True Spirits

Is zero waste about buying the perfect jars, or about being thrifty? Hannah talks with Carolyn, a former environmental consultant and owner of People and Planet Refill in Albuquerque, about what it really means to live “zero” waste, if recycling is real, and how closed loop systems work. Carolyn also shares what she learned from a year of trying to avoid new plastic.

In this episode:
♻️ Recycling myths, the numbers inside the triangles, and what wish cycling is and why it doesn't help
🔁 Closed loop systems vs. circular economies
💰 Is low-waste living affordable? And ways to stretch your budget
🫙 What to do with all those glass jars and things you hoard in your cupboards

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In the first episode of True Spirits Podcast, Hannah Lyles sits down with Roan Shafo—an off-grid builder, potter, and self-described dirt goblin living near Belen, New Mexico.

Roan shares his journey from a corporate animation job in Denver to building earthen homes, teaching free natural-building workshops, and creating Camp Darkmoon: a place for community, creativity, and getting your hands in the dirt.

Together, they talk about earth-bag construction, adobe, off-grid living, pottery, housing affordability, and why making things with your hands can be profoundly healing.

This is a thoughtful, funny, and deeply grounded conversation about choosing a different kind of life—and reconnecting with the earth, each other, and ourselves.

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