In this episode, Annika and I wander into a conversation we didn't plan — which is exactly how the best ones go.

We land on the difference between self-love and self-kindness. Self-love can feel like a concept, something aspirational that our inner judge quietly measures us against. Self-kindness feels different. More achievable. More human. It's the moment you catch a harsh thought and simply notice: that's not kind.

We explore what it means to receive yourself without needing to fix anything first, and the difference between doing something because you think you need it to get somewhere versus doing it because it genuinely brings you joy. And we sit with the idea that what you're looking for isn't out there in the next course or modality. It's already here.

We also laugh a lot. Including an accidental toast to my husband Steve.

If you've ever judged yourself for taking the slow path or for still catching the same old thought distortions — this one's for you.

If you like this episode, we welcome your feedback and your questions! You can reach us at [email protected].

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Resources mentioned:

A Course in Miracles

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Elizabeth and Annika introduce the heart of this podcast — a feminine, grounded conversation about living awake.
From self-love and presence to learning to listen to the body and trust life’s unfolding, they share personal stories and reflections on unlearning old patterns and returning to self.
What does it mean to live from your truth instead of your fear?
This episode begins with that question and invites you into the practice of presence.

This episode explores:

• Self-love not as performance, but presence
• The dance between mind and heart
• Unlearning external frameworks and trusting inner guidance
• Life as unfolding, not a mapped outcome
• How nervous system awareness shows up in everyday choices
• The ongoing journey of conscious living

Resources mentioned in the show:

Dr. Kim D'Eramo

Dr. Sue Morter

We would love to hear what you felt while listening to this conversation. You can reach Annika and Elizabeth at:

[email protected]

You can also find out more about Annika's work here,

and Elizabeth's work here.

Until next time!

XOXO