Un-Machine Yourself

Martine Beijerman is a Dutch author and legal scholar and currently lives in the USA. Her main research interests are democracy, rule of law and inclusion/exclusion. She has obtained her PhD on democratic legitimacy of international lawmaking. In her book Vreemde eenden (2021 Uitgeverij Podium) she explores the tension between our democratic ideals of equality and freedom and the harsh reality of exclusion, ranging from racism, homophobia, antisemitism and everything in between. She examines the role of group dynamics, the media, and unconscious biases and concepts such as power, fear, shame and status. By bundling scientific research and interviews with leading scholars and thinkers, Martine tries to find answers to the pressing questions: why do we exclude the other? Who benefits from exclusion? And why is there so much resistance to talk about it?

More info on Martine:

martinebeijerman.com

www.linkedin.com/in/martine-beijerman-phd-03335a9

www.instagram.com/martinebeijerman

"We should slow down", says change manager Patrick van der Voorn, and: "to be human, means to be humiliated." Roanne figured that that was enough reason to invite him over for a podcast!

She and Patrick discuss:

- what working in 5 stars hotel taught him: especially that time when there was a fire and he was on the 24th floor, with all of his guests

- what are the urgent questions in companies, noone dares to asks (but change managers must!)

- the meaning of his motto: give direction, lead the way

- why future leaders need to slow down, AND: fall down.

- why true leaders, should dare to get their guards down (and their ties off)

- and why we should all invest in 'sensitizing' ourselves

Patrick recommends us all to go and try rinsinyoku, AKA: Japanese forestbathing. Roanne tried it already and loves it - let us know what your experience was!

Some people in this world, but not so many nowadays it seems, are truly humble. This woman is one of them - in the intro to the podcast, Roanne will give you the living proof. Meet: Lara van Druten, CEO and founder of The Waste Transformers, an award-winning company that works worldwide to deal with waste in a way that is environmentally ánd socially sustainable. She's a powerhouse, but, as said: a humble one. Lucky for us, she packs her story full of positive inspiration on how to make change, while also making money.

Roanne and Lara discuss:

How young Lara saw what no one back then saw: we need online universities (and she opened one!)

How she then saw that the current waste system, is simply stupid

How she managed to found a smarter waste company - without any relevant study background (but she has a major in philosophy, as well as in international politics, amongst others!)

Why she allows chaos in her mind

What good plans all need if they want to turn into successes (hint: business!)

Why words like value and purpose, actually became valuable again

Derek Bruce on the importance of storytelling at work, and sneakers in life

If we want to be successful at work in the future, we all need to learn how to tell good stories, says Derek Bruce. He is an HR and talent-development senior, who has been working all over the world with market leading global organizations in the Fashion, Financial Services, Media, Retail and Technology industries. At this moment, he works for Signify as a Director of Leadership Development, as an independent learning and development consultant, ánd he manages the Extraordinary Mentors Network, a mentorship program which provides People of Colour with Mentors.

Derek met Roanne in the beautiful Amsterdam SOHO house to share his views on work and leadership of the future. In the episode, we talk about:

- Why we all need to become storytellers in order to be successful at work

- How writing can help you to communicate better to your colleagues (and boss!)

- Why sometimes, the best thing you can do for your company, is refuse that job

- Why the best leaders, are selfless leaders…

- And the boss-like, very green, very cool shoes that he is wearing. Obviously.

Roanne mentions the book ‘Weapons of Math Destruction’, by Cathy O’Neil: https://www.amazon.com/Weapons-Math-Destruction-Increases-Inequality/dp/0553418815

Derek tips the ‘10% happier podcast’: https://www.tenpercent.com/podcast/

Find more information on Derek:

LinkedIn -> https://www.linkedin.com/in/derekbruce

Instagram ->https://www.instagram.com/derekbruceassociates

Twitter -> https://twitter.com/derekbruceassoc

Marieke Vinck, creative director of CharlieMary on circular fashion and uncomfortable change

When has it become so normal to throw away clothing we have hardly worn? What is circular fashion? And how on earth do you convince people to change their business model, if they aren’t even interested? In this episode, Roanne meets Marieke Vinck - co-founder & creative director of CharlieMary - the agency of six of the most forward-thinking labels in the benelux, and a circular fashion essentials label. Marieke shares insights on the fast fashion industry, where she started her career, and explains what has to change, and how she tries to take slow, sustainable fashion, from niche to norm.

Roanne and Marieke discuss:

- How fast fashion kills creativity

- How you can make clothing, without producing any waste

- Why change is always uncomfortable

- What are the main challenges if you want to radically change a field

- Why collaboration is the way forward

Marieke tips the documentary ‘The True Cost’, and Roanne refers to an older episode on fair fashion, with Marieke Eyskoot. You find it here: https://www.iamhatch.com/blog/7-marieke-eyskoot-this-is-a-good-guide-how-doing-good-can-be-combined-with-doing-business

More info on Marieke and her work:

website: www.charliemary.com

instagram: https://www.instagram.com/charliemary.official/

facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CharlieMary.official/

Robert Overweg on disruptive art, adaptable mindsets and the future of education

We, humans, typically try to construct meaning of all that we experience. We see something, something happens to us, and our brains - essentially predicting machines, help us to navigate through an uncertain future - make up a story. This podcast episode is meant to disrupt that.

