Kevin Follonier, founder of the When Shift Happens podcast, reveals the reason he doesn’t own a house and why traditional investing is quietly losing people money.

“I never trusted the system. That's why I built companies.”

That mindset eventually led Kevin to launch the When Shift Happens Podcast, where he interviews the biggest voices in crypto and business.

Don’t miss out on Kevin’s rollercoaster of a story into crypto:

• Taking a plane for a 15-minute coffee about Bitcoin

• Fixing the big reputation problem in crypto

• Surviving the 2022 market crash

• Travelling around the world for in-person only podcasts

Kevin also talks about working with Steven Bartlett (founder of The Diary Of A CEO) and what he learned about high performers while building his show.

Timestamps:

(00:00) - Intro
(01:02) - Crypto’s reputation problem
(03:00) - Why people think crypto is a scam
(06:18) - Kevin’s first business & health crisis
(07:50) - Discovering Bitcoin in the bear market
(09:17) - The coffee that changed everything
(10:10) - Reading The Bitcoin Standard
(11:46) - Bitcoin as the new internet
(13:03) - Why the system is designed against you
(14:30) - The hidden hurdle rate problem
(15:22) - Why real estate is losing money
(16:40) - Bitcoin vs traditional investing
(18:00) - Why fiat currency always loses value
(20:00) - Everything feels expensive today
(22:15) - People are financially stressed
(23:33) - What people want to watch
(25:00) - Building the When Shift Happens podcast
(27:45) - Recording 16 podcasts in one week
(29:12) - The imposter syndrome of crypto wealth
(32:00) - FTX crash
(33:40) - Podcasting is networking on steroids
(37:52) - The Naomi Campbell NFT story
(40:30) - The moment the channel exploded
(47:30) - Why in-studio podcasts win
(50:00) - The science behind YouTube thumbnails
(57:00) - Flying around the world for guests
(01:01:20) - What successful people are really like
(01:03:05) - The hidden cost of success
(01:07:20) - Why most people quit too early
(01:09:30) - Kevin’s dream podcast guests (outro)

Protect your bitcoin with Trezor: ⁠https://trezor.io/

The current financial and education systems aren’t just broken, they’re failing the next generation.

In this episode of Trezor Talks, Sean sits down with Lina Seiche, creator of The Little HODLer, to explore why financial education matters, how inflation has been normalized, and why people should understand money before they’re encouraged to take on debt.

Lina shares her journey from musician to Bitcoin educator, how The Little HODLer grew into a global project, and what it’s really like working with the Ministry of Education in El Salvador to teach kids about value, savings, and ownership.

In this conversation, you’ll learn:

• Why “financial freedom” means control, not wealth

• How inflation has been quietly normalized

• Why we don’t teach kids about money (and what it costs us)

• How Lina went from webcomics to government collaboration

• What self-custody really means in everyday life

Timestamps:

(00:00) - “Hey Jude”…

(00:50) - Welcome Lina! (and Sean speaks German… basically)

(04:34) - The Little HODLer story

(06:17) - How it all started: building a company

(09:39) - Bitcoin CRASH 💀

(11:30) - First viral moment

(12:30) - Creating Bitcoin comic strips during lockdown
(14:59) - A Little HODLer plushie is born… ✨
(18:01) - No business plan
(18:52) - Bitcoin Miami 2021
(19:35) - Little HODLer iceberg (more than a cute plushie)
(22:43) - How Lina connected with Trezor
(28:48) - Getting into Bitcoin (2017) 💊
(32:51) - Brötchen inflation
(35:01) - Reading The Internet of Money (questioning the system)
(36:11) - Germany’s saver mindset
(37:40) - Why sending fiat internationally sucks
(38:18) - Spending in bitcoin
(38:34) - Bitcoin jobs
(39:24) - Is Bitcoin still accessible?
(39:54) - Meeting the President of El Salvador
(41:00) - Going to Bitcoin mecca
(43:17) - Bitcoin education project with the Ministry of Education
(45:09) - This is how you teach people about money
(46:15) - Debt slavery
(47:42) - Working with governments to educate kids about money
(50:59) - Self-custody as the orange pill 🍊
(53:49) - This should be normal…
(57:23) - ATM fees & banking pain points 💀
(58:53) - This will affect everyone in the future
(01:01:01) - NGU won’t keep you around
(01:01:48) - A warning
(01:05:21) - What’s it like in El Salvador
(01:12:13) - Sean tries to give bitcoin to a tour guide
(01:14:11) - Bitcoin volcano mining, fact or myth? 🌋
(01:14:49) - What if Bitcoin didn’t exist? (Outro)

