, no, I get it now. They’re just. Yeah, there’s short films. They’re not even actually short films. They’re. 

Speaker 

Yes. 

Quinny 

Feature length films. 

Jill 

Yeah, it’s funny cause like each block is also like a little triptych as well. In the three episodes, because you are getting like the. The characters that we’ve like met along the way. Now each of their perspectives of of what is happening in this year. 

Dion 

Yeah. And it’s, it’s and it’s. I’m sorry you got corny. 

Quinny 

And. Yeah. Sorry. You you go. 

Dion 

I it was. I loved how it also showed a few like some of the consequences of the things that were happening as well. Like, you know, leftist infighting. Later in the first block. Oh dear, I seem to have started a rebellion and now I have to face up to the consequences of that block. We really should have killed Krennic and had that party back block, I mean, and oopsie rebellion dead. 

Jill 

Hmm. 

Dion 

Maybe. All of these things are great like and it just it just made it. You know what really help with the tension? 

Speaker 

Hmm. 

Dion 

And the resolution, it also allowed them to wrap up some of the storylines, which was really annoying because even though this feeds straight into rogue one, which as we all know, is a total party kill. 

Speaker 7 

Yes. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Dion 

They also started offering people from season 1 of Andor straight away in season 2, and it started making you realize, oh ****, this really is a total party kill. Like all the people that start the rebellion. 

Speaker 

Hmm. 

Quinny 

Yeah. 

Dion 

Will they die like that’s the thing. 

Quinny 

No, nobody gets out of this ******* Scott free. That’s the thing. 

Dion 

No. 

Quinny 

And and each everyone has the opportunity to possibly go badly to also potentially sell people out because you do not ******* know who’s who’s like. You know who’s good guys and bad guys. But there’s there’s always the possibility that something’s going to go. 

Dion 

You know. 

Quinny 

Wrong. And that somebody is going to suddenly find themselves on the wrong side. Of history? Yeah, loved it. Loved that. So the first arc in this one was sort of the. The the farming ark really, wasn’t it? Yeah, but the so it was the theft of the the not X wing. Sorry, the tie. It was a. It was a tie. 

Jill 

Glider. 

Dion 

Interceptor is a prototype tie defender. 

Quinny 

OK, prototype. Yeah. 

Dion 

Sena systems prototype Thai. 

Quinny 

OK, go on. But so you’ve got that’s end of story. And then the stuff on the, the farming planet, I was loved the farming planet, and I’ve heard a lot of people go that they really didn’t dig the the whole infighting with the two rebellion like the. What? What did you call it? Left as the. 

Dion 

Ohh. Infighting simulator. Yeah, left as infighting simulator in that first 3 episode was like I’m part of a rebellion. I’m part of a rebellion, but you’re not the leader of this party though we have. 

Quinny 

To decide who’s new leader, the Judean People’s Front, not the people from the judina. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Dion 

Which you can understand. 

Quinny 

Ice. 

Dion 

That This is why so Guerrera is. Like this group, this group, you’re. All not doing anything anyway. 

Speaker 

Gotta go blow something up. 

Quinny 

Ohhh. Yeah, ******* splitters. Yeah, like and the fact. And I love that I actually love that sequence because it really was very much a look at leftist infighting and. Knowing when they’re the people are passionate about a belief, they will fight each other over. You know, getting that belief over the line, whereas something like the the empire is so good at all going in one straight ******* line because they’re too afraid to step out of line. And you’ve got ******* a group of rebels literally turning a stolen weapon on themselves. Yep. Like you’re just watching it going, you ******* idiots. Yeah, but I love that that at the end of it is revealed to all be on Yavin. And you’re like, oh, so this is literally where the rebellion starts? Yeah. 

Dion 

A bunch of people fighting with each other that are supposed to be together. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know. 

Quinny 

Yeah. 

Dion 

That’s not also, you know. Unfortunately we brasso like, I mean, the spoilers, we’ve already seen this we’re talking about here brasso such a sad way that he went out, but also this is kind of what this season 2 is explaining to us, which is like yeah, people will die, but people will die in banal and boring ways or kind of just. 

Speaker 

Process. 

Dion 

You know, not very thrilling ways, because that’s what happens. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Dion 

When someone is killed it, it could be for a ****** or pointless reason. It doesn’t have to be a great self sacrifice. There isn’t 1 great moment which helps to lead into Rogue One at the end of Rogue One. When we get into there. A little bit later, so I kind of really like that that, you know, we were, it had some had some big moments. I think there weren’t a lot of big, big moments in Season 2, which made me kind of go, oh, there wasn’t like the aldani. Heist. 

Jill 

Sure. 

Dion 

Notwithstanding the Goldman massacre as. I think, but I felt like, you know, that trailer that we just watched or you heard it, it felt very action-packed like that trailer was really trying to get everyone pumping. But the season 2 that we got wasn’t quite like that. It was a little bit. Of how do we like all this stuff still going on? How do we sort of sort of tie up some of the loose ends and focus more in on the characters and how they go and how do they get tied up? Which was good. I really loved watching Cassie and finally getting to his idea of a spy like I’m a spy now I just adopt personalities and things and move around, and there is a rebellion going on and we’re all kind of looking each other going. Oh, yeah. But maybe I rebellion is good. No, no. OK, well. 

