The Big Four Oh: The Podcast About Turning 40

Turning 40 and Marrying an Inmate


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Jo Ann Fawcett was heavily influenced as a child by the image of the happy family from the TV show Leave it to Beaver, which left her with some - perhaps unreasonable - ideas of what a marriage should look like, but her upbringing left her without the tools to build a successful one. Jo Ann was married seven times and experienced abuse, divorce, and death of her spouse. Her last marriage, to an inmate, lasted 20 years. Now, she’s sharing her hard-earned lessons with the next generation, the most important being: you are enough.

Guest Bio 

Jo Ann Fawcett is a native Californian now living in Portland OR. She has a thriving bookkeeping practice called Jo Ann Richards Bookkeeping. She is the mother of a grown daughter and proud grandmother of three. Jo Ann dramatically changed her life after seven marriages that included abuse, divorce, death, and being a prison wife. She left the Mormon Church after 30 years and never looked back. She found her strengths, gifts, and inner power, learning that dreams do come true. Midlife Magic, a memoir, is her first book. She is currently writing a second book, The Prince Was Wrong. Jo Ann welcomes opportunities to share her story with audiences that serve women feeling stressed, overwhelmed, and ‘stuck’ in their relationships.

Turning 40 and Marrying an Inmate

In this episode of the Forty Drinks Podcast, Stephanie interviews Jo Ann Fawcett, a woman who had multiple marriages including a long-term relationship with a partner in prison. Jo Ann shares her journey of growing up with the idealized image of a happy family from the 1950s, influenced by shows like "Leave It To Beaver," and how that influenced her life choices. She discusses her experiences with codependency, marrying multiple times, and the challenges she faced in her relationships. Jo Ann also talks about her personal growth journey, therapy, and the importance of taking care of oneself. She offers advice to her younger self and shares the wisdom she has gained as a wise woman in her 60s.

Highlights from the episode include:

  • The impact of idealized images of family from the 1950s on Jo Ann's early life choices and expectations.
  • Jo Ann's experiences with codependency and the challenges she faced in her relationships, including an abusive marriage.
  • The decision to marry a man in prison and the lessons she learned from that relationship.
  • The importance of self-care and knowing one's own worth.
  • Jo Ann's advice to her younger self, including the importance of being employable, saving for retirement, and embracing one's own identity.

Check out this episode to hear Jo Ann’s advice to her younger self and other young people from her perspective and her hard-won experience. And, if you enjoy this episode, please rate, follow, and review the podcast.

Guest Resources

Jo Ann’s book Midlife Magic

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The Big Four Oh: The Podcast About Turning 40By Stephanie McLaughlin

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