How leadership transitions and strategic hiring can make or break your team’s success

When leadership changes happen, the ripple effects can make or break an organization. In this episode of the TRAITS Podcast, we dive into the challenges and opportunities of leadership transitions and strategic hiring with guest Chris DeCock, whose career spans the demanding restaurant industry and executive leadership roles.

Chris shares how he navigated the volatile world of hospitality, where COVID-19 hit the talent pool hard, forcing businesses to rethink how they develop people internally. His insights highlight why strategic hiring isn’t just about filling vacancies—it’s about building a leadership team from the ground up, often starting with front-line staff and developing them into long-term assets.

From there, we explore the value of identifying work ethic, character, and values—qualities that often fall outside personality assessments but are essential in leadership. Chris shares real-world examples of spotting leadership potential where others might overlook it.

The conversation then shifts to the human side of leadership transitions—what it means for employees when a leadership change occurs, and why “people leave managers, not organizations” rings true in almost every industry. Chris emphasizes that leadership transitions must be handled with intentionality, empathy, and a clear plan for sustaining culture and performance.

We also dig into the concept of employee-owned businesses, exploring the strengths and weaknesses of this model, and how it impacts leadership stability. Chris offers practical advice for leadership teams that want to “grow old together” while still bringing in fresh talent to sustain momentum.

By the end of the episode, listeners walk away with actionable strategies for:

Identifying and developing leadership talent internally

Understanding the cultural impact of leadership changes

Avoiding common pitfalls during leadership transitions

Leveraging strategic hiring to maintain stability and drive performance

Whether you’re a CEO, HR leader, or small business owner, this conversation provides a clear roadmap for making leadership changes without losing your best people or derailing your strategy.

Show Notes:

Part 1 of interview

2:25 The restaurant industry? This is terrifying! Who is Chris DeCock?

5:10 Covid killed talent… How to develop within an organization

8:00 Building an executive team from front line staff

12:40 Developing potential long term employees

16:40 Work ethic, character, and values fall outside of personality!

Part 2 of interview

19:10 Employee owned businesses; strengths and weaknesses

24:40 Handling transition: bring value to employees

27:10 Growing old together as a leadership team

32:40 The strategic advantage of having the right people

36:55 “People leave managers, not organizations”

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Manager Accountability and Mentorship: How Leaders Can Take Responsibility and Empower Teams for Lasting Success

In this episode of our HR and leadership podcast, we dive into the essential but often misunderstood role of manager accountability and mentorship in building thriving, high-performing teams. Our guest, Carmel Macpherson, brings a wealth of leadership experience and offers candid insights on what it truly means for managers to take full responsibility for their direct reports while fostering an environment of trust, openness, and growth.

The conversation opens with Carmel’s personal leadership principles, emphasizing the importance of providing positive feedback, truly knowing your team members, and adapting leadership approaches to individual needs. Drawing from lessons in teaching, parenting, and even Star Trek, Carmel paints a clear picture of why managers must understand who they are working with—not just the work they produce.

We then address a critical organizational challenge: the tendency to “promote to a lower level of competency,” where top performers are elevated without adequate preparation for leadership roles. Carmel explains how this can be avoided by focusing on accountability, mentorship, and a commitment to knowing each team member’s strengths, weaknesses, and motivations.

One key insight is her assertion that the real job of every manager is twofold—ensuring team members have the tools, clarity, and support to succeed, and taking full ownership of both successes and shortcomings. She highlights the dangers of systemic personality-based bias, where certain traits are favoured over others, and explains how leaders can recognize and counteract these biases.

From there, Carmel shares practical strategies for building a safe environment where honesty is welcomed, difficult conversations are encouraged, and mentorship becomes a natural extension of leadership. Her tips for understanding direct reports go beyond surface-level interactions, encouraging leaders to ask better questions, observe behaviours, and follow through consistently.

The conversation also touches on how mentorship can accelerate professional growth—both for the mentee and the mentor—when built on genuine accountability. Carmel offers actionable advice for helping managers shift from a task-based mindset to a people-centered leadership approach that inspires long-term engagement and performance.