Quinny 

One character we didn’t mention from Season 1, who Karina just brought up Mon Mothma. 

Dion 

Who? She wasn’t very important, was she? Yes, sorry, my mother is always good. The the the second character. Well, not even the second character. I would actually say that and or is more about Mon Mothma than it is about Cassian. You know, Cassian kind of just flits around and does stuff. Mon is laser focused on getting this rebellion going, the whole thing and sacrifices, I would say way more. 

Jill 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And the people around her as well. Like, I hated her husband. 

Jill 

Oh yeah. He’s a ***** ** ****. 

Quinny 

I hated her with the. With him, with the ******* passion. 

Jill 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

I was. I did read somewhere that he actually like there. There was a scene shot where it’s revealed that he knew what she was doing the whole time. 

Jill 

Oh. 

Dion 

Yeah, a deleted scene of like, why didn’t you just tell me? I would have supported you. And it’s like, yeah, but I like him as an *******. Yeah, like I prefer him. 

Jill 

Yeah, I think there’s more more at stake if you can’t even trust your own husband. You know, I feel like there’s more tension building there. If you’re, like, trying to keep stuff under wraps from, like, like your closest family. 

Speaker 

Hmm. 

Jill 

Members. 

Quinny 

Yeah. Yeah, especially your snippy little bit, your daughter. 

Dion 

She like. 

Jill 

Ohh, what a privileged ***** ** **** loves. 

Dion 

She was fine. She was just someone who went down tradewise like Cyril. 

Quinny 

He was totally trad wife. He wasn’t? Yeah. 

Dion 

Cyril is red pill. Joe Rogan, ************ who joins the fast no problem. But Ron Mother’s daughter was Trad wife rich person. 

Quinny 

Yeah, come on. Yeah. Yeah. But then, like, you know, in throughout season 1, we sort of watched Monster and we’ve seen her funneling money and making big calls and everything. I ******* loved the end of that first 3 episode arc where you just see a loser ****. 

Jill 

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Drowning her sorrows and dancing her. 

Speaker 

We are. 

Dion 

Real some of that music, like some of this. 

Jill 

A little hot out. 

Dion 

Music you’re talking about. It’s a banger. There’s a 2 hour mix available released by Star Wars of this song. 

Jill 

I’m going to put on a flowy dress and just spin. Around and yeah. 

Quinny 

Like the thing I love about this, and this is a really bizarre piece of background to this, to music. It’s actually used multiple times throughout season 1 as well. 

Jill 

A couple of drinks. 

Quinny 

On the so the the piece of music is called neumos, which is the planet that Cassie and is on when he gets caught by the the robot and sent. To a fight. Yeah, that, that’s the first time you hear it. So there’s a thing going that basically this is just the popular song doing the rounds of the Galaxy at the. 

Dion 

Moment. 

Jill 

Ohh it’s a Chapel Rd. 

Quinny 

And you’re actually. Yeah, you’re hearing it all over the place and there are different versions of it. Yeah. Like the first time you hear, it’s kind of a like, you know. Almost acoustic version and then as it’s going on, this is the banger version, I swear. 

Jill 

Right then you get the remix and exactly. 

Dion 

I swear it’s on one of the the. True themes to season 1-2 because you know how, like the music slightly varies across the intro in season 1 of band or the music is. 

Speaker 

Hmm. 

Quinny 

Slightly different, but yeah, also the the one episode that doesn’t have music in Season 2 that just has the radio being tuned in. The like this is the the the random **** that you if you watch it and you don’t skip the intro, you get all these different little bits at the beginning of and and or. It’s ******* sick. 

Dion 

All right. I mean, you know. Look. This one mother’s story is amazing through this because most of the season 1 she is. Kind of painfully oblivious. She’s just the bank account, and she’s trusting Lutheran with all of this money to kind of you’re doing things. That’s great. Well, well, what happens, like, you know? But she doesn’t really know what’s going on. And then in season 2, you know, she’s she’s in the find out bed of the ******. Ground, which is really great. And then she’s in the no, I found out. 

Speaker 

Hmm. 

Dion 

And I didn’t realise exactly how bad it was when she has to escape and get out of it. And she’s confronted like, that’s, that’s a really good thing after she’s finally, like being, like, gotten out of Carson by Cassion and he just shoots the driver and keeps moving. And that was the first time the look on her face is like, Oh my God. You just kill people. It’s like, yeah. And we have to keep going. This is what we’ve been doing the whole time. Come on on. We need to leave. And she’s just a little bit like. I didn’t really realize that this was the thing that I have to do now. Like I I will. You know, I was separated from it, but. You know, Monmouth is great. 

Quinny 

Yeah, actually one of my favorite bits in Season 2 and it’s blink and you miss it. **** is just before that escape when she’s doing her speech to the to the entirety of the Senate. There is a point where everybody is saying turn her off turn, you know, make turn off her feed. Yeah. And I love it that there are two people who are there who are just clean. Or or maintenance or whatever, who are being yelled at by the guy. Go and get this ******* door open. You know, open this door and they’re like, oh, no, we just we repaired it like, you know, we did what was us. The the door has been repaired. He’s like well, why doesn’t it open? And they’re getting angry and and. I love that because it’s a theory of, you know, how do you, how do you get by in fascist dictatorships? Malicious compliance, yeah. 

