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- S02E03 Jeffrey Tucker – Breaking the spell of consensus
Jeffrey Tucker, founder of the Brownstone Institute and Austrian economics advocate, joins Shawn to dissect the COVID-19 response's devastating impact on institutional trust and explore paths to personal sovereignty. This conversation unveils how the pandemic revealed the “total state” pervading all aspects of society, why libertarian institutions failed during the crisis, and how Austrian economics principles point toward reclaiming individual freedom through timeless values and critical thinking.
Guest Background
Jeffrey Tucker is the founder and president of the Brownstone Institute, established in 2021 as a response to COVID-19 policies. He's authored numerous books, including his latest, Spirits of America: On the Semiquincentennial, inspired by Eric Sloan's The Spirit of '76. A prolific writer with 1,000+ articles, Tucker has been a leading voice against pandemic restrictions and institutional overreach. His work spans economics, technology, and individual liberty, with a focus on practical philosophy for modern life.
Highlights
- Tucker's 2005 warnings about pandemic planning and his isolation as a lone voice against lockdowns
- How China scripted the global lockdown response and Western institutions' compliance
- Austrian economics explains how negative interest rates created the bloated managerial class
- The “total state” revelation: regulatory capture extending throughout corporations, media, and academia
- Brownstone Institute's mission to “outwit their experts” with intellectual accountability
- Personal sovereignty through reclaiming time, finding joy in routine, and mastering your domain
Quotes to Remember
- “I was outraged when I saw what was happening. I had been writing about pandemic planning issues since about 2005 because I saw that there was a sector within government that imagined that the way to deal with infectious disease was by nationalizing everything.”
- “We experienced negative interest rates for two decades. And you know from Austrian production theory that under those conditions, what you get is a wildly blown up, overblown capital goods sector that's living off leverage.”
- “We need to reclaim our freedom by first reclaiming our time and the use of our time, the use of our personal space, and reclaiming our brains from those people who have stolen them from us.”
Resources & Links
- Spirits of America by Jeffrey Tucker: https://www.amazon.com/Spirits-America-Semiquincentennial-Jeffrey-Tucker/dp/1630693014/
- Brownstone Institute: https://brownstone.org/
- The Great Barrington Declaration: https://gbdeclaration.org/
- Jeffrey Tucker's articles at Epoch Times: https://www.theepochtimes.com/author-jeffrey-tucker
- Austrian Economics Center: https://www.austriancenter.com/
- Jeffrey Tucker on Twitter/X: @jeffreyatucker
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Music in this episode by More Ghost Than Man.
1 hr 5 min - S02E02 Mathias Buus – The future is peer-to-peer
In This Episode
Shawn interviews Mathias Buus, CEO of Holepunch, about revolutionizing the internet with peer-to-peer (P2P) technologies like Pear Runtime, Hypercore, and Keet. Mathias shares his journey from math student to open-source powerhouse with over 1,000 NPM modules, driven by empowering individuals. They discuss centralized platforms’ flaws, Keet’s open-source controversy, and how businesses can adopt P2P for a trustless future.
Guest Bio
Mathias Buus, Holepunch’s CEO, is a Copenhagen-based JavaScript wizard who’s published over 1,000 NPM modules with billions of downloads. Creator of Pear Runtime, Hypercore, and Keet, he organized the 2025 P2P Summit to rally developers against Big Tech’s grip. His mission: empower individuals with trustless, decentralized systems.
Highlights
- Mathias’s background: From university math’s humbling lessons to prolific open-source contributions, emphasizing individual empowerment through code.
- Origins of Holepunch: Inspired by BitTorrent’s resilience, Mathias generalized P2P for any data, removing infrastructure barriers for app building.
- Centralization flaws: P2P targets data control, censorship, and erosion of sovereignty by platforms like Meta, Google, and X.
- Keet controversy: Partial open-sourcing raises verifiability concerns; Mathias defends modular approach but acknowledges community demands.
- Future vision: A world of borderless, sovereign communication via owned devices; businesses should deprogram centralization and experiment with P2P.
- Practical steps: Start with hybrid models, join Keet communities for collaboration, and focus on sustainable decentralized business models.
