Confused about which retirement account is best for you? In this video, we break down the differences between Roth vs Traditional IRA, covering key details and considerations to help you make the best decision for your financial future. Watch now to become an expert on Roth vs Traditional IRA!
In this episode, you will learn the following :
● Distinguishing between traditional and Roth IRAs, their tax implications and the significance of rolling over these accounts.
● The IRA contribution rules, emphasizing that one must have earned income to contribute.
● The importance of maximizing catch-up contributions for those over 50.
● The need to stay current with regulations that adjust for inflation and the changing ages for required minimum distributions (RMDs).
● The significance of keeping track of non-deductible IRA contributions, which can affect your tax situation upon withdrawal.
● The five-year rule for Roth IRAs, explaining that both contributions and conversions to a Roth IRA must satisfy a five-year holding period to avoid penalties.
● The estate planning considerations.
● The unique benefits of Roth IRAs in estate planning.
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00:00:00 Here's an example that you have to be aware of too, for example, a lot of people, oh,
I've worked for years and I have a 401(k) plan. Years ago, my employer offered the ability to
have a Roth 401(k). And so you took that up and put some money in there.
00:00:15 Perfect.
00:00:15 And then you say, I'm gonna retire and I'm gonna roll over my IRA and I'm going to–
00:00:23 I'm cringing.
00:00:24 Then take control of it and get it out of the company plan. Why are you cringing,
Matt?
00:00:30 Because if you roll it over into the Roth portion, you're starting that five-year clock
that we just talked about. And it's like, hey, I'm retired, and I'm ready to spend some of my
money. And then you're like, mm.
00:00:43 Oops, I just rebooted my five-year clock. I just re-exposed myself to the taxes that I
wasn't exposed to.
00:00:57 I'm so excited to be here. I can't even wait for the guitar riff, Matt.
00:01:01 You know what? Just cut that guitar riff out.
00:01:04 Let's do this thing. Welcome to the True Wealth Radio Show on this, the greatest
Tuesday you've had all week. I'm your host, Dave Littlejohn. Joining me today.
00:01:12 Matt Dickson.
00:01:13 And we did show prep.
00:01:17 You did.
00:01:18 Yeah.
00:01:19 Well, I was kind of there for some of it, right?
00:01:20 You were. Oh, actually, no, we did do show prep, believe me. We've had a lot of
discussion. Today, we are going to talk about something that should be relevant to all of our
listeners. And no, we're not going to go run off into the weeds. We're not going to talk politics
or anything like that, although it's probably unavoidable knowing who we are. But we are
going to talk about IRAs.
00:01:41 Is it because April 15th is kind of around the corner?
00:01:44 April 15th is around the corner. No, it's the way you say it.
00:01:48 I feel like winter.
00:01:49 Irish Republican Army. Who is that? Not that IRA.
00:01:53 Not that IRA. No.
00:01:54 Yeah, I mean, that was sort of the start of it. And then I've had a number of questions
that have just come up recently. We've had a number of clients that have also been talking to
us about things like, should I convert some IRA into Roth and so forth? So we are going to talk
today about exactly that. Right.
00:02:16 And maybe like, differences versus similarities?
00:02:18 Yeah, if you're, we're gonna look at traditional versus Roth IRAs and some of the use
cases for the win of, you know, the different types. Like, why might you want one over another?
Might you want both? What does it mean? And so, and some of this, we're not gonna shy away
from, there aren't necessarily yes or no answers to this.
00:02:40 Right, we're not really giving out specific financial advice to any one person. We're
just kind of talking about, yeah, we're just talking about, what do these instruments do and if
you need more information you can see us after.
00:02:54 Well, how about this? How about here are some red flags that may tell you that it's
time for you to go speak to somebody more knowledgeable. Okay, so that's some things that I
want to cover today, too. Like–
00:03:06 Give me an example of a red flag where it's like, maybe go talk to someone.
00:03:10 So a red flag would be if you have a retirement plan that gets like a traditional IRA or
401(k) that gets pretty large, right? And so let's say that you have a million and a half or more
dollars in a retirement plan.
00:03:31 Right.
00:03:32 This may start to come into play. So a flag would be when you have an account that
big, the question is, are you actually going to be able to, are you gonna drive yourself into a
higher tax bracket in the future?