Speaker 

Yes. 

Dion 

No, no. You you told us this was this was supposed to be locked and we locked it for you. Sir. Great. Yes. Yeah. It’s in the. It’s in the safe in the office where you told us to. Put it. 

Quinny 

Yeah, I love it because they are clearly, you know, rebellion of Jason or whatever they are doing, just their little bit and it’s the same as the dude on Gorman on on gore. Sorry that that works in the hotel, you know, it’s just he’s doing. 

Jill 

Oh yeah. 

Quinny 

Little bits of rebel. You know, just enough enough to say to Cassian, hey, I’ve given you the room with a view. And by the way, you’re going to have to do that because that ***** next to. Me will check you up. 

Dion 

Yeah. Or like I remember you. Yes, yes, I mean. It’s. Yeah, it’s fun. Like, there’s so many lovely little bits and pieces of this, but what? I’m really what I was really interested in was whether or not dedra Miro would finally catch Cassian Andor’s season 2. And you know what’s really great about that? No matter what happens, is they never get to ******* meet. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Dion 

Isn’t that kind of great and it is one of the rolling. Things that sort of happens throughout and in Rogue one because in Rogue one there is a a line in there which is when Mando. Good, good old Mando goes to Gino. So at the end. And he’s like, who are you? Right there is A and they took that and they put it back into Endor and it was a recurring sort of line through Andor to it was like who are you like? I don’t know who you are. And that’s the nature of sort of spies and cells and rebellions and and compartmentalized information is sometimes you can be totally, totally. 

Speaker 

Hmm. 

Dion 

Wrapped up and focused on a on a concept of a person, but you never actually meet that person because you just never do. But did you did get to meet? Yeah. Yeah. So Cyril was like, it’s you. It’s you’re the person. And he’s like, who are you? I was really hoping that he would just get so frustrated and be like the point. What is all of this? Maybe I don’t need to do this. 

Quinny 

Like so. 

Dion 

You know, you don’t even know who I am. I am pointless in the universe, even though. I tried to find a point by joining the fashion. Even though I felt useless. 

Jill 

Yeah, it does feel like Cyril was kind of coming to some kind of realization, I think so towards his demise there and yeah, disappointing to not see it, but also, I mean **** happens. 

Quinny 

Yeah, it’s. I love that. Because. Yeah, I think that that last scene or couple of scenes with him was him going. Oh, ****. I have been played by the Empire. Yeah. And I have been given respect by these other people, the gore and. ****. I’ve sold them out. I’m. I’m the bad one here. I I. Yeah, you can see him really changing where he is. And there’s I honestly think. If he hadn’t seen Cassian. I think he would have just continued on and probably gone to fight alongside them or. 

Jill 

Yeah, possibly he could have switched sides. 

Quinny 

Yeah, but he didn’t. He saw Cassian and. 

Dion 

I mean, this was so interesting, too, watching Cyril, who thought that he was doing something really cool for the empire by getting in and getting information. Like a real, honest to go spy finds out he’s getting played the entire time by his, by his. 

Jill 

His girlfriend. 

Speaker 

Girlfriend. 

Jill 

Quinny 

Mike. 

Jill 

You know, it’s a it’s a Hawker to a planet that, you know, they make fabric. It’s it’s very much the High Street with well, I mean Mendo in another universe played Christian Dior. But so yeah, Balenciaga down the road and and you sell her on around the corner. 

Dion 

It’s it’s you’re. It’s it’s all European resistance to fascism. 

Speaker 

But. 

Jill 

They created an entire language for these people that was dripping. In French like. And it was just ohh everything about. It was just like sublime I. 

Dion 

But not French, you know French but not French. 

Jill 

Loved it. No, it sounds French and I’m like, what language are they speaking? And I looked into it. I was like, no, they they made this language for the show. 

Dion 

Is it Belgian? 

Jill 

Yeah, yeah. Made it sound French, and yeah, I thought it was. It was really great to see a kind of real world parallel. And, like, how how are the space Nazis taking advantage of? 

Quinny 

Yeah. Yeah. 

Jill 

Of the business world of Gorman. 

Quinny 

I I love the idea that somewhere there is a a little gore cafe that is run by Renee and they’re trying to find the the holocron of the fallen Madonna. With the big *******. 

Speaker 

Quinny 

There’s there’s some some like rebellion spy ******* by their wand do every time. 

Jill 

Oh. Sorry. Yeah. Tara, you made a good point. It was definitely lamis. 

Dion 

Yes. And also you’re like finally got to see some of the brutality of the empire on a larger scale of just like, yeah, we’re just going to set this up because that’s what we do. We’re doing a false flag operation in order to cover the fact that we’re just doing a full scale invasion because we need the optics team. To report this a certain way. 

Quinny 

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it’s disgusting. Disgusting. Because you could see it. You could like. It felt so real because it felt so believable. And and who does the empire on 1st their own people. 