You will hear it in the tone of the conversation, that flows and glows - Roanne and her guest -  artist, adaptation expert, education innovator and artist Robert Overweg - feel a click as two humans sometimes do when they first meet. Not love, not even a flirt, but definitely some sort of resonance - as if you instantly understand each others’ way of thinking and work. Maybe there is no perfect word for that, and that’s fine (although our brains don’t like that!)

You will hear it in the tips to art and books that will leave you astounded and confused.

You will note it in the conversation about Robert’s internationally renowned artwork, which is mindblowing (check the link in these shownotes if you want to see it!)

You will sense it in the way Robert works: he is extremely successful, yet extremely relaxed if one looks at his schedule. This man has clients like Vodafone, Liberty global, eBay, Heineken, a variety of startups, and innovative schools (including the one owned by Elon Musk!) and is the cofounder of the Adaptable Mindset Program that has already been applied at several fortune 500 companies, SME’s, and which supports over a thousand students and solopreneurs, ánd his artwork was featured in Centre Pompidou and on the Seoul Biennale. And yet, he explains to Roanne that he rarely picks up his phone, takes long walks in the forest on workdays, and believes the best ideas come when he is not working.

So, in this episode we discuss:

- The future of education

- Which artwork left him confused and inspired, and why

- How his own art-career was ‘scary as shit’

- The importance of taking forest baths

- Why busy people need to not answer their phone

- Why we all need to study technological developments. Now.

Enjoy the beautiful mess, dear listeners ;-)

SHOWNOTES:

Art by Robert can be found here: [https://www.shotbyrobert.com/](https://www.shotbyrobert.com/)

Or here: [The end of the virtual world](https://www.shotbyrobert.com/end-of-the-virtual-world)

Or check out his series ‘Flying and Floating’ as it was shown in the Centre Pompidou: [https://www.shotbyrobert.com/flying-and-floating](https://www.shotbyrobert.com/flying-and-floating)

Find more information about Robert and his work on: [www.adaptablemindset.com](http://www.adaptablemindset.com/)

Or connect with him on the socials: [https://twitter.com/RobertOverweg](https://twitter.com/RobertOverweg)

[https://www.instagram.com/theadaptablemindset/](https://www.instagram.com/theadaptablemindset/)

Roanne mentioned a book she wrote on fear, or more specifically, on how the world’s best climbers and other extreme athletes cope with overcoming fear. The English version of that book is sold out, internationally, but still available in E-version for Kobo E-readers: [FEAR!](https://www.kobo.com/nl/nl/ebook/fear-123)

The Dutch version is still available: [Alles Onder Controle](https://www.bol.com/nl/nl/p/alles-onder-controle/9200000057446925/)

Robert advises listeners to keep updated with what is happening in the world of tech. Here is how to start: [https://www.adaptablemindset.com/blog/what-is-happening-in-tech](https://www.adaptablemindset.com/blog/what-is-happening-in-tech)

Mariah Mansvelt Beck always aimed to have a positive impact on the world. This led her to working for Doctors without Borders - at headquarters as well as in the field - to being a social worker as well as to giving yoga and meditation classes - something she still does. When Mariah was 30 she found out she was developing cervical cancer. This sparked an interest in her health and led her together with friend Wendelien Hebly to realize no ingredients were listed on the packaging of regular tampons, pads and liners. Together they started Yoni. Yoni is a fem care brand aiming to break open the taboo around menstruation and to provide healthy, sustainable alternatives to regular fem care. They now have organic cotton tampons, pads and liners as well as more sustainable options like the menstrual cup and period proof underwear.

For more information check out https://www.yoni.care

Interview Questions

- what did you want to be when you grew up?

- so tell me about your company, work now.

- in times of robotization, polarization, AI; what keeps us, humans, on the right track when it comes to work that we value? (you may also make this personal, so what keeps YOU on the right track)?

- what did you have to learn most, to get there?

- what do you think future proof companies/leaders need, when it comes to capabilities or strategies? (fx. they need to dare and take risks in increasing uncertainty, or they need to become more inclusive)

- do you have a book, or a podcast or film or quote that inspires you a lot and that you could share with our listeners?

Show Notes

Ever considered to slow down, on your leadership journey? In this episode, Mariah Mansvelt Beck - cofounder of fem care company Yoni - argues that pausing may be a key future capability - to pause, before making a decision, but also to lower your pace on busy days. Or even: creating more space in your life. She practices what she preaches: after launching a company that would radically change the field of fem care, she now only works for Yoni 2 days, allowing more space for teaching Yoga, enjoying motherhood and inspiring change on many levels.