By the end of this episode, listeners will have a deeper understanding of:

Why manager accountability and mentorship is the foundation of great leadership

How to create a safe environment that encourages honesty and openness

Practical ways to better understand and develop team members

How to recognize and address systemic bias in leadership decisions

The mentorship habits that lead to stronger, more resilient teams

Whether you’re a seasoned leader or stepping into your first management role, this conversation offers valuable lessons to help you take full ownership of your team’s success while building a culture of trust, growth, and high performance.

Show Notes:

0:00 Introduction to the episode

3:00 Carmel’s personal set of rules with people; positive feedback with people

6:25 An essential lesson from star trek

8:20 Taking lessons from teaching and parenting into management: Know who you’re working with!

14:45 A way to reduce ‘promoting to a lower level of competency’

15:35 The real job of every manager

16:05 Systemic discrimination in terms of personality

20:05 The importance of having managers take full responsibility for their direct reports

23:30 How can managers better understand their direct reports… Some simple tips

26:55 Creating a safe environment for honesty and openness

31:45 How to help managers take full responsibility in their role

42:10 Tips for getting the most out of mentorship

48:48 What most people want more than comfort…

Unlocking the Value of Remote Teams: Proven Strategies for Culture, Collaboration, and Performance

In this episode of the [Podcast Name], we dive deep into the value of remote teams with Kayla Baretta, a key leader at Paper-leaf, a company known for building high-performance teams while fully embracing remote work. Kayla shares a candid look at how her organization has harnessed the power of remote teams to drive business success, build strong culture, and keep clients delighted — without relying on physical proximity.

We begin by learning about Kayla’s role at Paper-leaf and how her leadership journey naturally aligned with remote-first operations. She introduces listeners to the transformative moment when Paper-leaf discovered the “magic” of remote teams — not just as a logistical solution, but as a cultural and performance advantage.

One of the central themes discussed is empathy — how it’s not only valuable in client relationships but also a critical driver of internal culture. Kayla explains that empathy in remote teams must be intentional, with leaders creating opportunities for connection that go beyond the transactional nature of virtual meetings.

She introduces practical approaches like “Pods” and “2 Pizza Teams” — smaller, self-contained groups that keep collaboration tight-knit and efficient. Kayla also debunks one of the biggest myths in business today: that connection requires being in the same physical space. In her experience, distributed teams can achieve even deeper connections when they intentionally address “elephants in the room” and work through challenges openly.

We also discuss the challenges unique to remote work, from onboarding new hires to maintaining engagement over time. Kayla highlights that onboarding is not just an HR formality — it’s the foundation for culture, productivity, and retention in remote teams.

Listeners will also hear insights on which scenarios suit remote work best, the measurable benefits to businesses adopting it, and tips for leaders who want to strengthen distributed team dynamics. Whether through virtual events, thoughtful communication strategies, or clear role definitions, Kayla’s approach shows that remote teams can be both high-performing and deeply connected.

The episode closes with a look inside Paper-leaf’s strategic planning process, which ensures that even as a fully remote company, they operate with clarity, alignment, and performance focus. Kayla also shares an unusual but memorable interview experience that underscores the importance of authenticity in hiring.

If you’ve ever wondered how to maximize the value of remote teams in your business, this episode offers both inspiration and practical tools to help you get there.

Show Notes

-0:00 Intro to this week’s episode

-1:40 Who is Kayla Baretta and what does Paper-leaf do for clients?

-4:45 The birth and magic of remote teams for Paper-leaf

-7:20 Empathy and its value with culture and clients

-9:50 Some interesting tips: “Pods”, “2 pizza teams”, and building community

-13:40 Debunking a massive myth… connection doesn’t mean being in the same space

-16:10 Addressing elephants tends to lead to deeper connections quickly

-18:40 Other hurdles for going ‘remote’ (onboarding is key)

-20:40 Greatest benefits to growing remote teams

-22:40 Which situations work better or worse for remote workspaces?