Dion 

Yeah, cuz they know what they’re doing. They know what they’ve got to do. Also on top of. 

Quinny 

And it was the first time I was actually intimidated by Stormtroopers. 

Dion 

Yeah, but then, yeah. 

Quinny 

Like. Like the, you know, mostly for the most part, you kind of like, yeah, legions of Stormtroopers can’t hit the side of a barn. Whatever. Here. They’re walking down the stairs. 

Jill 

But when you’ve got a crowd like, you’re more likely to hit someone. 

Quinny 

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Fire indiscriminately. You’re gonna hit. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Dion 

I mean, you know, hats off to the the people doing that too, because you can’t actually tell where you’re going in those outfits. The eyes do not match up. But you know, they they went downstairs and every. It was great. Also got to finally see why the K2 droids. Were very effective. 

Jill 

They teased us for so long. 

Dion 

These was it. A good payoff. Did you feel? 

Jill 

I would have liked. To have more time with K2, to be honest. 

Quinny 

I wanted more time, yeah. 

Dion 

Yeah, I mean, K2, SO’s eventual rehabilitation was interesting, but yeah, I did like seeing the droids in action. Little bit more physical. That’s kind of fun, you know. 

Quinny 

Yeah, they they were intimidating as **** these, you know? Yeah, great big enderman droids that will just wander around. 

Jill 

And. Yeah, we’ll just walk up and kick the **** out of you. 

Quinny 

Yeah, we’re gonna fling you 20 feet in the air and you’re dead. Congratulations. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Jill 

You’ll use you as a projector. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Dion 

I mean, like most of most of season 2 was interesting because we’re always trying to wrap up what’s going on and play catch up in the years it was going as we’re ramping towards something and the thing we’re ramping towards is Rogue one because we know that it goes straight directly into Rogue One. And then all of that sort of stuff happens. And was there anything that you thought apart from the fact that, you know, Season 2 was was great and we got to have clinic and we got to have the resolution of like some of those storylines like finding more out about Claire who was kind of always there in the background but not really explored but actually getting a full episode that was just devoted to who is this? Person that has been there the whole time and is actually one of the most vital people. To the entire rebellion. 

Jill 

Yeah, yeah. 

Dion 

And getting the time to have that was just amazing. 

Jill 

Her episode was great. Yeah, yeah. 

Quinny 

And a lot of people have pointed out, like, you know, she was the one in charge luthan was, you know, Luthan was kind of almost too. Too scared, too unstable. Whatever. I’m not sure, but she was the one who was ******* steel. Yeah, like you know, she’s getting close. She will. She will just say to Lonnie. You ******* stand there, do not move. 

Dion 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

Fixing this ******* problem. 

Speaker 

Oh yeah. 

Quinny 

You know then to see. 

Dion 

And and listen to me, because I’m going to recite to you information that they’re going to quiz you about. So while I’m doing this, I’m going to tell you things and you’re going to ******* memorize them at the same time. 

Quinny 

Yeah. And there’s a part of me that was like trying to work out where. 

Speaker 

That’s right. 

Quinny 

Like when the conflict was that she became, you know, came in with like. 

Speaker 

Oh. Yeah. 

Dion 

And the runaway? 

Quinny 

Yeah. And I I I got really confused in terms of timelines and where the **** that, but also didn’t matter. No, didn’t matter. There was a war. She’s a refugee of war and. 

Dion 

Yeah, I mean, this is one of those bits that we just sort of go. There were 14 years. Lucian was an imperial that was murdering civilians, basically. And he just didn’t want to. Have it anymore. So he left. Hmm, you know. Good. We don’t need anymore. We’ve got other **** to worry about. 

Quinny 

Yeah, the, the, the one thing, I wasn’t sure he was. Imperial was he was meant to be imperial. 

Dion 

That’s what it’s kind of. Like right intimated. Looked like he was wearing in a uniform, but he could have been also like, you know, it was established in season 1. There are militias. There are other things who work, who are may not be imperial forces, but they work under The Imperials because they cannot. They don’t have the means to do direct control. Regional governance. Yeah, all of that kind of thing. She’s, you know, Empire is a big place. You got to have someone to do your. Dirty work, yeah, yeah. 

Quinny 

Dion 

Toys are expensive. 

Speaker 

Hmm. 

Quinny 

We’ve, we’ve, we’ve met a bunch of characters. We’ve set up a whole bunch of pieces onto a board. 

Dion 

We get to finally understand what the **** it was out of Rogue One that Saul Guerrero was huffing. Petrol fumes vidoni gum pure uncut substrate. Jet fuel. It’s like the guys just on jet fuel and he’s trying to get other people to help on jet fuel too. 

Jill 

Yeah. 

Speaker 2 

A hotter. 

Dion 

You know, I love that. It’s like, hey, do you wanna? Blow some **** up. Because I do. It’s like finally it gives us some context, because I mean you you saw you saw Guerrera in the Clone Wars. You get to understand where he comes from. He’s been fighting, like, fighting anyone or fighting people that been coming since he’s like 15. But in this one, we finally get to get understand was like, yeah, after years and years and years. And the fact that you just huffing stuff. All the time, which is probably really bad for you. That explains everything that happens in Rogue one so much more. Clearly, yeah. 

