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(03:58) Austin Walker’s Life and Ministry After Retirement
(06:12) The Upcoming Book: Short Counsels for a Long Ministry
(09:09) Why Pastors Need Examples of Faithful Perseverance
(11:45) Counsel 1: Pay Close Attention to Your Personal Life
(16:48) Reading Scripture for Your Own Spiritual Nourishment
(20:24) The Lasting Influence of Personal Counsel and Example
(22:26) Counsel 2: Care for Your Wife and Family
(25:57) Pastoral Credibility and the Consequences of Adultery
(27:31) Family Struggles, Repentance, and Being a “Real Deal” Example
(31:00) Asking for Forgiveness and Protecting Family Life
(33:49) Final Word and Prayer for Pastors

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(02:01) Biblical foundations: Ephesians 5/Colossians 3 ideal, 1 Peter 3, Matthew 10's "sword"

(04:46) 1 Corinthians 7 and the evangelistic hope of winning a spouse

(05:37) Caveat: 1 Peter 3 must never justify staying in an abusive marriage

(07:04) First step: identify whether the spouse is supportive, indifferent, or hostile

(09:44) Handling hostile spouses: non-negotiables vs. "not poking the bear"

(11:24) Prioritizing commitments and working around church scheduling

(13:45) Creative service when giving is restricted (meals instead of tithing)

(14:53) Pastor initiating contact with the husband; Jim's own teenage conversion story

(17:16) Disarming through shared interests, hired work, and low-pressure men's gatherings

(20:25) Guidance for believing husbands: godliness and sacrificial love, not demanding authority

(23:02) The pastor's real goal: help the believer live faithfully, not "win" the spouse

(24:56) Closing word and p

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(01:30) The Listener Question: Topical to Expository

(03:01) The Anchor Text: 2 Timothy 3-4

(05:08) The Case for Expository Preaching

(07:56) Broad Exposure to the Whole Bible

(09:02) Teaching People How to Read Their Bibles

(10:19) Brian's Own Church: 70 Years of Topical Preaching

(12:20) Start Short, Familiar, and Compelling

(14:18) Larger Chunks, Shorter Series

(16:49) "Why Are You Giving Us a Bible Study?"

(18:28) The Band of Brothers Illustration

(19:48) Sermon Length as the Hidden Variable

(21:10) Simplicity, Spurgeon, and Ryle

(22:43) Patience — A Multi-Year Horizon

(25:19) Preacher and Congregation Growing Together

(26:39) They're Being Patient With You, Too

(27:30) Sprinkling Topical Sermons Back In

(28:34) Don't Preach a Commentary — Point to Christ

(30:02) Working on the Craft of Communication

(31:37) Final word and Prayer

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(01:15) Framing the topic: pastors, money, and the question of retirement

(02:30) Biblical tension: trust God vs. plan wisely for the future

(04:30) Providing for wives and widows; inheritance and 1 Timothy 5:8

(06:45) Calling, longevity in ministry, and the “20–25% who make it to retirement age”

(08:30) Brian and Jim’s ages and seasons; Dr. Robert Smith Jr. on “I’m not retiring, I’m reassigned”

(10:20) Longer lifespans, medical costs, and needing expert financial help

(12:05) Life insurance amounts, caring for a likely-longer-lived wife, and Social Security decisions

(14:10) Power of starting small: investing early (e.g., $100/month from age 30)

(15:40) Split in the road: U.S. context vs. international context for pastors

(16:50) Global realities: pastors in parsonages with no home, savings, or safety net (Philippines example)

(18:00) Denominational support, pensions drying up, and intergenerational housing as a “retirement plan”

(19:00) U.S. pastors: Social Security, basic salary packages, and lack of formal retirement accounts

(20:45) Owning a home vs. long-term parsonage living; basic retirement practices for U.S. pastors

(22:30) Medical costs, health-sharing programs, and the burden of healthcare in later life

(24:10) Core exhortation: don’t punt on planning—life insurance, small retirement contributions, home ownership

(26:00) International pastors: when retirement options are minimal, planning with children and family

(27:00) Developing a life skill / bivocational trade to support long-term provision

(28:00) Encouragement for bivocational pastors and challenges for older men without alternate skills

(29:15) “Retirement” vs. “reassignment” in ministry callings

(30:45) Jim’s distinction: calling to full-time pastoral work vs. continued service in other roles

(32:10) Case study: seminary president planning to step down at 75, then feeling able to keep serving

(33:30) Practical implications: stepping aside from paid role while freeing salary for younger men

(34:30) Importance of planned transition before you “feel done” (Alistair Begg example; Brian’s own 60+ plan)

(35:55) Final exhortations: have a plan; others are affected by your decisions

(36:28) Closing prayer for wisdom in retirement and provision planning

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(02:09) Setting up the conversation—1 Thessalonians 5:14 and Categories in the Church
(04:00) Metaphor: Buckets with Holes vs. Buckets with Solid Bottoms
(07:19) Identifying the Weak, Faint‑Hearted, and Idle
(09:01) Dangers of Ignoring or Being Consumed by Weak Sheep
(11:16) When Investment Bears Fruit vs. Feels Wasted
(14:21) Admonish, Encourage, Help – Three Pastoral Approaches
(18:27) Setting Boundaries and Bringing Others into Care
(21:50) Non‑Compliance, Coddling, and Loving Admonishment
(25:08) Life‑Giving vs. Life‑Draining Meetings for Pastors
(29:00) Distinguishing Truly Weak from Resistant and Bitter
(31:24) Final Exhortations, Two Quotes from Mentors, and Closing Prayer