-24:10 Some tricks of the trade for bringing people together

-27:50 Strat planning and higher performance within Paper-leaf

-31:10 Some higher performance communication in an organization (it’s so much more than ‘active listening’

-40:25 An unusual interviewing experience and how to connect with Paper-Leaf and Kayla

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Strategic Planning for Business Efficiency: Polishing Your Business to Shine and Grow

Strategic planning for business efficiency is a cornerstone of sustainable growth and operational success. In Episode 12 of the TRAITS Podcast, Stephen Wallace shares his journey of transforming a growing engineering firm into a "shiny business" through focused strategic planning, organizational design, and effective job descriptions.

Stephen explains that a "shiny business" is like a well-maintained vintage car—each part polished and working in harmony to present an attractive, high-performing whole. This mindset goes beyond aesthetics; it embodies clarity, coordination, and efficiency in every aspect of a business, from financial systems to employee roles.

The episode delves into the importance of stepping back from day-to-day urgencies to focus on strategic priorities that align the leadership team and provide clear goals. Stephen shares how his ownership group, young and ambitious, moved from informal growth to structured planning, which helped create ownership and accountability across the organization.

One critical focus was developing an organizational structure with clear reporting lines and detailed job descriptions. This clarity eliminated confusion, improved communication, and increased operational efficiency. Job descriptions became tools for individual accountability and performance conversations, contributing to a more engaged and productive workforce.

Stephen also shares his experience with acquisitions and how having a polished, efficient business made his company an attractive platform for growth and acquisition, illustrating the tangible value of strategic planning and organizational discipline.

For leaders and HR professionals, this episode offers practical advice on creating a business that not only looks good from the outside but also runs efficiently inside—setting the stage for sustained growth, better talent attraction, and higher valuation.

Show notes

2:00 Why did Stephen Wallace create a “Shiny” business?

6:10 What is a strat plan? How does it help create a higher performing business?

7:50 Taking a step back and becoming coordinated

10:20 What is a shiny business?

14:30 Why think through a ‘selling’ exit from your business?

16:00 The greatest benefit to preparing a business for sale

18:20 The value of great job descriptions

21:00 The end result of investing in strategy

25:25 Getting a higher multiple than expected (you’ve gotta do the work!)

29:20 How Stephen helps other businesses

Strategic Planning Resources & Links

We can help develop your Strategic Planning process to improve your organization’s performance and achieve long-term success. Contact us today or [email protected].

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In this episode, we're excited to introduce a game-changing feature that will transform the way you hire. The new Compare Report combines our job modeling expertise with the TRAITS survey to provide deeper insights into candidate-job fit. Discover how this feature helps managers identify key differences, gaps, and opportunities, making the hiring process more accurate and efficient.

Whether you're recruiting, promoting, or simply ensuring the right fit in your team, this tool offers actionable insights to make smarter decisions. Tune in to learn how this innovative feature can elevate your hiring strategy.

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Transforming Government: How Business Strategies Create Unicorn Leadership

Transforming government by applying innovative business strategies is no easy feat—but Darren Elder is a true unicorn leader making it happen. In this episode, Darren, the Chief Administrative Officer of a Saskatchewan municipality, shares his unique approach to running government like a business, supplementing tax dollars through creative ventures, and leading with a high-performance mindset.

Darren’s journey begins with his farm upbringing, where resourcefulness and problem-solving were essential. This practical mindset shaped his leadership philosophy in government—focusing on cash flow, strategic growth, and operational efficiency, typically seen in the private sector.

He discusses the creation and rapid growth of Swift Net, a municipally owned internet provider that expanded from 500 to 5,000 customers in just 30 days. This venture exemplifies how government can innovate and serve its community in new ways, providing essential services while reducing taxpayer burden.

The conversation covers the challenges of managing growth and scaling high performance within a government context. Darren shares how understanding employee capacity and leveraging talent optimization through TRAITS assessments helped him build a productive, motivated workforce.

He also emphasizes the importance of placing people in roles suited to their strengths, avoiding wasted potential—illustrated by his story of transitioning a Fire Chief into a different role better aligned with his skills.

Listeners will gain insight into the traits Darren values in high performers across various organizational levels—from assertiveness and flexibility in management to sociability in frontline roles.