Quinny 

Yeah. Yeah, it’s it’s so important to have that context for these characters. Yeah. So shall we move on, then to Rogue one? Yeah, unless there’s anything that needs to be said about. 

Jill 

I mean, honorable mention to BIX, because, I mean, she was there throughout two seasons. 

Quinny 

Yeah, yeah. 

Speaker 

Yeah, yeah. 

Dion 

Yeah, it’s true. 

Quinny 

Umm. 

Jill 

Yeah. I mean, she had a she had a tragic storyline. I think, you know, she was traumatised and made to just sit back while Cassie and Gallivanted around the Galaxy and she got played for a full by Lucian and. 

Speaker 

Hmm. 

Jill 

You know, turn to drugs and. Yeah, had a really rough go of it. 

Dion 

I feel like it was. 

Jill 

The whole time. 

Quinny 

She really did. 

Dion 

She had a lot of trauma, which is understandable after being tortured by The Imperials, and then, you know, loose and started to see her as a liability and not. 

Jill 

Yeah. 

Dion 

An. Asset, which is why there was always that bit of like ohh. Is he gonna kill her? Like what’s? Going on there. 

Quinny 

I thought it was coming. 

Dion 

Yeah, exactly. And you know, in the end it just she just ends off, ends up with a. Son of a Bix. 

Quinny 

No, no, never stated whether it’s male or female. 

Dion 

Ohh, come on, I’m just ******* happy that they didn’t leave B2 emo on that planet by itself, by himself, just sitting there waiting. I mean, that was kind of the only happy thing to come out of season 2 of Andor, which was like. Ohh, Bix is OK. Wait. 

Jill 

Another little Droid set to play. 

Speaker 

With, you know. 

Dion 

He’s never going to see Cassar again. 

Quinny 

Yeah. You know, we also never got to find out what happened to Cassie and sister. 

Dion 

Let’s let’s be honest. You know, after the explanation of like ohh yeah she was working here in this brothel for a little while and then she moved on. It’s like she’s probably dead. Like, let’s be honest. And they even said that in the thing it’s like she’s probably ******* dead man. Like she’s there’s no trouble. There’s not much to do about it anyway. Do we like actually, there’s one thing. Did you enjoy seeing Mel? She come back? No, no one. No fan of melchi. 

Quinny 

I no, I am a fan of Melchi now. 

Jill 

Like who the ****? Is this dude? I didn’t know who? The *******. 

Dion 

You talking about the glob shadow? 

Jill 

Was, yeah, definitely the glob jitter. 

Speaker 3 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

Globe theater. 

Dion 

Good old Mel. She was there and you know, it was an interesting thing watching the ISB, tracking them down on corrosion and then having that kind of hallway fight, that was the thing that was. You know, going up to, but I just wasn’t as good as I was hoping for. But I’m OK with it. Yeah. Yeah, alright. Yeah. Look, Season 2 was a great wrap up. I enjoyed it. Season 1 was fantastic. It did that season 2 was just as great and now. Where you got to go to this funny little trailer of a film? That we never really saw. So let’s look at this trailer because it is not the film that it is. 

Speaker 7 

State your name for the record. 

Jill 

Jen ASA. 

Speaker 7 

Forgery of imperial documents, possession of stolen property, aggravated assault, resisting arrest. 

Speaker 2 

On your own, from the age of 15. Reckless, aggressive and undisciplined. 

Jill 

This is a rebellion, isn’t it? I rebel. 

Speaker 2 

We have a mission for you. The major weapons test is imminent. We need to know what it is and how to destroy it. 

Speaker 7 

Is that clear? 

Jill 

Yes, Sir. 

Speaker 

What? 

Quinny 

Will you do when they catch you? 

Speaker 

What you do, they greet you. If you continue to fight. 

Speaker 3 

What will you become? 

Dion 

There’s, there’s. There we go. What will you become? That was. That was a different ******* film first, you know, we saw Guerra had no hair. There’s this shot. There’s a shot in that of chronic walking on the beaches. 

Quinny 

Different films. 

Dion 

Which he never does. That was an interesting 1. Isn’t it strange? Strange trailer? But Recontextualise Rogue one much better. 

Jill 

Ohh 100% yeah, and funnily enough, do you know so not the main character? No. 

Dion 

I feel like they were trying to make Jin the main character and then they realized this is not a great main character and then we didn’t really know what we were doing. But that’s OK because there’s some great set pieces in Rogue one like this is the thing rogue and two seasons of vendor and Rogue One Rogue One is the big battle fun thing. 

Jill 

Yes. 

Quinny 

Yep. 

Dion 

That we’re looking for and or is all the meat and potatoes. 

Speaker 

Hmm. 

Dion 

That gets us there. So you know it’s it’s just a little bit of a complicated story. 

Speaker 

But. 

Dion 

Now I understand everything about cassion people always have their things like why didn’t Cassian kiss gin? And on the beach that’s. 

Quinny 

Yeah, totally hidden, not right. 

Jill 

Why the **** does that any man have to kiss a ******* woman? Jesus Christ. Yeah, just. 

