This week, Summer chats with Alejandro Rojas, of Open Minds Radio and the International UFO Congress, about UFOs & extraterrestrials in entertainment, particularly the recent indie feature "Phoenix Forgotten".

Alejandro talks about some of the other investigations and documentaries surrounding the Phoenix Lights event, including more data and more testimonies from eyewitnesses, and how there's still no way to sort facts from misdirections, even after key officials have changed their statements about what they saw and what they told the public at the time.

We also chat about the Mutual UFO Network, the data being collected and shared on a daily basis, and how both believers and skeptics are working together to hopefully someday get to the bottom of what's real, what's speculation, and what are hoaxes.

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