Quotes to Remember
- “I'm very driven by the power of the individual… What can I do as a person myself to make an impact on my surroundings?” – Mathias Buus
- “How do you stop a population that has financial and communication independence?” – Mathias Buus on P2P sovereignty
- “You need to learn how to deprogram… Start thinking these crazy things like, what if we just didn't have servers?” – Mathias Buus on adopting P2P
Resources & Links
- Holepunch Official Website -https://company.holepunch.to - Overview of P2P technologies and company mission.
- Keet App Download - https://keet.io - Get the P2P chat app and explore its communities.
- P2P Summit 2025 Recap - https://company.holepunch.to/summit-2025 - Insights from Mathias’s developer event.
- Mathias Buus’s GitHub Profile - https://github.com/mafintosh - View his extensive open-source contributions.
- Mathias Buus’s X Profile - https://x.com/mafintosh - Follow for updates on P2P development.
1 hr 3 min - S02E01 Nicholas Anthony – CBDCs and defying digital control
Shawn Yeager kicks off Season 2 of Trust Revolution with Nick Anthony, policy analyst at the Cato Institute’s Center for Monetary and Financial Alternatives and fellow at the Human Rights Foundation, leading their CBDC Tracker. They dive into the escalating risks of central bank digital currencies (CBDCs), which supercharge government surveillance beyond laws like the Bank Secrecy Act. Nick, author of Digital Currency or Digital Control, traces the 2019 CBDC surge to Facebook’s Libra and flags authoritarian regimes as frontrunners. Learn why financial privacy hangs by a thread and how Bitcoin could be the lifeline.
Guest
Nick Anthony serves as a policy analyst at the Cato Institute’s Center for Monetary and Financial Alternatives and a fellow at the Human Rights Foundation, where he leads the global CBDC Tracker. He monitors the implications of central bank digital currencies across 139 jurisdictions. As the author of Digital Currency or Digital Control: Decoding Central Bank Digital Currency and the Future of Money, he focuses on dissecting the threats posed by centralized financial systems, advocating for decentralized alternatives like Bitcoin to protect individual privacy and freedom.
Highlights
- Season 2 & Fountain.fm Launch (00:00): Shawn unveils Season 2, shifting to Fountain.fm for independent, ad-free distribution. Support via Bitcoin or fiat at trustrevolution.co.
- Nick’s Intro via Nostr (01:31): Shawn welcomes Nick, connected via Nostr, spotlighting his Cato role, CBDC Tracker, and book Digital Currency or Digital Control.
- Cato’s 2014 Mission (03:27): Nick details the Center’s start to challenge central banking post-2008, exploring Bitcoin and fintech alternatives.
- Public’s Financial Woes (08:51): Nick highlights confusion over inflation and government chaos, sparking CBDC curiosity.
- Authoritarian Edge (14:36): Nick reveals seven of ten CBDC nations are autocracies, using them for control.
Quotes to Remember
- “Having conversations about [CBDCs] is so important… if [people] don’t know, then it’s just going to happen without our say.” – Nick Anthony
- “I want people to use alternatives because they’re better, because they’re running to them, not because they’re running away from something.” – Nick Anthony
- “The state is objecting to this… planting in the ground that the state is protesting.” – Nick Anthony
- “Activity is accelerating, but interest is waning… the allure across the world is fading.” – Nick Anthony
Resources & Links
- Nick Anthony’s book: Digital Currency or Digital Control
- Cato Institute’s Center for Monetary and Financial Alternatives: cato.org/centers/cmfa
- Human Rights Foundation CBDC Tracker: hrf.org/cbdc-tracker
- Nick Anthony on X: @Nick-C-Anthony
- Nick Anthony on Nostr
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Music in this episode by More Ghost Than Man.
1 hr 2 min - S01E13 – Reflecting on Trust Revolution: Season 1 recap
In this solo episode, Shawn reflects on the first 12 episodes of Trust Revolution, expressing gratitude to listeners and sharing insights gained from conversations with various builders, thinkers, and leaders. The podcast aims to explore the erosion of trust in traditional institutions and the potential of decentralization and technology, such as Bitcoin, to restore personal sovereignty. Shawn discusses the importance of reaching those curious about alternative systems and highlights key themes like the diminishing trust in centralized entities and the promise of decentralized solutions.