Dion 

But this was the this were questions that were being asked. You gotta remember, almost 10 years ago. Who is this Cassian guy? He’s like, obviously set up to be with. This girl, you know, kind of thing is it a bit of a love story? Why not? I mean, in one of the films, you got a brother and sister kissing. Why can’t we have this? 

Quinny 

Is to see. I remember at the time thinking. Ohh man, this Cassian character just feels like a Han Solo that they didn’t know what to do with. 

Jill 

Yeah. I’m like, who’s this ringing? 

Quinny 

Yeah, like he, he, I, you know, he he felt like, yeah. Mexican Han Solo. 

Speaker 3 

Wow. 

Jill 

Ohh wow. 

Quinny 

Like, honestly like Latino Han Solo? He was. He was a different take on a trope. And now we get him. Yeah. Now he’s fully fledged character. 

Jill 

He’s actually. A ******* million times better than Han Solo. 

Quinny 

Oh my God. Yes. Karina. Juan solo. No, look. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

Ohh. 

Dion 

Look, I mean it just it helped, it helped me understand stuff at least in and or season 2. They included the idea of force healing, which helped to link to the guardians of the wheels, which is what? 

Quinny 

Yeah. 

Dion 

The the two people from Jeddah, which was Donnie yen and Ohh the other guy I forgot his name, their characters. Ohh. Yeah, yeah. But we got to see all of those things. Finally, we understand why Salguero was ******* crazy. Because he’s half and paint and feeds, you know, people. Yeah, the base malwares and also the bull gullet. What the **** was a bullet? Ohh, it’s just that mind flying thing that he’s probably using. While he’s huffing stuff. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

Yeah, I’m. I’m pretty sure he occasionally goes into the book, licks it a few times and. 

Jill 

He doesn’t have sex stuff with it. 

Quinny 

It’s just like. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

You don’t know where I am. 

Speaker 

Yeah. Yeah, you don’t know. 

Jill 

Ohh, is that a sex? Thing. Yeah, no. 

Dion 

Also helps to understand like why my mother’s haircut got ******** because. During, during and or, she’s still on corset and then we. 

Jill 

When you’re roughing it on Yavin instead of. Or something, yeah. 

Quinny 

Not many hairdressers. 

Dion 

On your chat, their own hair. 

Quinny 

Like all of them did, which is why by the time you get to episode 4, they’ve all. Got 70s bowl cuts. 

Dion 

Yeah, two things I’d love to bring up. One of them is my only complaint about Rogue One is why the **** were C3PO and R2D2 on Yavin just before the Battle of Scarif, and how did they get onto? The diplomatic ship, which should have already been ******* on the way. And secondly, something someone brought up. I saw one on the like a a discussion on the Internet. It recontextualizes the moment in episode 4 where layer is talking to Tarkin and Tarkin’s threatening to blow up older arm. Now the. You got to remember that Leia has just been on scariff, so she’s seen the Death Star Fire. But what she thinks is because it was just one reactor. Alright, what she knows is that when that thing fires, it will take out like. 

Speaker 

Sure. 

Dion 

A bit of the planet like it, won’t it? It will. It will take out like a big area, but it won’t do it. So when it is fired immediately it obliterates the planet and that’s why her reaction is like. No, ****, that is not what she was expecting. She was expecting maybe a city to get destroyed on old Iran, not the planet, to explode into a million pieces. Right. So that’s interesting. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, that’s way. That’s way. 

Speaker 

Holy flock. 

Jill 

But don’t explain her reaction at the end of nonchalant. 

Dion 

That’s why she was blood. Well, she’s not from Yavin. Sorry. No. Yeah, she’s not from Alderaan. She was born on that weird asteroid built by the robots with the scooping hands. 

Quinny 

There. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, there are so many things in there that you suddenly see through different eyes like it the the film just totally becomes cassian’s story continued. Yeah. Yeah. There’s now just this whole thing with Jin. Cool. OK. She’s the new character that has been introduced. To further the next bit of the plot. 

Dion 

Yeah, like. 

Quinny 

And the the fact that they know nothing about the Death star other than a name and it’s pure us. That, yeah, Galen manages to get the the word out about the the plans and stuff like that. Yeah. It’s just like, holy ****, this is just luck. 

Dion 

Well, remember like in season 2, it’s like you have to remember these three were like 4 words. Like it’s Galen Oso Jetta kiber. Like, these are the important things that we’ve got to say. And also the fact that season 2 goes always out of its way to explain that Cassian is not trusted by the rebellion. This is why he’s in this strange position. So when you get to Rogue one and you’re like, ohh, right, they’re just making **** up. 

Speaker 

Hmm. 