Check out Little HODLer: https://thelittlehodler.com/

Protect your bitcoin with Trezor: https://trezor.io/

They didn’t just buy Bitcoin, they rebuilt their lives around it. In this episode, Sean sits down with Giacomo Zucco & Mir Liponi, the driving force behind the Plan B Network, a movement dedicated to hard money education, community building, and supporting Bitcoin-centric startups.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• Why they quit their traditional careers to focus on Bitcoin

• What the early Italian Bitcoin scene looked like

• Why in-person connections are key to long-term adoption

• How they're helping people get real jobs in Bitcoin (and what most people get wrong)

Timestamps:

(00:00) - Meta welcome

(01:28) - Bitcoin culture in Italy 🇮🇹

(09:55) - Radicalization in Italy post-lockdowns

(13:08) - Sharing the orange pill 💊

(16:00) - Quitting traditional jobs for Bitcoin

(17:44) - Starting a movement from meetups

(21:07) - The early days of Bitcoin in Italy

(22:52) - Bitcoin conferences then vs. now

(29:00) - Bitcoin adoption

(32:16) - Getting into Bitcoin be like…

(32:53) - Honey Badger meme origin 🦡

(34:10) - How Plan B Network started

(40:32) - Mir’s work building global hubs

(42:35) - Learn about Bitcoin (free course)

(45:50) - How to get a job in Bitcoin

(48:00) - Teaching Bitcoin to professionals

(50:08) - The biggest collection of Bitcoin knowledge?

(52:34) - Why better beginner content is needed

(56:34) - What’s changed since you started?

(01:02:10) - Tips for getting hired in Bitcoin

(01:07:20) - Want more sats? Keep your fiat job

(01:08:25) - What’s next?

(01:10:44) - Conclusion and traditional awkward handshake (outro)

Check out Plan B Network: ⁠https://planb.network/⁠

Protect your bitcoin with Trezor: ⁠https://trezor.io/

Roman Reher (aka Blocktrainer) went from an IT professional to one of the most influential Bitcoin educators in Germany. After a near-death experience, he made it his mission to spread the truth about decentralized money, freedom, and how Bitcoin changes everything.

In this episode of Trezor Talks, Sean sits down with Roman to uncover:

• Why Roman only focuses on Bitcoin (and ignores altcoins)

• How to grow a successful Bitcoin content channel (even in bear markets) • How to reach Bitcoin adoption

• Why it’s never too late to buy bitcoin …and more!

Timestamps:

(00:00) - Introduction and welcoming Roman

(03:20) - The team behind Blocktrainer

(07:24) - How Roman got started during the 2018 bear market

(08:50) - Why there is no second best to Bitcoin

(11:46) - Growing a Bitcoin-focused channel

(13:04) - How to create great Bitcoin content

(16:33) - Falling down the Bitcoin rabbit hole

(23:32) - The Agent Smith Effect explained

(27:58) - Bitcoin as a network of truth

(31:14) - Why fear should not control your life

(34:10) - Why Blocktrainer stays German-only

(39:05) - Germany’s pro-HODLer tax law

(42:05) - The best path to Bitcoin adoption

(48:54) - Advice for aspiring YouTubers

(49:20) - Roman’s near-death experience

(54:15) - Why you should not quit your job for Bitcoin

(55:50) - How to talk to Bitcoin skeptics

(01:03:27) - Money as society’s base layer (Dunbar’s number)

(01:05:33) - Is it too late to buy bitcoin in 2025?

(01:12:30) - Why you should not plan life too rigidly

(01:16:00) - Closing thoughts and the awkward handshake

Secure your crypto with Trezor: https://trezor.io/

They made the first-ever auditable Secure Element chip. This changes everything for crypto security and beyond…

Jan Pleskač (CTO) and Kryštof Jelínek (CBO) have been part of Tropic Square’s 5+ year mission to solve the problem of closed architecture chips that have NDAs and limited transparency. 

Imagine this: your device has a Secure Element chip to protect your secrets, but when a flaw is found, you’re not allowed to disclose it!

That’s the reality for many closed chips today. Tropic Square is changing that with community-verified chips, so you don’t have to trust blindly.  

