Why are Christians surprised when people who don’t follow Jesus don’t live according to the teachings of Jesus?

In Episode 37, “A Different Standard,” we dig into Paul’s words in 1 Corinthians 5:12–13 and ask whether the church sometimes spends too much time judging those outside of it while overlooking what’s happening within. We talk about the difference between conviction and condemnation, why Christian standards should first shape the lives of Christians, and what it means when people outside the church sometimes seem to “love their neighbor” better than we do.

Our job isn’t to make non-Christians behave like Christians. Our calling is to follow Jesus faithfully, love people well, and point others toward Him.

So maybe the question isn’t, “Why doesn’t the world act more like the church?”

Maybe it’s, “Does the church look enough like Jesus?”

Join us for Episode 37 of Two Pastors: Conversations About Everything.

We update our phones all the time, but when was the last time we stopped to ask if we need an update?

After a recent iPhone update, we started thinking about all the things running in the background of our own lives. Old habits, attitudes, grudges, priorities, exhaustion, and even things we know God has been calling us to change—but we keep hitting “Remind Me Later.”

In this episode, we talk about what it looks like to let God run the diagnostic. Are there things we need to delete? Is our battery running low? Are we holding onto an old version of ourselves simply because it's familiar? And what role do prayer, Scripture, worship, community, and other spiritual practices play in keeping us connected to God?

God doesn't need an update. The Gospel doesn't need an update. But sometimes we do.

Join us for a conversation about growth, change, renewal, and allowing God to continue shaping us into the people He has called us to be.

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🏈 Episode 36: It’s Football Season!

Football is back, and that means Saturdays just got a whole lot better!

This week, Jason and Robby are talking about everything they love about football, from Friday night lights and high school rivalries to packed college stadiums, traditions, tailgates, entrances, and the incredible sense of community that surrounds the game.

Of course, you can’t talk college football with these two without mentioning the rivalry: Jason is a Clemson Tiger, Robby is a South Carolina Gamecock, and neither one is willing to admit the other picked the right team. 😂

But underneath all the trash talk, football reminds us of something bigger. There’s something special about people coming together, cheering for something they love, and being part of something larger than themselves.

Grab your team colors, settle in, and join Two Pastors: Conversations About Everything because… IT’S FOOTBALL SEASON! 🏈

“Are you saved?” It sounds like a simple question, but depending on your church background, it may mean something very different.

In this episode, we unpack a listener’s real-life conversation that got us thinking about what Christians actually mean when we talk about being “saved.” From a United Methodist perspective, we explore salvation as more than a single moment, it’s the incredible work of God’s grace before we even recognize Him, when we place our faith in Christ, and throughout our lives as God continues to shape and transform us.

We’ll talk about prevenient grace, justifying grace, sanctifying grace, baptism, assurance of salvation, being “born again,” and even the question of “once saved, always saved.” Along the way, we’ll also look at how other Christian traditions may understand or describe salvation differently while remembering that denominational differences don’t have to divide us.

Because ultimately, Methodists don’t save us. Baptists don’t save us. Churches don’t save us.

Jesus saves.

Join us for an honest conversation about grace, faith, salvation, and what it really means to say, “I am saved.”

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What TV show instantly takes you back to being a kid?

This week, we're taking a trip down memory lane and talking about the television shows that helped define different seasons of our lives. From Saturday mornings with He-Man and the Masters of the Universe, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Superman, and Batman to discovering shows like M*A*S*H later in life, we're sharing our favorites, our favorite characters, and the memories that still come rushing back when we hear those familiar theme songs.

We'll talk Saturday morning cartoons, superheroes, action figures, shows that still hold up today—and probably a few that don't! Along the way, we'll also ask whether TV really was better back then or if nostalgia just makes us remember it that way.

Sometimes the shows we remember aren't really just about the shows. They're connected to childhood, family, friends, and seasons of life we didn't realize we'd someday miss.

So grab a bowl of cereal, settle in, and take a trip back with us. Then tell us: What TV show immediately takes you back?

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There are some songs you don't just sing, they become part of your story.

In this episode, we're talking about the hymns and contemporary worship songs that have meant the most to us through the years. From classics like The Old Rugged Cross, Great Is Thy Faithfulness, and It Is Well with My Soul to contemporary favorites like Goodness of God, Glorious Day, How He Loves, and I've Witnessed It, we're sharing the songs we love and, more importantly, why we love them.

Along the way, we'll explore some of the powerful stories behind these songs, talk about the memories and moments we associate with them, and discover how music has a way of putting words to our faith when sometimes we can't find the words ourselves.

So whether you love the sound of an old church organ, a full contemporary worship band, or a little bit of both, join us for a conversation about the music that has shaped our worship, strengthened our faith, and reminded us again and again of who God is.

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Who are the people helping carry you when life gets heavy? And just as importantly, who are you helping carry?

In this episode, we explore why the people we surround ourselves with have such a profound impact on our faith, our choices, and our walk with Christ. Looking at the powerful story of the friends who lowered a paralyzed man through the roof to Jesus, we talk about the importance of having a circle of people who encourage us, challenge us, pray for us, and point us toward Jesus, even when we can't get there on our own.

Whether it's a trusted friend, a small group, or your church family, God never intended for us to follow Him alone. Join us as we discuss why your circle matters, how to build relationships that strengthen your faith, and how you can become the kind of friend who helps carry others to Christ.

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It's easy to focus on what's broken, what's stressful, or what's next on the to-do list. But what if many of the things we complain about are actually reminders of just how blessed we are?

In this episode, we explore what it means to develop an attitude of gratitude. From mowing the lawn and fixing the truck to paying bills and tackling home repairs, we discover how a simple shift in perspective can transform everyday frustrations into opportunities to thank God. Gratitude doesn't ignore life's challenges—it helps us recognize God's blessings in the middle of them.

Join us as we talk about practical ways to cultivate thankfulness, what Scripture teaches about a grateful heart, and why learning to notice God's goodness can change the way we see every day.

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Have you ever left a powerful worship service, church camp, retreat, or Bible study feeling like you could take on the world... only to wake up Monday and wonder where that excitement went?

You're not alone.

In this episode, we talk about the "Monday faith" challenge—the reality that spiritual mountaintops are incredible, but everyday life eventually returns. School starts back. Work piles up. The routine sets in. So how do we keep our faith strong when the emotions fade?

Join us as we explore what Scripture teaches about living beyond the spiritual high, why God often does His greatest work in the ordinary moments of life, and how we can cultivate a faith that lasts long after the music stops and Monday begins.

Whether you're coming home from church camp, celebrating the joy of Easter or Christmas, or simply trying to stay faithful in the middle of an ordinary week, this conversation is for you.

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When was the last time you tried something for the very first time?

Whether it's tasting a new food, learning a new skill, visiting a new place, or stepping into a new ministry opportunity, trying new things can be exciting, and a little intimidating. But growth rarely happens inside our comfort zones.

In this episode, we share some of our own experiences with trying new things, talk about why so many of us resist change, and discuss how God often uses new experiences to stretch our faith and shape our character. Following Jesus is a lifelong journey of learning, growing, and trusting Him with the next step.

Join us for a fun and encouraging conversation about embracing new opportunities and discovering that some of life's greatest blessings begin with a simple willingness to say, "I'll give it a try."