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Andre Cronje, the developer of yearn.finance, talks about all things DeFi and the past, present, and future of yEarn. In this episode, he discusses:  

• what Yearn Finance is, and what led him to develop it and eventually open it to the public
• his history and background, leading up to the development of Yearn
• the processes and mechanisms involved in yEarn v1 and yEarn v2
• why he decided to do a "fair launch" of the YFI token, despite being in debt as a result of building Yearn
• why he felt that a Decrypt article about him in August was a "horrible hatchet job"
• why he disagrees with what he sees as the current anti-VC narrative
• his thoughts on the phenomenal rise in YFI's price and why the price of a YFI token still doesn't matter
• how and why he decided governance participation would be a requirement for earning tokens in the Balancer/yCurve/YFI pool
• the governance processes in Yearn and his thoughts on whether or not a Compound-style form of governance would be better
• how he might mitigate whales dominating the vote
• what he means by "I test in prod" and how people have misinterpreted his meaning
• why he briefly walked away from DeFi
• whether he agrees that YFI could be a new structure to replace existing traditional business structures
• his response to the allegations by XAR Network
• whether he would consider moving Yearn to another blockchain
• his vision for what Yearn can become
• and how much YFI he currently owns personally

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Episode links: 

Andre Cronje: https://twitter.com/AndreCronjeTech

Yearn Finance: https://yearn.finance

https://docs.yearn.finance

CoinDesk on Yearn: https://www.coindesk.com/what-is-yearn-finance-yfi-defi-ethereum

The Block report on yEarn Finance: https://www.theblockcrypto.com/genesis/75189/defis-yield-aggregator-dao-yearn-finance

Post introducing $YFI: https://medium.com/iearn/earning-yfi-y-curve-fi-53b5fd347f0f

Delegated vaults: https://medium.com/iearn/delegated-vaults-explained-fa81f1c3fce2

V2: https://medium.com/iearn/yearn-finance-v2-af2c6a6a3613

Delphi Digital report on yETH yVault: https://www.delphidigital.io/reports/yeth-now-do-you-understand/

yETH collateralization ratio: https://defiexplore.com/cdp/13972

Tony Sheng newsletter: https://tonysheng.substack.com/p/yfi-ponzinomics

Yearn Governance: https://medium.com/iearn/yearn-governance-forum-7b7c9d0300ac

yInsure Finance: https://medium.com/iearn/yinsure-finance-a-new-insurance-primitive-77d5d4217896

Delegated funding DAO vaults: https://medium.com/iearn/delegated-funding-dao-vaults-7ab05a63d7ba 

Siege Rhino question about governance: https://twitter.com/SiegeRhino2/status/1303415750238101504?s=20

Andre’s “Building in DeFi Sucks” post: https://medium.com/@andre_54855/building-in-defi-sucks-b8fdfda0ef58?source=---------17------------------

Andre quits in February: https://decrypt.co/21068/founder-of-promising-defi-project-abandons-the-toxic-cryptosphere

Andre close to quitting in August: https://decrypt.co/37995/exclusive-yfi-andre-cronje-broke-quitting-defi

What Andre wishes he had known before building Ethereum dapps: https://medium.com/iearn/things-i-wish-i-knew-before-building-ethereum-defi-dapps-cd6bf0f07a16 

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Olaf Carlson-Wee, the founder and CEO of Polychain Capital, goes deep into yield farming, fair launches and how decentralization will upend the traditional notion of the corporation. In this episode, he talks about:

• when it makes sense for a team to introduce a liquidity mining scheme, and when it doesn't
• the difference between yield farming and ICOs when it comes to investing
• his thoughts on YFI, as well as YAM, and the pace at which unaudited DeFi projects are
• moving forward
• the three advantages he sees in automated market makers as opposed to centralizedexchanges
• his thoughts on Uniswap and SushiSwap and why he's not sure Uniswap will make a token
• his thoughts on fair launches and whether he thinks they will threaten traditional crypto VCs
• whether the CRV token launch really was instigated by someone unrelated to the team
• his thoughts on the yEarn yETH vault and what it says about where the DeFi space is going
• what he sees as the pros and cons of rebasing
• why he sees projects like YFI as a new kind of corporation
• whether he thinks Ethereum will scale fast enough to meet the demand already being put on it
• why he thinks systems like Polkadot are going to expand what is possible in the same way that Ethereum expanded beyond what was possible with Bitcoin
• whether he thinks the yields from yield farming will pull investors away from staking on Ethereum 2.0
• what he thinks DeFi teams should do to improve security
• Bitcoin on Ethereum and what he believes it could mean for DeFi in the future
• the chatter around a potential public offering from Coinbase, and what's in store for Polychain in the future

