Amanda Kovattana is a biracial, tri-cultural writer who grew up in Bangkok, in a pre-industrialized Thailand before immigrating to California in 1968. She was born in England to an English mother and a Thai father and lived in England during their college years. As a gender non-conforming child, living in Thailand, she benefited from the “third gender” culture of her Thai heritage. Her coming of age in the San Francisco Bay Area, as a lesbian, introduced her to the gay community and the evolving gay liberation movement. Her skill set draws from her engineer father teaching her how to fix things, while her mother’s profession, as a child therapist and family counselor, gave her an understanding of child development and neurodivergent brain styles. She makes a living as a professional organizer specializing in the chronically disorganized and neurodivergent personalities. In this episode, we discuss her new book, The Unexpected Penis, which is lined in our liner notes.

Links:

The Unexpected Penis: https://a.co/d/hHNyOaS

Amanda’s Substack. https://amandakovattana.substack.com

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Dr. Julia Mason is a board-certified pediatrician and Fellow of the American Academy of Pediatrics. She is a graduate of the University of Illinois and completed residency training in Pediatrics at Children's Hospital Los Angeles. Dr. Mason has a busy pediatrics practice; in the past several years she's encountered increasing numbers of gender dysphoric adolescents, most with neurodevelopmental challenges or psychiatric comorbidities. 

Last week The AAP Board of Directors voted to reaffirm their 2018 policy statement on gender-affirming care but with an important announcement that they will conduct a systematic review of the evidence and revise their guidance for pediatricians accordingly. Dr Mason has been a leading advocate for that systematic review, so we were excited to have her join us to tell us more.

And here’s our conversation with Dr Mason

Links:

Aug 4, 2023 AAP Statement

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/news/25340/AAP-reaffirms-gender-affirming-care-policy?autologincheck=redirected

Dr Jason Rafferty’s Original Policy Statement:

https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/142/4/e20182162/37381/Ensuring-Comprehensive-Care-and-Support-for?autologincheck=redirected

Dr James Cantor’s Critique:

https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Issues/SexualOrientation/IESOGI/Other/Rebekah_Murphy_20191214_JamesCantor-fact-checking_AAP-Policy.pdf

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This episode is a little different, in that it started as an informal conversation between Aaron Kimberly, Aaron Terrell and our friend Jamie Reed from the LGBT Courage Coalition. We’re weren’t entirely sure it would become a podcast episode, so it might be a little more disorganized than even we are known for.  In this recording, we’re discussing a document that some refer to as the Denton Report which was a joint project in 2019 by the Denton’s Law Firm, Thompson Reuters Foundation, and IGLYO to analyse trans activism in Europe and make recommendations that would advance trans activism elsewhere. As such, it outlines key mandates and strategies, including the focus on children, and forced teaming with other issues. We’ve provided a link to this document below.

The Document: https://gendercriticalwoman.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/iglyo_v3-1.pdf

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists/

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Marc is a 40 year old, married transsexual man from Michigan. By day he’s a Senior Legal Processor at a Real Estate Law Firm. He and his wife also have an Etsy business, The Winking Owl Designs.

Marc describes himself as an old hippie soul, an avid animal lover, music lover, cannabis connoisseur, and lover of all humans.

He started speaking publicly about some of the things going on in the LGBT community about a year ago, because he doesn’t agree with many things being pushed by the transgender ideology, especially once they brought children into the fight.

He joined the board of Transsexual Unity to help others find understanding, build bridges, and find common ground through open conversation.

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No guest this week. Instead Aaron T makes the case for why he believes so many butch lesbians become gay transmen after taking testosterone. This is a phenomena widely observed within FtM communities, but neither the people experiencing this sexuality change, nor the clinicians prescribing the hormones, seem to understand why it is happening.

A lot of sexological terms are thrown around in this episode and not defined. Here are some terms that might be useful to know:

"Allo" means other, or external.

"Auto" means self, or internal.

"Gyno" means female.

"Andro" means male.

"Philia" means love (or, less euphemistically, sexual attraction).

"Meta" means self-referential

The vast majority of people are, in sexologic terms, alloheterosexual. A typical heterosexual male is technically "allogynephilic". But a male who is attracted to the thought or image of himself as female is "autogynephilic", while a female who is attracted to herself as male is "autoandrophilic". Both can collectively be referred to as "autoheterosexual". The final term above, meta, is used in this context to describe the type of external sexual behaviors of autoheterosexuals, who often experience (and act upon) homosexual desires as a means of validating their self-perception as the opposite sex. For example, an autogynephilic male is not attracted to other males (not alloandrophilic), but sexual behavior with males serves as a validation of the self as female. That is metaandrophilia.