In this podcast, you will discover:

• Why open-source transparency is vital for future-proof crypto security

• How auditable chips protect against hidden vulnerabilities

• What open architecture hardware means for trust and innovation

• How Tropic Square approaches the quantum threat

  
  

And more insights from 5+ years of development.

“Open-source isn’t about protecting yourself... It’s about protecting your customers.” 🫳🎤

Timestamps:

(00:00) – Intro: Welcome Tropic Square! 🌴

(02:00) – What does open-source mean to you?

(06:26) – Why you should care about open-source transparency

(15:26) – Who the TROPIC01 chip was built for

(22:45) – Real-world TROPIC01 chip integrations

(25:40) – Convincing people that privacy matters

(28:00) – Build it and they will come 🛠️

(29:10) – Future plans for Tropic Square

(37:59) – TROPIC01 chip for Trezor Safe 7 customization

(39:55) – This changes everything 🚀

(46:32) – What it’s like to build an open architecture security company?

(47:47) – Closing thoughts and awkward handshakes

Secure your crypto with Trezor: https://trezor.io/

Can Bitcoin save us from AI censorship, misleading media, and government overreach?

Efrat thinks so.

Marketing professional turned freedom activist, journalist, and podcaster, Efrat Fenigson joins Sean in the Trezor Talks studio to discuss her journey and why she left her career behind to pursue journalism, Bitcoin, and traveling.

They dive into:

- The moment she walked away from her big tech job

- How to fight censorship as an independent journalist

- Why most startups fail (and how to build one that lasts)

- Why personal brands are the future

- Her concerns around AI, freedom, and state control

- Why she turns down most brand partnerships — except Trezor :)

And more!

Done with providing "shareholder value" for big companies, Efrat is now chasing the truth. And her journey might just shift how you see the future of Bitcoin, media, and control.

This podcast was filmed during BTC Prague.

Timestamps:

(00:00) - Intro: Journalist, or marketer?

(07:51) - COVID changed her mission

(15:49) - Fighting censorship as an independent journalist

(18:04) - The bull and bear case for AI

(22:19) - Are you giving value, anon?

(24:20) - Building brands VS. having a boss

(27:37) - Many influencers are dishonest

(30:46) - Building a personal brand? Start here

(32:41) - Sean noticed this while working at Trezor…

(36:15) - We need more transparency in the world

(39:27) - Why many startups fail

(41:00) - Outro: Efrat has recorded seven podcasts this week 😳

(45:25) - Closing alarm & awkward handshake

Secure your crypto with Trezor: https://trezor.io/

If Bitcoin’s famous 4-year cycle is breaking down, what does that mean for investors, and does it weaken the case for Bitcoin’s future?

In this episode of Trezor Talks, popular Bitcoin podcaster and Austro-libertarian thinker Stephan Livera joins Sean to explore Bitcoin’s role in a late-stage fiat world.

They discuss:

• How hyperbitcoinization could actually happen

• The risks of treasury companies holding Bitcoin

• Why Bitcoin is the greatest opportunity for young people

• What it really means to live in late-stage fiat

• Why gold is not the money of the future

• How to survive bear markets without getting rekt

• Why self-custody will always be #1

And more!

“For most people, the safe thing to do is stay humble and stack sats.” — Stephan Livera

This podcast was filmed during BTC Prague.

Timestamps:

(0:00) – Introduction: What is an Austro-libertarian?
(5:05) – Stephan’s mission: spreading Bitcoin awareness
(10:36) – Are Bitcoin’s 4-year cycles ending?
(19:40) – The risks of Bitcoin treasury companies
(28:27) – Living in late-stage fiat
(30:15) – You need to ride the cycles 🎢
(32:00) – Purity tests in Bitcoin
(36:15) – NGU technology & onboarding newcoiners
(40:00) – Why people keep using exchanges
(41:48) – How to stop friends losing coins
(46:40) – Wen hyperbitcoinization?!
(51:25) – Why you’re still early
(53:10) – Sean got his bank frozen
(54:55) – Will Google & Apple bow to Bitcoin? (YES!)
(56:18) – Prague has become a Bitcoin hub
(57:26) – Zoom out: price vs. big picture
(59:30) – Sean’s favorite meme on surviving the bear market
(1:01:50) – Bitcoin vs. gold & property
(1:08:10) – Closing thoughts & the awkward handshake

Secure your crypto with Trezor: https://trezor.io/

What happens when the Chief Technology Officers of Trezor and Ledger meet in the same studio?

