We catch up. We chat. Rowan fills us in on a True Crime Fest she attended. Joy predicted the future as a child and it’s every bit as freaky as you’d imagine. Rowan has a crush on the *definitely* falsely accused Amanda Knox. Joy rants about effective communication and it goes on for a... while. Josh Duggar is a freaking creep. The story about the Ukrainian orphan, Natalia Grace, is bizarre and we have thoughts. We have all the thoughts. Joy is an aquarius and her sister feels strongly about it. Ayahuasca, LSD, and book recommendations all on this episode of Two Sad Hags! | cw: drugs, fetishes, personal violence