Quinny 

Yeah. You know? Yeah, there is. So so many moments in that that that I. Yeah. You see through a totally different lens and you’re like **** me, OK, that’s different. And the thing that I found interesting, rewatching it is the job, the, the hard work that Rogue One is doing in bridging. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

So yeah, what it’s doing is, and now we know what it’s bridging from and to like we’ve had to, you know, have many Movies Now of Van door. And then Rogue One is this thing that bridges from the seriousness of and or to the weird like kind of goofy **** that you you heard in episode? 4 So you know, it’s quite serious and then they have this bit where they go and now we have to go and see Darth Vader and it’s flying over a planet of lava and he is in the ******* barrel door, ******* tower with lava and **** and you’re. Like what the ****? What’s going on? And contextually it’s pretty much the first time you’ve ever seen anyone use the force apart from the force. Wheeler. And it’s Vader. ******* choking him. And you’re like, 

Dion 

Hmm. Come on. Come on. Quinny. Next thing we know, you won’t be seeing the similarities between Star Wars and The Lion King, the planet, the, the, the lava planet is Mustafa. 

Jill 

You mean King Lear? 

Quinny 

Yeah. 

Dion 

The the the lava planet is Mustafa. You know the voice of Darth Vader is Mustafa. 

Quinny 

Yes. Yep. I mean moving on. 

Dion 

Yes, it’s all. It’s all connected. 

Speaker 

This. Look, not. 

Quinny 

It is all connected and yeah, I like the the way that it kind of then you know keeps it grounded but also starts adding in the the the the forced stuff and it’s like OK, you’ve got your Vader and you don’t see Vader being a full *******. Jedi ****** until the last 10. Like what, 5 minutes of the. 

Dion 

Film. Yeah. Yeah. The last few minutes where he, like, is one of the best entrances to that character and actually helps to understand why people understand, like, ohh, that’s why he’s ******* scary because he doesn’t actually do she. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Dion 

For the rest of this, the he’s just a a presence. He doesn’t do stuff, and that’s what we wanted. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Jill 

That was the most ****** reveal at the end of that movie. 

Dion 

**** yeah. God, yes, like the only the only thing that is more bad us is actually from a comic book about Darth Vader, where the rebellion actually succeeds in shooting him down and he crashes and they just send everyone to try to kill him. And there’s a there’s a great panel series in that in this comic, if you ever want to go have a look for it, that just has. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

Yeah. 

Dion 

There’s like there’s like hundreds of rebel troops. And they’re all like we have you surrounded, lay. Like, lay down. You’re you’re going to die. We’re gonna kill you. Like, if you don’t surrender immediately. And it’s Vader who’s just crawled out of a plane crash. Like, out of a Thai crash standing there. And he just goes. I am only surrounded by fear and dead men. And that’s it. And then he just starts fighting them. And it’s just like. ****, that was kind of what that hallway scene was about, which is like, yeah, I’m just gonna do the most. 

Speaker 

Yes. 

Jill 

****, but also sick. 

Dion 

Yeah. Yeah. ****. Yeah. Yeah. Sick gone, bro. 

Speaker 

Yes, yes. 

Dion 

I wanna know why Vader is the person that they just go vadas coming and everyone just goes ****. 

Speaker 

Hmm yeah. 

Jill 

And then there’s everyone’s got a dark stain at the. 

Dion 

Front of their pants. Yeah. Yep. That’s why I. Well, that’s why I want the brown pants. 

Speaker 

Look. 

Quinny 

I love that Krennic got his ******* comeuppance by being on the planet when it gets shot. Yeah, perfect. 

Dion 

Yeah. If you’re gonna have someone who’s even more ruthless and stuff, get Tarkin. Cause talking like ohh fun kill. 

Quinny 

Yeah. 

Speaker 7 

It. 

Quinny 

I love that because there’s always a bigger fish. Like you know, Krennic comes into Endor and he’s like, yeah, I’m gonna put my head finger on your head, and I’m gonna, you know, mock the ISB and all these things. And then he’s *******, you know, beaten down by Tarkin. And then Tarkin also bounced to Vader. 

Dion 

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 

Quinny 

And there’s always a bigger. Folk and fish, I mean. 

Dion 

I I thought that just to skip back to season 2 of and or there was that really great scene where part of gets? Himself, rather than have to face up to the consequences of what he’s responsible for, is it really great nuance, seeing where the two stall troops are outside and the other guys are standing there and they hear the the blast and they go to react? He just holds up his hands slightly. 

Speaker 

Hmm. 

Dion 

Say no, no, it’s alright. No problem. Moving on. Yeah. Good, nuanced, beautiful rogue one fantastic. It’s definitely worth going and all season 1 and or season 2, Rogue One. And if you’re a monster like Jill straight into episode 4. 

Quinny 

Yeah. 

Jill 

Yep. 

Quinny 

Yeah. 

Dion 

Because they are all. They’re all on the same timeline. 

Jill 

Literally, yeah. 

Dion 

I love it. It’s a it’s a great thing. I really hope that someone edits them because couldn’t you were showing me the other day that someone had done an edit of Obi-wan into a four hour movie and. It looks ******* cool. 

Quinny 

Yes. 

Dion 

Yeah, I hope someone edits all of Andor and Rogue one back in. 

Jill 

I once did the 9 hour sitting where they did all of The Avengers movies like like Pre first. Changes. In like timeline order. So like yeah, the 2 Iron Manns, the Hulk movie, Captain America and Thor, and they cut them in the timeline segments. So it starts with like learning no learning about the Tesla Act, then it goes to 1st Avenger, then you get. 

Dion 

Ooh. 