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Episode links: 

Olaf Carlson-Wee: https://www.linkedin.com/in/olafcw/

Polychain Capital: https://polychain.capital

Previous interviews with Olaf on Unchained and Unconfirmed: https://unchainedpodcast.com/why-the-first-employee-of-coinbase-launched-a-hedge-fund/

https://unchainedpodcast.com/to-the-moon-and-back-with-polychains-olaf-carlson-wee/

https://unchainedpodcast.com/special-episode-with-cnbcs-crypto-trader-olaf-carlson-wee-on-why-this-crypto-winter-is-different-from-previous-ones-ep-028/

https://unchainedpodcast.com/all-things-cryptoeconomics-pt-1-with-olaf-carlson-wee-and-ryan-zurrer-of-polychain-capital/

Why trading on automated market makers has risen so quickly: https://unchainedpodcast.com/why-decentralized-trading-has-10xed-in-a-few-months/ 

Launch of yEarn/YFI: https://medium.com/iearn/yfi-df84573db81

Dex volume over time: https://defiprime.com/dex-volume

YAM recap: https://www.theblockcrypto.com/post/74810/yam-token-market-cap-collapses-by-more-than-90-flaw

YAM team’s plans going forward: YAM Post-Rescue Attempt Update. At approximately 6PM UTC, on Wed August… | by Yam Finance | Aug, 2020 | Medium

SushiSwap vs. Uniswap: https://unchainedpodcast.com/sushiswap-takes-on-uniswap-which-should-win-and-why/

Ian Lee of IDEO CoLab Ventures on fair launches vs. VC coins: https://synthesis.substack.com/p/fair-launches-will-disrupt-crypto

And on fast-follower forks: https://synthesis.substack.com/p/fast-follower-forks-in-defi

CRV token launch: https://www.theblockcrypto.com/genesis/74921/the-story-of-the-botched-crv-launch

yEarn's yETH vault: https://www.coindesk.com/yearn-finance-yeth-vault-defi-triforce

Ethereum's transition to 2.0: https://unchainedpodcast.com/vitalik-buterin-on-ethereums-five-year-anniversary/

Security in DeFi: https://unchainedpodcast.com/defi-security-with-so-many-hacks-will-it-ever-be-safe/

Whether Coinbase will do a token offering when it goes public: https://unchainedpodcast.com/will-coinbase-do-a-token-offering-when-it-goes-public/

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Haseeb Qureshi, managing partner at Dragonfly Capital, and Dan Robinson, research partner at Paradigm, discuss the explosion in decentralized exchange activity on automated market makers from $1 billion earlier this year to more than $10 billion in August. 

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Episode links: 

Haseeb Qureshi: https://twitter.com/hosseeb

Dan Robinson: https://twitter.com/danrobinson

Haseeb’s post on the rise of AMMs: https://medium.com/dragonfly-research/what-explains-the-rise-of-amms-7d008af1c399

Haseeb's post on how Uniswap could be un-bundled: https://medium.com/dragonfly-research/unbundling-uniswap-the-future-of-on-chain-market-making-1c7d6948d570

Dex volume: https://defiprime.com/dex-volume

Trading volume on centralized exchanges: https://www.theblockcrypto.com/genesis/74539/july-by-the-numbers-a-look-at-crypto-exchange-volumes-open-interest-and-miner-revenue

Incentivized pools: https://pools.fyi/#/?tag=incentivized

Top dexes by trading volume: https://www.coingecko.com/en/dex

Ethereum transaction fees: https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/ethereum-transactionfees.html 

Uniswap website visits 15x in July: https://messari.io/article/uniswap-total-website-visits-grew-15x-in-july

Website traffic to DeFi platforms explodes in July: https://www.theblockcrypto.com/post/74231/defi-platforms-web-traffic-july

Fees paid to various crypto projects: https://cryptofees.info

Curve reaches $1 billion in TVL: https://www.theblockcrypto.com/linked/75014/curve-becomes-third-defi-protocol-to-hit-1-billion-in-total-value-locked

The Block on dex aggregators: https://www.theblockcrypto.com/genesis/69468/dex-aggregators-user-experience

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Saifedean Ammous is an economist and the author of The Bitcoin Standard: The Decentralized Alternative to Central Banking, which has been translated into 20 languages. In this episode, he discusses:

