Trent Reznor says he’s never listened to a podcast before, but he makes a great guest. In this wide ranging interview, Lizzy and Trent cover everything from MSNBC addiction to Tom Ford’s quarantine insights to the particular challenge and pleasure of scoring for animated films. They also talk about how Trent’s approach to songwriting has changed over time, as he’s evolved from a guy screaming into the void in private, to a guy screaming into the void in public, to a married, sober father of five going to the office every day to make some of the coolest, weirdest, most beautiful music of his career.

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