Throughout the season, Shawn engaged with a diverse group of guests, including futurists, technologists, and policy advisors, to discuss topics ranging from private AI and alternative app stores to the implications of AI on society. He emphasizes the need for citizen action and transparency to challenge existing power structures and the role of technology in reshaping business and governance.
As the podcast moves forward, we'll focus on conversations with builders and advocates who are leading the way in creating change and empowering individuals to reclaim control over their trust and privacy.
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Music in this episode by More Ghost Than Man.
20 min - S01E12 OpnState ‒ Global financial control: AML’s hidden cost
OpnState, a pseudonymous civil servant and former corporate banker, joins Shawn to expose the hidden mechanisms of global financial standards and their impact on trust and sovereignty. From his role drafting anti-money laundering (AML) legislation, OpnState reveals how the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) enforces KYC and AML rules, centralizing power and eroding individual rights. He discusses the challenges of reforming a surveillance-heavy system, the power of citizen action through Freedom of Information (FOI) requests, and the hope offered by cypherpunk innovations like Bitcoin. Recorded June 16, 2025, amid growing global tensions, this episode examines why transparency matters, what’s at stake in 2025, and how individuals can reclaim agency in a trust-minimized future.
Background
OpnState is a pseudonymous policy and legislation advisor in a jurisdiction with a major financial sector. Formerly a corporate banker managing million-dollar accounts, he grew disillusioned with a financial system rigged to enrich elites. Now, as a civil servant, he’s drafted over a dozen pieces of AML legislation, giving him an insider’s view of the FATF’s global standards. Through podcasts and posts on Nostr, OpnState critiques centralized control while advocating for transparency and decentralized governance. His pseudonym allows him to speak freely about the erosion of sovereignty and the need for citizen engagement.
Highlights
- FATF’s Global Control: The Financial Action Task Force sets AML and KYC standards, pressuring countries into compliance through mutual evaluations and gray-listing, undermining national sovereignty.
- Erosion of Rights: AML/KYC rules bypass due process, enabling extrajudicial asset freezes and surveillance, a slow erosion of ancestral rights like property and privacy.
- Misaligned Incentives: Civil servants prioritize private-sector prospects and perks over public good, necessitating new incentives like GDP-linked bonuses.
- Bitcoin’s Disruption: Cypherpunk innovations like Bitcoin challenge centralized finance, though integration into traditional systems risks co-option by FATF’s focus on “unhosted wallets.”
- Citizen Power: FOI requests and policy consultation participation can hold governments accountable, with transparency as the key to curbing criminal activity.
- Decentralized Governance: OpnState’s paper on decentralized regulatory frameworks, inspired by game theory, and Taiwan’s POLIS platform offer paths to transparent governance.
Quotes to Remember
- “The government knows everything about you, and you know so little about them. That’s not democracy—that’s a high probability of tyranny.” — OpnState
- “Transparency kills all criminal activity. Cockroaches love to hide from the light.” — OpnState
- “Send an FOI request. It’s free, it’s easy, and it scares the bejesus out of civil servants.” — OpnState
- “Bitcoin negates the old system by creating something better, not by reforming from within.” — OpnState
- “The incentives are all wrong. Civil servants chase private-sector deals, not citizen prosperity.” — OpnState
Resources & Links
- OpnState’s on nostr: Follow his insights on global financial standards and sovereignty.
- OpnState's "inside the government" thread: chronicling his day-to-day observations as a government regulatory policy analyst.
1 hr 6 min - S01E11 Matt O'Dell ‒ The past, present, and future of freedomtech
Matt O'dell, Bitcoin OG and freedom tech advocate, joins Shawn to dissect trust in a world of surveillance and centralized control. From Bitcoin’s role as a beacon of financial agency to Signal's strides in secure communication, O'dell unpacks the tools reshaping money, identity, and expression. As co-founder of Bitcoin Park, OpenSats, and Ten31 Ventures, and host of Rabbit Hole Recap and Citadel Dispatch, he shares a decade of insights on building privacy-first businesses and communities. Recorded June 16, 2025, amid global tensions, this episode explores why open protocols matter, what’s thriving in 2025, and how to navigate a trust-minimized future.