• the basic tenets of Austrian economics and why it is the only school where Bitcoin is possible
• historical examples of currencies and how they lost their monetary value
• the stock-to-flow model and how Bitcoin fits into that model
• the three functions, or descriptive properties, of money and why Bitcoin fulfills these functions
• the concept of sound money
• the idea of time preference in economics and why he believes it is so important
• the distinction between debt and money, and why they are not the same
• the significance of difficulty adjustment and why he believes it is the crowning achievement of Bitcoin
• why he views Bitcoin as the best store of value humanity has ever invented
• the metrics he watches when assessing Bitcoin
• what he thinks is in store for Bitcoin in the future, and whether he still thinks central banks will buy Bitcoin as a reserve currency
• his thoughts on Ethereum and other digital currencies
• and his predictions for Bitcoin in the next year

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Episode links: 

Saifedean Ammous: https://twitter.com/saifedean

Saifedean’s website: https://saifedean.com

The Bitcoin Standard: https://saifedean.com/book/

Invest Like the Best episode with Saifedean: http://investorfieldguide.com/ammous/

What Bitcoin Did episode with Saifedean: https://www.whatbitcoindid.com/podcast/saifedean-ammous-on-understanding-bitcoin-economics

Plan B’s stock-to-flow model applied to Bitcoin: https://medium.com/@100trillionUSD/modeling-bitcoins-value-with-scarcity-91fa0fc03e25

https://medium.com/@100trillionUSD/bitcoin-stock-to-flow-cross-asset-model-50d260feed12

Essay on why the stock-to-flow model is wrong: https://www.coindesk.com/why-the-stock-to-flow-bitcoin-valuation-model-is-wrong

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David Chaum, the inventor of eCash and CEO of xx network, and Adam Back, the inventor of Hashcash and the cofounder and CEO of Blockstream, discuss their involvement in digital currency well before Bitcoin existed. In this episode, they discuss:

• how they each became enamored with the idea of digital currency years before such an idea was widely discussed
• the crypto wars of the 1990s and the U.S. government’s attempts to control access to advanced cryptography
• Digicash, the creation of eCash, and the difficulties of implementing the system with the technology available at the time
• the innovation of blind signatures used in eCash
• what caused the demise of Digicash, and David's role in that
• the development of Hashcash and the problems Adam was trying to solve by creating it
• their initial reactions to learning about Bitcoin for the first time
• how they think Bitcoin might improve in the future
• the stock-to-flow Model, and where they believe the Bitcoin price might go next
• why the Hashcash proof-of-work mechanism became so widely used 

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Episode links: 

Adam Back: https://twitter.com/adam3us

Blockstream: https://blockstream.com 

Adam's website: http://www.cypherspace.org

David Chaum: https://twitter.com/chaumdotcom

Elixxir: https://elixxir.io 

XX Network: https://xx.network

Previous Unchained episode on the history of digital currency: https://unchainedpodcast.com/why-bitcoin-now-the-history-of-digital-currency/

Wired article on “e-money”: https://www.wired.com/1994/12/emoney/  

Translated Dutch article on why DigiCash failed:  https://cryptome.org/jya/digicrash.htm

Aaron Van Wirdum's Bitcoin Magazine series on the history of digital currency:  https://www.whatbitcoindid.com/podcast/the-beginners-guide-to-bitcoin-part-3-bitcoins-pre-history-and-the-cypherpunks-with-aaron-van-wirdum 

David Chaum's e-Cash: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/genesis-files-how-david-chaums-ecash-spawned-cypherpunk-dream

Hashcash: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/genesis-files-hashcash-or-how-adam-back-designed-bitcoins-motor-block

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Aaron van Wirdum is the technical editor at Bitcoin Magazine. Finn Brunton is the author of “Digital Cash: The Unknown History of the Anarchists, Utopians, and Technologists Who Created Cryptocurrency.” In this episode, they tackle the history of digital currency. Topics include:

• the motivations behind the earliest attempts to create digital currencies, and who was behind those attempts
• the Extropian philosophy and how digital currency was born out of it
• how the cypherpunks came together and eventually began implementing tools that would lead to the creation of digital currencies
• the problems faced during the development of digital money, from double-spending to privacy, centralization, and spam
• the development of a public key protocol and why it was so significant
• the characteristics of earlier forms of digital currency like e-cash, hashcash, b-money, and bit gold, as well as their differences
• the original purpose of proof-of-work and how it was developed
• Hal Finney’s essential contributions to the creation of earlier digital currencies, and later, Bitcoin
• previous implementations of blockchain and how Bitcoin came to reinvent and utilize it
• which previous digital currencies come closest to Bitcoin
• and who they think Satoshi Nakamoto is … 

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Episode links: 