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(01:45) Coalition Ministries Introduced (Mile One, 20 Schemes, Church in Hard Places, Practical Shepherding)
(04:00) Mile One Mission & Newfoundland Context
(06:30) 20 Schemes: Church Planting & Revitalization in Scotland’s Schemes
(08:30) Church in Hard Places: Global Training for Indigenous Leaders
(11:00) Why a Coalition? Shared Theology, Hard Places, and Cooperation
(13:10) What Makes This Conference Different (Equipping Focus & Non‑Celebrity Speakers)
(15:00) Main Sessions in Titus: Building Robust Leadership Pipelines
(17:00) Working Together Across Contexts: “Landing the Plane in Different Airfields”
(19:00) Exhibitors & Partners: Curated Ministries, Not Vendor Hall
(21:30) Equipping Tracks Overview: Church Planting, Revitalization, Missions
(24:00) Biblical Counseling Track: Addiction, Abuse, and Local Church Care
(26:00) Additional Tracks: Women, Men, and Expository Preaching
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(30:00) Friendship, Cooperation, and the Need for Pastoral Companionship
(32:00) Invitation to Attend & Closing Prayer for the Conference

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(01:45) Introducing Bethel Webb & Practical Shepherding Women
(03:15) Bethel’s Background in the Philippines & Ministry Family
(06:15) Call to Counseling & Move to Southern Seminary
(08:15) Connecting with Kara Croft & Joining Practical Shepherding
(10:25) Two Types of Pastors’ Wives
(11:50) The Deep Struggle of Isolation for Pastors’ Wives
(15:00) Finding a Place in the Church & Expectations
(17:30) Cultural Differences in Expectations of Pastors’ Wives
(19:15) Global Patterns & Unique Church Contexts
(20:55) Three Pillars of the Women’s Ministry: Care, Content, Cohorts
(23:00) Counseling, Writing, and Upcoming Book Studies
(24:45) Global Cohorts & Safe Spaces for Pastors’ Wives
(26:45) Mentoring Pastors’ Wives & Need for Seasoned Leaders
(29:00) Challenges Facing Pastors’ Kids & Deconstruction
(31:15) Giving PKs Freedom, Voice, and Honest Conversation
(32:43) Final word and Prayer

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(03:20) Framing the Question: Do Pastors Need Seminary?
(05:10) Biblical Foundations for Training
(06:50) How Seminaries Assumed the Training Role
(07:27) Jim’s Training Story: Church-Based “Seminary”
(10:00) Brian’s Training Story: Mentors & “Informal M.Div.”
(13:15) Serving at Southern Seminary Without a Seminary Degree
(15:45) So, Is Seminary Required? Global & Historical Perspective
(18:30) Who Really Needs Seminary? Denominations, Missions, Teaching
(21:45) Credentials and Closed Doors
(23:30) Seminary as Structure, Deadlines, and Motivation
(26:05) The “Educational Bubble,” Enrollment Decline, & Competition
(28:10) Tension: “You Need the Church” vs. “You Really Need Us”
(29:40) Encouraging Smaller, Church-Connected Seminaries
(31:15) Alternative Pathways & Practical Shepherding Cohorts
(32:40) Encouragement to Non‑Seminary Pastors
(34:45) Pastors, Don’t Outsource Training Your Men
(37:10) Final Word & Prayer

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(01:45) Biblical Framework: when should/shouldn’t pastors defend themselves?

(03:40) Biblical tension: Jesus’ silence vs. Paul’s self-defense; key NT texts

(06:55) Proposed “template”: personal slights vs. ministerial slander; online smear story

(09:35) Important caveat: abuse, real guilt, and not helping guilty pastors “defend” themselves

(10:28) Clear cases to defend: disqualifying accusations (false romantic relationship story)

(13:09) Private vs. public accusations; defending against allegations of illegal activity

(15:05) Accusations of heresy and doctrinal error; how and why to respond

(19:18) How to defend without being defensive: tone, frequency, and using elders/outside counsel

(23:26) When not to defend: social media critique (“cesspool of wokeness”) and letting it go

(25:39) Critiques of preaching style/length and why not to publicly “answer from the pulpit”

(28:23) Lifestyle criticisms: vacations, cars, “nice things,” and unnecessary self-justification

(31:10) Vacation time example: fear of criticism and the paralysis of people-pleasing

(33:21) Don’t chase gossip; when silence is wiser than trying to correct every rumor

(34:12) Final counsel: humility, prayer, seeking counsel; closing prayer

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(03:32) Setting up the Topic: Good Shepherd, bruised reed, and advocate (John 10; Matt 12; 1 John 2)
(06:21) 2 Timothy 4:2 – strong exhortation joined with great patience and teaching
(07:52) Why harsh, “hammer” preaching is celebrated (reaction to church-growth / soft preaching)
(12:37) Croft’s overreaction to weak preaching and a friend’s “you need to chill” correction
(16:15) Faithful and effective: fear of man, law-only vs. comfort-only ministry
(20:10) How to preach to tender consciences: wounding and then binding up
(22:56) Knowing your flock: medicine vs. poison and dangers of one-tone preaching
(24:55) Keeping sermons hopeful; translating private care of sensitive souls into public preaching
(28:23) Law–gospel tension and the exhausting pursuit of doing “enough”
(32:00) Grace, obedience, assurance, and pride in the tender conscience
(33:05) Final exhortations: patience, prayer, and accepting we cannot fix people