Background
Matt O'dell is a veteran Bitcoiner and open-source advocate, driving freedom tech forward. He co-founded Bitcoin Park, OpenSats, a 501c3 funding open-source projects like nostr and Tor, and Ten31, a VC firm backing Bitcoin businesses like Strike and Start9. Hosting Rabbit Hole Recap with Marty Bent and Citadel Dispatch, O'dell educates thousands on Bitcoin and privacy. A former Human Rights Foundation volunteer and Bitcoin Policy Institute board member, he champions self-custody and financial freedom, blending technology, policy, and community to counter surveillance.
Highlights
- Bitcoin’s Evolution: From a pre-Mt. Gox Wild West to 2025’s robust self-custody and mobile apps, Bitcoin empowers users, though KYC/AML normalizes surveillance.
- Freedom Tech Wins: Signal’s nonprofit model balances privacy and usability, while Tor persists despite vulnerabilities. Both lag Bitcoin’s anti-hegemonic design.
- OpenSats Mission: Funds open-source projects transparently, countering corporate capture, with support for Tor and Bitcoin-focused initiatives.
- Ten31 Ventures: Backs profitable Bitcoin businesses like Strike (fiat-Bitcoin bridge) and Start9 (self-hosting), balancing short-term gains with long-term freedom.
- Nostr’s Promise: Solves identity and social media challenges with permissionless, trust-minimized communication, countering deep fakes and censorship.
- Business Models: Buy/sell Bitcoin and collateralized loans dominate, but lean, open-source ventures like Primal and Peach bet on future demand. Tether’s $24B profit underscores fiat arbitrage, yet Bitcoin’s scarcity prevails long-term.
Quotes to Remember
- “Bitcoin became this avenue of hope for me. It was a direction that we could actually affect actionable change and have true agency.” – Matt O'dell
- “The power of these projects relies on individuals. It’s a movement of people.” – Matt O'dell
- “Winning is 5% or higher of the global population using these tools in a freedom-focused way.” – Matt O'dell
- “The tools exist for people to take agency. It’s better spent improving the lives of those who seek it than convincing the masses.” – Matt O'dell
- “Bitcoin is the opportunity cost. You need to be profitable in Bitcoin terms.” – Matt O'dell
Resources & Links
- Human Rights Foundation Financial Freedom Report: hrf.org/financialfreedomreport – Weekly insights on global financial repression and freedom tech’s impact.
- Odell’s Resource Page: odell.xyz – Tools, contacts, and guides for Bitcoin and privacy tech.
- Rabbit Hole Recap: rhr.tv – Weekly Bitcoin news with Odell and Marty Bent.
- Citadel Dispatch: citadeldispatch.com – Ma…
1 hr 12 min - Bitcoin and American statecraft | Stephen Pollock
Stephen Pollock, SVP of Development at the Bitcoin Policy Institute (BPI), joins Shawn to explore Bitcoin’s growing role in U.S. policy and statecraft. This discussion covers BPI’s mission to educate policymakers, the challenges of Washington’s political landscape, and the push for Bitcoin as a tool for freedom and national interest, including the Strategic Bitcoin Reserve.
Background
Stephen Pollock, Senior Vice President of Development at the Bitcoin Policy Institute (BPI), a 501(c)(3) nonprofit think tank co-founded by Grant McCarty and David Zell, drives the organization’s operational and advocacy efforts. As BPI’s first hire, he’s been key in building its influence in Washington, DC. With over a decade in political campaigns, public affairs, and FinTech, Pollock has shaped legislation through grassroots strategies and built networks with political and business leaders. A passionate Bitcoiner from Nashville, he bridges Bitcoin’s decentralized ethos with policy, championing self-custody and financial freedom through events like the Bitcoin Policy Summit.
Highlights
- BPI’s Mission: Founded to ensure policymakers take Bitcoin seriously, BPI builds credibility through white papers, 30+ expert fellows, and a new DC office, framing Bitcoin as freedom money, not a threat.
- Washington Challenges: Bitcoin faces an education gap and political football dynamics in DC. BPI counters with research and hires like Ken Egan (ex-CIA) and Axe Shapiro for advocacy.
- Strategic Bitcoin Reserve (SBR): BPI’s advocacy led to an SBR via executive order, needing codification through Senator Lummis’ Bitcoin Act, though stablecoin bills currently compete for attention.
- Statecraft Shift: Bitcoin is seen as a statecraft tool, with the CIA’s Deputy Director speaking at BPI’s summit, signaling a subtle shift in perspective.