00:03:46 Because of the required minimum distribution that you're gonna face when it's time
that you're forced to start pulling money out.
00:03:52 Yes, there are also some issues that come into things like asset transfer, which is a
really diplomatic way to say–
00:03:59 What happens when you die?
00:04:00 When you die, right? And how much do you wanna give to the government, right? If
there's one thing that seems to be pretty universal, and the studies have sort of proven this out
is that folks seem to be perfectly okay allowing someone else to pay taxes, but they'd prefer it
not be themselves.
00:04:18 That, and I've never heard someone say, let's structure this to where the government
gets more.
00:04:23 Right. And yeah, I mean, I phrase that carefully, but just keep this in mind, right?
They've shown studies where they say, well, hey, you can voluntarily pay more in tax and
nobody does it.
00:04:36 Right.
00:04:36 Right? And that really does make sense when you consider that there's a lot of
criticism about how a really giant ecosystem, you throw money into it and it's not super
efficient. And even if it is, I mean, like I say it really simple, government spends money on
things that are against my value system.
00:04:57 Sure.
00:04:58 And I'm like, I don't like that. So, okay, I will give unto Caesar what is Caesar's, right?
You guys know the reference, if you know what I know, then you know. But otherwise, you
gotta pay your taxes, follow the law. Okay?
00:05:12 Perfect. But be smart about it.
00:05:15 Let's be smart about it, right? Part of the beauty of the American experiment is the
concept of liberty, the idea that you can have discretionary resources, you spend how you want
to. Which means you get to spend it the way you want, well then let's try to not give it to the
government so you have it to spend.
00:05:30 I like that.
00:05:30 All right, there's talk about, you know, earth shattering concept here, right? So first,
let's get into high level, you know, there are actually lots of different kinds of IRAs, but there's
really two primary ones. And the reason there's a lot is because you can have individual
retirement accounts, IRAs, but then there are IRAs offered through employers. And so it kind of
adds more variance to it with different thresholds of how much money can go into it and what
the terms are.
00:06:03 Right.
00:06:04 But let's just keep it simple and let's talk about on the personal side of the equation.
We're not talking about what you do, if you've got a job somewhere, if you're self-employed,
we're just saying, hey, I–
00:06:13 So we're just talking regular traditional IRA versus raw.
00:06:17 Traditional versus raw.
00:06:18 That's where we're sticking to, okay.
00:06:19 And to get into that, we better, let's start with, because it's been around longer,
traditional IRAs. So first pop quiz, do you know what initially kind of brought IRAs into the
marketplace? Like when did it happen?
00:06:34 Oh, like the year? I don't know. When did they come into play?
00:06:37 1974.
00:06:39 Okay, so it's been around for a long time.
00:06:41 It's been around for a while, but it was really kind of born in the Gen X time frame.
Like it was born with Gen X. Okay, it wasn't born by Gen X.
00:06:49 So what were your options? Like, can we go back even further? Like what are your
options before the traditional IRA shows up in the 70s? I mean, I'm assuming that workplace
for a–
00:06:58 There used to be a lot more pension plans.
00:07:00 Okay.
00:07:00 401k was new too. I haven't looked that up. So, you know, I'm not a–
00:07:05 Like a historian of like dates.
00:07:07 Exactly. I'm not an encyclopedia of dates for retirement stuff.
00:07:10 Can we just put a chip in your brain that has ChatGPT where it's like, okay, David.
00:07:14 I know what could possibly go wrong with that. You take me off on these tangents.
You know, I suppose if you could safely access and control it and then you knew that it wasn't
going to somehow damage you or pollute your own ecosystem. But if you had, like a direct
neural connection to that kind of information.
00:07:32 Can you imagine the power of a human who had access to that?
00:07:35 It would be amazing.
00:07:36 Yeah.
00:07:37 Right? It would be sort of that matrix idea of like, hey, download a program so I can
fly a helicopter.
00:07:42 Would you make more mistakes or fewer mistakes?
00:07:47 I was checking into some research last night about this and a little bit more this
morning. And it's interesting because the higher intelligence somebody has, the more they
tend to–
00:07:59 Like just sit there and try and make decisions based on all the facts.
00:08:02 Well, it's confirmation bias. They tend to suffer from more confirmation bias. So
intelligent people tend to go, oh,...