Darren’s approach highlights the blend of entrepreneurial spirit and public service dedication needed to create lasting positive impact in government.

For leaders, HR professionals, and public sector innovators, this episode offers practical strategies for transforming government by adopting business-minded leadership and talent management.

Transforming Government with Business Strategies Show Notes :

0:00 Have you ever met a unicorn?

2:30 Being creative with limited capital

4:20 The beginnings of Swiftnet

6:30 Running government like a business and investor

10:45 How does any organization best deal with growth and reaching high performance?

13:00 Moving great people into the right roles; Innovation wherever it exists

15:00 What to look for in higher performers

16:00 Various levels and needs in an organization

17:45 Stop putting reeboks on turtles

20:50 When communicating with people… Start with understanding who they are

23:30 Reducing latency is key!

Resources & Links

Compare Report Launch Event

Introduction to Communicator Training

Swift-Net.ca

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The Right Fit: How Using TRAITS Matches Personalities to Roles for Optimal Performance

The right fit between a person’s personality and their role is critical to driving individual and organizational success. In this episode, Mike Moreau explores how the TRAITS psychometric tool provides a nuanced and scalable way to match employees with roles that best suit their natural characteristics.

Mike starts by highlighting how TRAITS measures personality traits on a continuous scale, offering far more specificity than traditional categorical assessments. This precision helps organizations understand the complex interplay between assertiveness, sociability, and other traits to predict job fit.

Listeners learn what happens when highly social individuals are hired and placed in roles that require assertiveness or leadership. Mike contrasts the outcomes of assertive versus sociable personalities in different organizational positions, using real examples such as two salespeople with contrasting traits to illustrate how fit impacts performance.

The episode also dives into when a highly assertive person might not be the best fit for certain roles and explores strategies for identifying the ideal fit using TRAITS. Mike shares practical advice for HR professionals and leaders on leveraging these insights to reduce turnover, enhance team dynamics, and build stronger cultures.

This conversation is essential for anyone involved in hiring, leadership development, or organizational design who wants to understand how to find and nurture the right fit for every role.

Show Notes:

0:00 - Summary of our last interview together (with a focus on how the TRAITS tool is very specific because of it’s ability to provide a scale for each trait)

2:50 - What happens when you hire some who is really social?

6:40 - What happens when you have a director who is more assertive than sociable?

13:40 - Where is a good fit for assertive people in an organization?

15:15 - When is a very assertive person not an ideal fit for a specific role?

16:58 - Let’s switch… What happens with people more social than assertive?

22:48 - A tale of two salespeople

26:30 - Some ways to help organizations with finding an exact fit for positions

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TRAITS Blog

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Impact of Personality: Understanding How We Affect Others to Boost Workplace Success

The impact of personality in the workplace goes far beyond individual behavior—it shapes team dynamics, communication, motivation, and ultimately business success. In Episode 8 of the TRAITS Podcast, Fraser Engel shares his extensive experience helping leaders and employees understand how their personalities affect those around them and how self-awareness can become a catalyst for positive change.

Fraser begins by discussing how people often have an innate sense of who they are, yet may lack full self-awareness of how their actions and communication styles impact others. He highlights the value of objective personality assessments in holding up a mirror that shows individuals how they truly come across in the workplace.

A key insight Fraser shares is the balance between self-awareness and curiosity. While people may recognize their traits, the willingness to explore and adapt those traits is essential to meaningful growth and better interpersonal relationships. Fraser emphasizes that motivation to change often comes from within, and managers can facilitate this by asking questions that engage employees’ internal drive rather than imposing directives.

Throughout the episode, Fraser illustrates how understanding personality impact helps leaders communicate more effectively, manage diverse teams, and reduce conflicts. He shares real-life examples, including a remarkable story of a leader who transformed from being a "bad fit" to the CEO of a company by leveraging self-awareness and coaching.

Fraser also touches on the importance of mastering assessment tools and the need for proper training to realize their full benefits. He warns that without skilled facilitation, even the best tools may fail to deliver their potential impact.