- Bitcoin Conference Milestone: The Vice President’s 2025 speech praised Bitcoin as a hedge against inflation and control, with JD Vance as a potential future champion.
- Five-Year Vision: BPI seeks to codify self-custody and regulatory clarity via the Bitcoin Act, build bipartisan support, and elevate Bitcoin to a nonpartisan asset like the internet, reducing risks like a 6102-style seizure.
Quotes to Remember
- “There's no CEO of Bitcoin… that creates vacuums unless someone steps up.”
- “Memorize 12 words, take your life savings anywhere.”
- “The worst thing is Bitcoin reaching government with nobody knowing what it is.”
- “I don’t need an elected official to be a Bitcoiner, just to take it seriously.”
- “Bitcoin is one of the most powerful human rights tools we have.”
Resources & Links
- Bitcoin Policy Summit: June 25, 2025, Washington, DC. Features CIA’s Michael Ellis, Hester Pierce, and lawmakers at btcpolicysummit.org.
- BPI Website: Explore research and advocacy at btcpolicy.org.
Subscribe at podcast.trustrevolution.co. Music in this episode by More Ghost Than Man.
1 hr 22 min - The Internet’s lost promise and paths to freedom | R.U. Sirius
In this episode, Shawn sits down with a legendary figure from the early days of digital culture, R.U. Sirius, exploring the radical roots and transformative potential of the Internet. Our guest shares insights from his experience with pioneering publications like Mondo 2000, reflecting on the early ideals of user empowerment and decentralization. We delve into the evolution of the Internet from a space of individual freedom to one dominated by corporate interests, discussing the shifts in power dynamics and the impact of commercialization on the digital landscape. With a mix of optimism and caution, this episode offers a thought-provoking look at the past, present, and future of digital culture and individual agency.
About RU Sirius
RU Sirius is a writer, musician, and counterculture pioneer who co-founded Mondo 2000, the 1980s–1990s magazine that shaped cyberpunk and tech optimism. A “left-libertarian” influenced by transhumanists Timothy Leary and Robert Anton Wilson, he’s explored technology’s liberating potential for decades. Based in San Francisco, RU writes for Mindplex.ai on AI and creativity, performs as The Smarter Kings of Delirium, and is co-authoring a Mondo 2000 history with Shira Chess for Strange Attractor Press.
Quotes to Remember
- “The original ideal was that everything on the internet can be easily copied and shared… it won’t be controlled and it won’t be monetized.” — RU Sirius
- “Competition was going to put more power into the hands of the hosts, the sites, and less into the hands of the participants.” — RU Sirius
- “If Mondo 2000 had one message, it was be like Laurie Anderson… use the tools as creatively as is possible.” — RU Sirius
- “Leaning into friendship can be a good thing to start doing [in a trolling world].” — RU Sirius
Resources & Links
- Mondo 2000 Archives: Explore cyberculture’s roots with digital scans at archive.org. https://archive.org/details/mondo2000magazine
- Mindplex.ai Articles: Read RU’s takes on AI and creativity at Mindplex.ai. https://magazine.mindplex.ai/search/R.U. Sirius
- Strange Attractor Press: Learn about RU’s forthcoming Mondo 2000 book. https://www.mondo2000.com/freaks-in-the-machine-mondo-2000-in-late-20th-century-tech-culture/
- RU Sirius on X: Follow RU for updates on his work and events. https://x.com/2000_mondo
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Music in this episode by More Ghost Than Man: https://moreghostthanman.bandcamp.com/
55 min - Trust is the currency of the future | Rishad Tobaccowala
Rishad Tobaccowala, futurist and author of Rethinking Work, joins Shawn to unravel the dynamics of power, talent, and trust in a decentralized, AI-driven future. This conversation exposes the seismic shifts dismantling traditional jobs, the rise of talent over capital, and why trust—rooted in truth and integrity—is the ultimate currency for brands and leaders. From technology’s promise to demographic realities, Rishad delivers a wake-up call for navigating the unbundled world of work.
Background
Rishad Tobaccowala, a global strategist, spearheaded digital transformation at Publicis Groupe for 37 years. Now a speaker, advisor, and author of Rethinking Work and Restoring the Soul of Business, he guides leaders on technology and human values. His Substack, with 30,000+ subscribers including global CxOs, offers sharp insights. Key lessons from his work include decentralizing work, empowering talent over capital, and building trust through integrity in an AI age.
