In this episode, we talk about 'About Our Schools' the monumental book written by Professor Mick Waters and Sir Tim Brighouse, released in January 2022. The book is a historical expose on the reality of the British education system, with detailed political interviews elucidating the human experience behind the political shifts in our education system. 'About Our Schools' also sets out a clear route forward for our education system to reach a new epoch in it's evolution, made clear by Mick and Sir Tim. We speak about the why behind the book, the history of some of our former education secretaries, exclusions and pedagogy in great depth, candour and humour.