Try this on for size... it's Episode 72 with Patrick Jones! In this week’s episode, we welcome Patrick back to the pod, and hear his tale of feeling isolated and connected at the same time (0:30), before sharing where we are all at (3:30). For our main topic, we discuss the current national conversation about race (9:45). We begin by reacting to the state of the conversation (11:00), as well as the discrediting of Black academic thought (15:00), whether white people actually care about not-being racist (21:20), white-people spinning (26:15), whether the conversation is leading to any action (30:00), critical race theory conversations (36:00), and if we see any bright spots (42:45). Finally, we share what’s in our Dressing Room (49:15) and share some shout-outs (53:00). As always, we hope you enjoy and please send us your feedback!