Highlights
- Peak Jobs Are Over: By 2030, U.S. jobs could drop by a third due to automation, but work will explode outside traditional roles, driven by a 1.6 fertility rate and technologies like AI and blockchain.
- Five Forces Unbundling Work: Societal/demographic shifts, technology (AI, blockchain, XR), marketplaces (Upwork, Etsy), gig work, and COVID’s redefinition of purpose decentralize work.
- Trust as Currency: AI becomes table stakes; trust, built on integrity (aligned words, beliefs, actions, and truth), sets brands and leaders apart.
- Talent Trumps Capital: Technology empowers individuals to own content and data via platforms like Substack and blockchain, shifting power to “companies of one.”
- 2027 Ecosystem: A “whales” (e.g., NVIDIA) and “plankton” (small firms) model emerges, with fewer employees and AI-driven strategies.
Quotes to Remember
- “We’ve seen peak jobs… by the end of this decade, we will have maybe a third fewer jobs than currently exist.”
- “Trust is what somebody earns… integrity is when what you say, what you believe, and what you do are completely aligned. And is it true?”
- “Technology is the leverage that allows David to bring down Goliath. Power is moving to talent over capital.”
- “The future is already here, but it’s not evenly distributed… Talent is evenly distributed, but opportunity is not.” (paraphrasing William Gibson)
Resources & Links
- Rethinking Work by Rishad Tobaccowala (HarperCollins): https://www.harpercollins.com/products/rethinking-work-rishad-tobaccowala
- Restoring the Soul of Business by Rishad Tobaccowala (HarperCollins): https://www.harpercollins.com/products/restoring-the-soul-of-business-rishad-tobaccowala
- Rishad Tobaccowala’s Substack: https://rishad.substack.com
- Rishad on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rishadtobaccowala/
- Rishad’s website: https://rishadtobaccowala.com/
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Music in this episode by More Ghost Than Man.
1 hr 12 min - Revolutionizing the app store | Fran
In this Trust Revolution episode, Shawn Yeager and Fran, the Buenos Aires-based creator of Zapstore, explore the chokehold of centralized app stores. Fran details how Apple and Google’s control stifles innovation and erodes trust, then unveils Zapstore, a Nostr-powered, decentralized solution with cryptographic security and social trust layers. This 65-minute conversation spans the frustrations of arbitrary curation to the promise of AI-driven “vibe-coded” apps, showing how decentralized systems can reclaim power for users and developers.
About Fran
Fran is a full-stack software engineer with nearly two decades of experience, from Java in the 2000s to modern mobile frameworks. Based in Buenos Aires, Argentina, he’s the creator of Zapstore, a decentralized app store launched in May 2024 on the Nostr protocol. Driven by frustration with centralized app stores’ control, Fran’s work empowers users and developers with secure, censorship-resistant software distribution. A participant in the first Sovereign Engineering cohort in Madeira, he’s a vocal advocate for privacy and autonomy, blending technical expertise with a vision for a freer digital ecosystem.
- X Profile: @FranOnNostr
- Nostr: [email protected]
- Zapstore: Zapstore
Quotes to Remember
- “The biggest problem is we can’t change the curator, and that creates resentment on both sides.” — Fran
- “With centralized stores, the filters feel random, like they’re just flexing power.” — Fran
- “ZapStore uses Nostr to sign apps, so you know they’re from the developer, not some middleman.” — Fran
- “A free market of catalogs means no one can misbehave without losing trust.” — Fran
- “In the future, AI will let anyone vibe-code apps, breaking the app store monopoly.” — Fran
Resources & Links
- Zapstore Website: Discover Zapstore’s decentralized app store for Android and explore its mission to empower users. Zapstore
- Nostr Protocol: Learn about the decentralized protocol behind ZapStore’s censorship-resistant app distribution. nostr.com
- Fran’s Blog Post: Read Fran’s detailed analysis of centralized app store flaws and Nostr’s potential to fix app distribution. Zapstore/blog
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Music in this episode by More Ghost Than Man.
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Unfiltered conversations with builders, thinkers, and operators in Bitcoin and beyond. Exploring the systems we trust, why they work (or don't), and what comes next.