Roanne and Mariah discuss:

- Why chemicals are not for pussies

- How her health situation inspired her to start a fem care company

- Her background: from humanitarian, to care worker, to entrepreneur

- Why Yoni does not believe in fixed office times

- Why silence is scary

- Which meditation helps her through confrontational meetings and challenges

Mariah tips the 6 faces meditation: https://www.mindvalley.com/learn-meditation/

and Martha Beck books: https://marthabeck.com/books/

Let’s discuss a topic that is as hot as it is uncomfortable: flight shame. Do you have it, every time you fantasize about buying a ticket for a plane? Roanne certainly does.

Never flying again is one future scenario, but flying in a more sustainable manner, is another one - and that’s the one we talk about today.

We do so with Maarten van Dijk, managing director of SkyNRG - the pioneer and global market leader for sustainable aviation fuel (SAF). Having supplied over 30 airlines on all continents, it is their mission to make SAF the new global standard.

That demands visionary leadership. Courage, and being able to engage in complex conversations, because boy oh boy, will this company meet a lot of scepticism - until they reach enthusiasm.

Whilst getting to know Maarten, Roanne also found out that he seems to possess some other skills that future leaders need: realism, the guts to NOT jump on every opportunity,  and a surprising amount of humbleness.

In this episode, we talk about:

Maartens’ journey from being a pioneer in the industry, where his product was still unknown and even perceived as unsafe, to being a big player in the field.

Why saying ‘no’ is a must if you want to grow - as a company, and as a leader.

How to create a working culture in which little time is spent on back-reporting.

Why he is willing to step down and be paid less, than his next CEO.

This podcast is hosted by Futures-Anthropologist Dr. Roanne van Voorst, and facilitated by Hatch (www.iamhatch.com) - helping you and your company become future-proof through experiential learning, art, good food, connection and more surprises than you ever expected the future to hold!

For more information on SkyNRG: www.skynrg.com

Or find Maarten on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/maartenvan-dijk/)

Robyn M. Bolton is considered an expert in corporate innovation. She has worked as an “intrapreneur” at P&G where she was part of the team that launched Swiffer and Swiffer WetJet, a partner at Clayton Christensen’s growth consulting firm, and she is also the founder of MileZero, an innovation consulting and coaching firm.  She has advised companies ranging from global leaders like Nike, Comcast, and Medtronic to mid-sized companies like Curriculum Associates and Hallstar Beauty.

Today, Roanne asked Robyn to talk about a rather specific topic. A future-lesson, so to speak, that Robyn has for all leaders. Namely, the topic of innovation and that what we call at Hatch: the courage to look at your company or team or task, in a radically different way than you used to do. As well all know, that is needed for the unknown futures that we are going to conquer.

Robyn uses different words to describe what needs to happen. Or actually, what NOT needs to happen. She defined Things Leaders Do That Kill Innovation, and found out What to Do Instead.

In this episode, Robyn shares:

- how the very behaviors that make leaders successful conspire to kill innovation

- why these behaviors are so dangerous, and

- what leaders can do to truly be innovation champions and get the innovation results they want.

This podcast is hosted by Futures-Anthropologist Dr. Roanne van Voorst and facilitated by Hatch. Helping you and your company become future-proof through experiential learning, art, good food, connection and more surprises than you ever expected the future to hold!

For more information on Robyn: http://www.milezero.io/ or follow her on https://www.linkedin.com/in/robynmbolton or Twitter: @RM_Bolton

Have you ever met a futurist before? Roanne did, many times - she’s actually one herself! - and found that they have several things in common. Futurists are multi-interested, stubborn and autonomous thinkers, and highly original and creative. So, let’s meet one of the Netherlands’ best futurists of our times, today: Karsten van der Donk, and see what rings true for him! ;-)

Originally trained as an art historian, Karsten became the owner of a catering company, worked in an internet start-up, turned to become a certified yogateacher and then, in 2015, became partner at Paris/Amsterdam based organization Cosight: the meaning management company, working on futures for humans and brands. Their clients include Automotive and several international personal care brands. In his work, Karsten blends sociology, semiotics and psychology - from a human-centric point of view.

That were a lot of words, but what it comes down to is: looking at challenges and opportunities that come with the future, and see what might be the role of brands, therein. Here at Hatch we essentially focus on the same but focus more on the people in the brands: the leaders, the staff...all of them have to possess or strengthen a certain set of skills in order to excel in the future. These include what we in our Un-Machine Yourself signature training define as intuitive thinking, stepping outside of routines, courageousness, flexibility, autonomy, resilience….

Karsten will also touch on many of these topics, we promise!

In this episode we talk about:

What we can learn from other cultures when it comes to navigating unknown territories

Why meaning becomes more important for companies and individuals, and how meaning becomes practice

Why long-term goals are crucial, but short-term strategies are better

What the leader of the future holds

More information on Karsten: www.cosight.com