For HR professionals, managers, and business leaders, this episode offers practical guidance on how to use personality insights to improve communication, foster motivation, and create healthier organizational cultures. It’s a compelling reminder that the human side of business—understanding people and their impact—is the foundation for lasting success.

Show Notes

0:00 Intro to the episode

2:00 Intro to Fraser Engel

3:34 How do our personalities in the workplace affect others around us?

5:00 How do we help people in our workplace understand their impact on others?

7:50 A way to help people see themselves in the mirror (and their impact on others)

12:50 Once people see themselves more clearly… how do we help motivate them to change certain behaviours?

17:08 Help for placing that mirror in front of others in an organization

19:30 Without a capable facilitator for people, the best tools can be wasted: We need training

24:00 The value of mastering the tools we are using in our business

28:10 An example: A “bad fit” to CEO of an organization

30:10 Ways to connect with Fraser

Learn more about the Impact of Personality

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Personality Assessment for Hiring: Accelerate Success by Unlocking True Employee Fit

Personality assessment for hiring is a powerful tool for building successful teams and accelerating business growth. In this episode, Sean Lavin, President of Aircom Instrumentation, shares firsthand insights on how using personality assessments dramatically reduces turnover, improves communication, and strengthens company culture.

Sean discusses the challenges of rapid growth and the impact of hiring the right people for the right role, highlighting how traditional hiring methods can miss critical insights. He explains how personality assessments like TRAITS provide managers and leaders with objective data that helps them see beyond resumes and interviews to the real person.

A compelling story illustrates how an initially poor fit became a fantastic employee once placed in the right role, emphasizing the importance of self-awareness and aligning roles with natural tendencies.

Sean also compares hiring to dating, pointing out the difficulty of truly “seeing” someone on a first encounter, which is why objective assessments are invaluable. He explains how these tools speed team integration, improve communication, and foster stronger leader-employee relationships.

This episode offers practical advice for leaders and HR professionals to leverage personality assessments for hiring, reduce costly turnover, nurture leadership, and build a thriving organizational culture.

Whether you’re scaling your team or refining hiring practices, this episode provides essential knowledge on how personality assessment for hiring accelerates success and creates lasting impact.

Show Notes - Accelerating Success

1:25 - Introduction to Sean Lavin, president of Aircom Instrumentation

3:00 - Is it valuable to know ourselves better as managers and leaders?

6:15 - Failure leads to insight in business

9:15 - How can better hiring affect turnover?

10:38 - How can leaving people alone in an ideal role affect turnover?

14:15 - A great story that shows how someone who isn’t a fit can become a fantastic fit in a business

18:05 - Hiring and dating are similar… It’s difficult to see the real person on a first date

22:25 - Knowing a hire’s personality can greatly speed success and helps with communication in a business

27:05 - Self awareness leads to better relationships and communication

29:05 - Discovering company values that already exist in your business

Links

Aircom Instrumentation Ltd. LinkedIn

Sean Lavin LinkedIn

Mark's email

Psychometric Assessments Myths: Truths That Drive Better Hiring and Talent Management

Psychometric assessment myths often create barriers for organizations wanting to improve hiring and retention. In this episode, Mike Moreau, President of Concord Consulting, debunks the top 7 myths surrounding psychometric assessments in business, revealing how these tools offer precise, valuable insights beyond simplistic stereotypes.

Mike explains how TRAITS uses a unique, scale-based measurement that captures the nuances of individual personality traits, making these assessments far more accurate and actionable than many traditional tools. He discusses the role of psychometric assessments in improving employee fit and highlights real examples where these tools helped companies avoid costly hiring mistakes.

This episode also clarifies which types of companies benefit most from objective assessments, and why understanding these myths is essential for HR professionals and leaders aiming to leverage talent optimization effectively.

Show Notes

0:00 Introduction to Mike and TRAITS.

3:50 Objection #1: I don’t need generalizations… I need specific help for my business and the people who work here.

9:55 Objection #2: These tools are too simplistic… Can this really tell me anything? 

16:14 Objection #3: Isn’t this simply putting people in boxes?

20:45 What type of company does an objective assessment fit best?

Resources & Links

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