Quinny 

Ohh ****. 1st Ave. 

Jill 

Lyman won and Hulk at the same time. And then. Ohh wow yeah. And then it cuts back through and then at the very end, it’s Avenger. One and it goes for like 9 ******* hours. Like that is my that is my Lord of the Rings Extended Edition. 

Quinny 

That would never made. Hell yeah. 

Dion 

It’s kind of like one of those things I wanna do, I. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Dion 

Wanna catch one of those? New what is it? Qantas Direct flights, 22 hours straight to London from Sydney. Just queue that **** up. No worries. 

Quinny 

Yeah, I would watch the **** out of that. 

Dion 

Yep. OK, I’m all gunked out. I got. Nothing else in. 

Speaker 

Good. 

Quinny 

The tank. Yeah, we we had done. We have, we have. Look, this is as I’m concerned the greatest ******* Star Wars ship that we have had a long time. Yep and. 

Dion 

Thanks for finally bending it off. 

Quinny 

I don’t know how you follow that up. I don’t know where we go from here. And apparently neither do they. 

Dion 

Skillet. 

Jill 

Angel Lorian movie. 

Dion 

Yeah, yeah. Skeleton crew season 2. 

Speaker 

Quinny 

Oh, that’s not a. 

Jill 

Stranger things in space. 

Dion 

Thing is, it renew the acolyte. 

Quinny 

Was it Jedi Star fighter with ******* Brian? 

Jill 

Yeah, Ryan Gosling. What’s that one about? 

Dion 

What’s? What was Jabba’s son called again? We just talked about that off. Off, Mike. 

Quinny 

And I’ve, do you think I’ve closed the window that had his? 

Jill 

Bob, Bob, shift of the. 

Quinny 

Second, BLOB shadow 2. 

Dion 

BLOB Shido, apparently, that that Hut is is in Mandalorian. Good. 

Quinny 

Oh, OK. 

Speaker 

Yep. 

Jill 

Give US 0 Justice 0, right? 

Dion 

Justice for zero. Look, I don’t know West Dallas is going to go from here, but you know, I’ve. I’ve got a pretty good. Had a pretty good run with it at the moment, so I can’t complain. It’ll keep me going for a little while. 

Jill 

Excellent. 

Dion 

Right. And next week, what are we doing? It’s not Star Wars. 

Jill 

More sci-fi. 

Dion 

What are we doing? 

Jill 

We’re doing murder bot. 

Dion 

Murder Bot, is it murder bot or is it mountain head? 

Quinny 

Are we? I thought it was mountain head, then Murderbot. 

Jill 

One of them. Oh ****. 

Dion 

Yes. Yes, it’s. 

Jill 

Hey, we’re doing mountain here, not sci-fi. Next week. 

Quinny 

Kind of taking a quick break from sci-fi. 

Jill 

Sci-fi look cleanser. 

Quinny 

Of of billionaire *********. 

Dion 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

And then we’re back with Forsyth. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Dion 

It’s Tech Bros and then back for more sci-fi with murder bot, and then we’ll finally get around to talking about the Last of Us. 

Jill 

Little boy. 

Quinny 

Maybe. Maybe unless something better comes along. I mean, not, not not to associate at the Last of Us, which I think is ******* great, but you know, look, there’s a lot happening in, in June. 

Dion 

There we go. 

Quinny 

There’s there’s many things coming out a little bit later this week is the Predator animated films? Ohh yeah. In about 3 days time so I’m. 

Dion 

There’s also ballerina. There’s how to train your dragon. There’s the last of the Mission Impossible movies, which we still haven’t. I’m just. 

Speaker 1 

Yes. 

Quinny 

I don’t care. I don’t want to. 

Jill 

Yeah. I honestly don’t care. 

Quinny 

Sure. 

Dion 

Ohh don’t be like. That. Tom Cruise needs to save cinema. 

Quinny 

Sorry. He did that in ******* Top Gun Maverick and now cinema’s back. And we deserve better than. 

Dion 

That, but also this week is a public holiday long weekend, so I hope you all have a nice day off extra day off that you potentially get paid for or I’ll be watching Mountain Head Mountain head. You could. You should be able to do. Thanks for listening to us talk wars. Oh, running the chat for joining in. That was good. There were some interesting. Points. 

Quinny 

In there I liked yes and yeah. Shout out to Tara. Yes. This month is critical role month. Oh, yes. We have the critical role two shows here in one in Sydney, one in Melbourne and there not appearing anywhere else. At all. They’re certainly not appearing at any Expos or anything like that. No, that. Doing their lives. 

Jill 

Not only that, we endorse not to. 

Quinny 

Exactly. 

Dion 

Be in, in, in, in nothing in Perth and nothing in. 7. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. And so, you know it’s it’s, it’s D&D roll roll out your dice for the for them coming around, yes. 

Quinny 

Amazing. Well, I I don’t think you know what, we’re not even going to try and write in. 

Dion 

No, we’re just gonna say goodnight. Yeah. Call people. You know, I’ve got friends everywhere. There you go. There’s my last little bit of ****, OK? 

Quinny 

I love it. Rebellions are built on hope, peace out *******. 

Dion 

Bye.