In this special Trezor Talks episode, we leave behind social media drama for industry insights. Tomáš Sušánka (Trezor) and Charles Guillemet (Ledger) join Danny Sanders, Trezor's CCO, for a rare, behind-the-scenes look at the future of crypto security and self-custody.

You’ll learn:

• Why devices without screens give a false sense of security

• How both companies are preparing for quantum computing

• The Ledger feature that saved $18 million for users in one month

• Where Trezor and Ledger collaborate to push the industry forward

• What a day in the life of a CTO looks like

• The biggest crypto security challenges in 2025

Two hardware wallet titans discuss one shared mission: keeping your keys safe and supporting self-custody.

Timestamps:

(0:00) – Introduction

(3:04) – Charles’s journey into crypto security

(7:46) – Tomáš’s background and experience

(11:34) – Trading compliments (becoming frens)

(14:31) – Education & the self-custody mission

(19:12) – Balancing security, privacy, and usability

(26:30) – Industry security challenges today

(29:31) – Ledger's security philosophy

(36:25) – Trezor’s open-source approach

(37:47) – Why device screens matter for safety

(41:04) – Clear signing initiative and collaboration

(47:11) – Smart contracts and user freedom

(53:50) – A day in the life of a CTO

(59:35) – Future tech & industry trends (quantum computing)

(1:09:36) – Challenges for Bitcoin & post-quantum cryptography

(1:12:17) – Bitcoin, stablecoins & traditional finance

(1:18:22) – Conclusion and traditional awkward handshake (outro)

Secure your crypto with Trezor: https://trezor.io/

Can you really buy bitcoin anonymously in 2025?

In this episode of Trezor Talks, Sean sits down with Lea Petrášová, CEO of peer-to-peer Bitcoin app Vexl, to explore how people are buying everything from cars to cookies, without KYC, through Vexl’s open-source platform.

Lea breaks down why privacy is the future of Bitcoin, how centralized exchanges are failing us by leaking your data, and what it takes to build strong, private Bitcoin communities.

You’ll learn:

• Why convenience with exchanges is an illusion

• How Vexl works and why it’s different

• Where the fastest-growing Bitcoin communities are

• Why open-source tools are essential for financial freedom

• And yes… what trading bitcoin for a horse looks like

“It’s like Tinder… with privacy. On steroids.” — Lea Petrášová on Vexl

Timestamps:

(00:00) - Introduction

(01:30) - Why buy bitcoin anonymously?

(03:22) - How Vexl works and its most important feature

(05:47) - Connecting with users privately on Vexl

(09:47) - Sean’s experience using Vexl

(12:38) - Concerns with centralized exchanges

(16:11) - The importance of privacy

(19:00) - Why Vexl is free and open source

(24:07) - Who is Vexl for?

(28:15) - Using bitcoin for payments

(31:33) - Community support and zooming out

(34:53) - The fastest-growing Bitcoin communities

(36:40) - Unique Vexl trades (cookies, horses & more)

(42:45) - The future of Vexl

(45:53) – The traditional awkward handshake (outro)

Secure your crypto with Trezor: https://trezor.io/

In this episode of Trezor Talks, Sean sits down with Adam Budínský, Trezor’s Head of Product (Hardware), to reveal how the world’s most iconic crypto hardware wallets are made.

From initial sketches to sourcing components, Adam reveals the full lifecycle of devices like the Trezor Safe 3.

In this episode, you’ll discover:

• How the Trezor devices are developed from idea to launch

• Why great design makes security feel effortless

• How to build hardware when supply chains break

• What’s coming next for Trezor devices

Watch to learn how Trezor builds hardware wallets that protect crypto for more than 2 million users worldwide.

Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction to Adam’s role at Trezor

(03:28) Joining Trezor and first impressions

(04:47) Building the Trezor Safe 3

(08:06) Going from an idea to building a product

(12:20) The complete hardware building process

(15:20) How Trezor handles supplier disruptions

(17:55) The subtle things users don’t notice about Trezor’s design

(19:50) How much flexibility do hardware engineers have when building?

(23:05) Where the shape and feel of Trezor came from

(27:35) Hidden features

(30:49) The process behind a successful hardware launch

(34:48) What the next Trezor could look like

(35:40) Advice for engineers who want to build in crypto security

(37:27) The traditional awkward handshake (Outro)

Secure your crypto with Trezor: https://trezor.io/