Aaron T mentions a recent episode of the 'A Special Place in Hell' podcast: https://youtu.be/PoJnbL9QMq8

Don't listen to this podcast. At least not here. Head over to YouTube https://youtu.be/UKQErjjStIk where you will find a transcript to accompany the often difficult to hear audio. 

In the third installment of our special series covering the 2023 National Transgender Health Summit, we bring you the recording of a task force from the American Psychological Association (APA), who were presenting their working Guidelines for Psychological Practice with Transgender and Gender Diverse People. All four people on the task force identify as transgender or non-binary.

Here is the current version of the APA’s Guidelines, written in 2015:

https://www.apa.org/practice/guidelines/transgender.pdf

We were grateful to again be joined by a Bay Area pediatrician who attended the conference and was at this session with Aaron T.

We brought Phil Illy back for the launch his book: Autoheterosexual: Attracted to Being the Other Sex. Available today as a paperback, with the ebook and hardcover available on Tuesday, June 13th.

Here is what our own Aaron Terrell had to say about Autoheterosexual, "Expertly researched yet entirely accessible to any layperson interested in this topic. Illy explores the most common type of gender dysphoria with compassion and clarity...You will come away from this book with a much deeper understanding of the human experience at the heart of this current cultural phenomenon."

Head over to Amazon (https://t.co/sVsGOmehu9) where you can purchase your copy as well as read reviews from other friends of the pod, including Dr. Michael Bailey.

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Phil Illy is an autoheterosexual author who, in his words, “aims to mainstream autoheterosexuality and destigmatize it so that more of his kind can jettison shame and live in union with their inner cross-gender spirit.” Prior to writing Autoheterosexual: Attraction to Being the Other Sex, Phil received degrees in physics and mechanical engineering before retiring to Portland, Oregon, where he became best known for his skill at handstand twerking and juggling hula hoops.

Where to Find Phil:

Twitter: https://twitter.com/autogynephilic

Substack: https://phililly.substack.com

PayPal: https://paypal.me/phililly

Some terms and references are used in this episode that may not be clear to the average listener. Here is a brief glossary of terms:

"Allo" means other, or external.

"Auto" means self, or internal.

"Gyno" means female.

"Andro" means male.

"Philia" means love (or, less euphemistically, sexual attraction).

"Meta" means self-referential

The vast majority of people are, in sexologic terms, alloheterosexual. A heterosexual male is technically "allogynephilic". But a male who is attracted to the thought or image of himself as female is "autogynephilic", while a female who is attracted to herself as male is "autoandrophilic". These last two are what our guest has termed "autoheterosexual". The final term above, meta, is used in this context to describe the type of external sexual behaviors of autoheterosexuals, who often experience (and act upon) homosexual desires as a means of validating their self-perception as the opposite sex. For example, an autogynephilic male is not attracted to other males (not alloandrophilic), but sexual behavior with males serves as a validation of the self as female. That is metaandrophilia.

Other resources on the topic:

Foundation Against Intolerance and Racism webinar with Dr Michael Bailey about different kinds of gender dysphoria: https://www.youtube.com/live/Hb0RwBgkotA?feature=share

Dr. Michael J. Bailey's book is The Man Who Would be Queen. https://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu...

Dr. Anne Lawrence's book is Men Trapped in Men's Bodies. https://surveyanon.files.wordpress.co...

Our guest this week is Dr. Diane Ehrensaft. Dr. Ehrensaft is director of mental health, and a founding member of the UCSF Benioff Children’s Hospital Child and Adolescent Gender Center Clinic. She is a developmental and clinical psychologist in the San Francisco Bay Area.

We’re kidding. Sort of.

Aaron T recently attended the Annual Trans Health Summit in San Francisco, where he met up with two similarly concerned local Bay Area clinicians - one a pediatrician and the other a clinical psychologist - the latter of whom managed to covertly record every session of the conference she attended. What you are about to hear is that audio in full, along with commentary by the Aarons and the aforementioned clinicians who will remain anonymous for professional reasons. 

This is the first in a multipart series, where we will bring you into the room of the recent Annual Trans Health Summit. The audio will kick off with a recording and will be frequently paused for commentary from the four of us. Subsequent episodes in this series will have the same format. 

We now give you Dr. Ehrensaft.