Two Off The Tee

EP 14 of Two Off the Tee. James takes the hosting chair as the brothers break down the WM Phoenix Open chaos. First up: streamer Jack Doherty gets a lifetime PGA Tour ban after paying a fan $100 to scream during Mackenzie Hughes' backswing. Is the ban too harsh or exactly right? Then the real story — Hideki Matsuyama's heartbreaking playoff loss after a chair drop disrupted his swing on 18, handing Chris Gotterup the win.

From there, the episode shifts to Path to Par Golf Club, the brothers' competitive amateur golf league entering its 10th season in Chicago. The league is getting a new name, a new cutline, and a new fight: James wants match play brackets for the playoffs. Jeff wants to keep traditional stroke play. Neither one backs down.

At the turn: do you putt with a line or without? James shares why he ditched the line years ago, Jeff confesses his no-look putting experiment, and both admit that PGA 2K video games actually improved their real-world putting.

The back nine covers golf pet peeves — from people stealing your ball on the course to flagstick etiquette to the friend who's always late to tee times.

Drop your vote in the comments or DM us: match play or stroke play for the Season 10 playoffs?

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Episode 13 is the turning point.

We stop pretending this is just a casual golf league and start treating it like a real club. Handicap reductions, sandbagging, attendance issues — and the biggest change of all: only the Top 12 make the playoffs.

Sung Kim joins as the unelected chairman and makes the case that flips the room. By the end of the episode, participation trophies are dead, and competition is back.

We also lock in a Shin vs Kim family 2v2, no handicaps, pride on the line.

If you care about fairness, competition, and actually earning a playoff spot — this is the episode.

In this episode, James takes the host chair and puts Jeff on the spot. We break down how we actually got into golf, why perfection drives us insane, and how handicaps might be breaking amateur competition.

We dive deep into:

• Why high handicaps keep winning leagues

• Whether match play is better than stroke play for amateurs

• The controversial “exceptional score” handicap rule

• Incentives (or lack of them) to actually improve at golf

• LIV vs PGA politics, suspensions, and favoritism

• Why simulator golf and TGL aren’t landing with fans

• Should women compete with men in simulator golf?

This episode is part golf therapy session, part league commissioner debate, and part reality check for amateur golfers who say they want fairness — until the rules change.

00:00 – James takes over as host
02:30 – How we actually got into golf
07:10 – Golf, perfectionism, and why we’re addicted
10:40 – Handicap goals and improving vs maintaining
15:00 – Why short game and putting separate golfers
18:30 – Almost quitting golf (shanks, frustration, reality)
24:15 – Match play vs stroke play for amateurs
31:50 – Range mats vs grass debate
36:10 – The handicap rule that caused backlash
43:30 – Why the worst golfer winning is a problem
50:00 – Incentives to improve (or not)
58:00 – LIV vs PGA, suspensions, and hypocrisy
1:07:30 – Is LIV dying?
1:11:00 – TGL, simulator golf, and women competing with men
1:28:45 – Final thoughts and what’s next for the club

This episode spirals fast.

We sit down with Kawboy and dive straight into golf’s most toxic debate: handicaps vs straight-up play. What starts as league talk turns into a full-blown argument about gimmies, pace of play, tee boxes, rules, vanity handicaps, and whether golfers are actually getting better—or just hiding behind math.

We debate:
• Are handicaps making golf fair—or soft?
• Should leagues reward improvement or protect bad players?
• Do gimmies and house rules ruin competitive integrity?
• What happens when ego, rules, and pride collide?

It gets heated. Personal. And honest.

This isn’t instructional golf.
This is competitive golf culture, exposed.

Two Off The Tee gets heated. A public call-out turns into a real challenge, and we break down whether it’s confidence or desperation. From handicap debates to PGA vs LIV favoritism, this episode covers ego, data, and why everyone suddenly wants a piece.

Episode 9 gets heated.

What starts as brother vs brother turns into full-blown golf league drama—handicaps, sandbagging, family loyalty, and ego all collide when we bring on our first-ever guest, MGGA Champion Tom Kim.

We debate:

Whether handicap golf is broken

Why low handicaps are always the angriest

League integrity, sandbagging, and “playing the system.”

Playoff pressure, clutch putts, and collapsing on the back nine

2v2 trash talk and whether the Shins should even allow a rematch

We also hit current golf news, including Brooks Koepka’s potential PGA return, Bryson DeChambeau staying with LIV, and why many of us are rooting for Anthony Kim.

This one isn’t polite.

This one isn’t scripted.

And no matter what, you don’t go against the family.

Ten years in, things get personal. This episode starts with brother vs. brother as Jeff and James set up a 7-round series to finally settle it on the course — straight up, no excuses, and three months to train.

From there, we zoom out to the bigger picture. We break down where MGGA is headed in year 10, including playoff structure, attendance issues, handicap integrity, pace of play, and why some league rules may need to change. We also get into what actually makes golf rounds better or worse — from course setups to why most clubhouse food is wildly overpriced and underwhelming.

If you care about competitive golf, league fairness, or you’ve ever argued with your buddies about handicaps, this one’s for you.

In Episode 7 of Two Off the Tee, we close out the 2025 golf season and reset for 2026.

We talk through what actually helped our games this year, what didn’t, and how practice, playing, and competition really impact amateur golfers. Then we lay out our personal goals for 2026 — handicap targets, breaking milestones, and what we’re changing moving forward.

We also get into pro golf from an amateur’s perspective, including whether watching the pros actually helps your game, and finish with a debate on Brooks Koepka, LIV Golf, and whether players who leave should be allowed back on the PGA Tour.

No swing tips. No fluff. Just honest golf conversation from two amateurs who care about competing and getting better.

In this episode of Two Off the Tee, we get into the debates every golfer has strong opinions about — whether they admit it or not.

We start with golf fashion and the reaction to Malbon signing Fred Couples. Are hoodies, joggers, and streetwear officially taking over the course, or is golf drifting too far from tradition?

From there, we dive deep into tee box selection. Ego vs reality. Are golfers playing the wrong tees? Does moving back actually make you better, or does it just slow the round down for everyone? We debate forward tees, “graduation” systems, pace of play, and why this topic always turns heated.

We also break down the Reebok Invitational, how handicaps were handled, and why strokes become a problem the moment money is involved.

To wrap it up, we react to comments about honors vs ready golf, lessons vs YouTube golf, and the infamous “20 handicap” chirps.

If you play golf, you’ve argued about at least one of these.

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In Episode 5 of Two Off the Tee, things get heated.

We start with our dream golf foursomes — tour pros, YouTubers, celebrities — and why personality matters more than talent when picking who you’d actually want to play 18 with.

Then we dive into the latest LIV Golf chatter: Brooks Koepka rumors, contract questions, world ranking changes, and what a fair path back to the PGA Tour should look like.

On the back nine, we debate whether golf lessons are worth it or if YouTube is enough to improve, and how bad mechanics can lead to injuries over time.

We close with the real argument: golf etiquette.
How much effort are you actually obligated to give when helping someone find a lost ball — especially when you’re competing?

Pick a side.