Aaron Van Wirdum: https://twitter.com/AaronvanW

Finn Brunton: http://finnb.net

Digital Cash: The Unknown History of the Anarchists, Utopians, and Technologists Who Created Cryptocurrency: https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691179490/digital-cash

Aaron's Bitcoin magazine series on the early days of digital currency: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/genesis-files-how-david-chaums-ecash-spawned-cypherpunk-dream

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/genesis-files-hashcash-or-how-adam-back-designed-bitcoins-motor-block

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/genesis-files-if-bitcoin-had-first-draft-wei-dais-b-money-was-it

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/genesis-files-bit-gold-szabo-was-inches-away-inventing-bitcoin

Aaron on What Bitcoin Did discussing the stories: https://www.whatbitcoindid.com/podcast/the-beginners-guide-to-bitcoin-part-3-bitcoins-pre-history-and-the-cypherpunks-with-aaron-van-wirdum 

Breaker Mag Interview with Finn Brunton about his book: https://breakermag.com/new-book-reveals-cryptos-radical-origins/

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Dave Jevans, CEO of CipherTrace, and Siân Jones, Senior Partner at XReg Consulting, give the lowdown on the Financial Action Task Force’s travel rule and how it applies to businesses in the crypto space. They discuss:

A glossary of terms discussed in the episode: 

FATF: Financial Action Task Force, an intergovernmental organization that develops policies to combat money laundering and terrorist financing

VASP: virtual asset service providers, who are custodial entities that run fiat-to-crypto or crypto-to-crypto exchanges, or run businesses related to transfer and safekeeping of virtual assets and financial services.

FinCEN: Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, the United States federal bureau that analyzes information about financial transactions in order to fight money laundering, terrorist financing, and other financial crimes

FCA: Financial Conduct Authority, the financial regulatory body of the UK

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Episode links: 

Dave Jevans: https://twitter.com/davejevans

CipherTrace: https://ciphertrace.com/

Sian Jones: https://twitter.com/COINSULT

XReg Consulting: https://www.xreg.consulting/

Financial Action Task Force (FATF): https://www.fatf-gafi.org/

The Osaka conference where crypto got serious about FATF’s travel rule: https://www.coindesk.com/inside-the-osaka-conference-where-crypto-got-serious-about-fatfs-travel-rule

Will Osaka be crypto’s Bretton Woods moment? https://forkast.news/will-osaka-be-cryptos-bretton-woods-moment/

InterVASP Messaging Standard: https://intervasp.org

OpenVASP: https://openvasp.org

OpenVASP white paper: https://openvasp.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/OpenVasp_Whitepaper.pdf?cache=1

FATF report on “so-called stablecoins”: http://www.fatf-gafi.org/media/fatf/documents/recommendations/Virtual-Assets-FATF-Report-G20-So-Called-Stablecoins.pdf

OKEx’s Korea arm delisted privacy coins: https://www.theblockcrypto.com/post/39724/okex-korea-delisting-all-privacy-coins-including-monero-zcash-and-dash-as-these-violate-fatfs-travel-rule

Some of the potential FATF compliance solutions: 

Travel Rule Information Sharing Alliance (TRISA): https://trisa.io/

Coinbase’s messaging board solution: https://www.theblockcrypto.com/daily/72293/coinbase-exchanges-fatf-travel-rule-solution

CoolBitX: https://www.theblockcrypto.com/post/56853/coolbitx-raises-16-75m-series-b-to-help-crypto-exchanges-comply-with-fatfs-travel-rule

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Vitalik Buterin, co-founder of Ethereum, shares his thoughts on the five-year anniversary of Ethereum, challenges with ETH 2.0 and criticisms about DeFi. We discuss:

• his thoughts and feelings ahead of Ethereum’s five-year anniversary
• how to address the high gas fees on the Ethereum network
• whether the complexity of Ethereum 2.0 creates a risk for the security of the network
• whether staking will lead to a higher focus on ETH price and issues such as monetary policy 
• how he looks at the ETH price with its significance for security in Ethereum 2.0
• how proof of stake systems can be more democratic
• whether staking lends itself to the kind of securitization that looks similar to mortgage-backed securities
• his concerns about DeFi
• the most optimal way for DeFi projects to distribute their tokens
• his thoughts about Bitcoin on Ethereum
• inherent risks to Ethereum users connected to China’s Blockchain Service Network (BSN)
• his views on DCEP, other CBDCs and Libra
• the indictment of Ethereum Foundation staff member Virgil Griffith for allegedly helping North Korea to circumvent sanctions
• how he plans to make the Ethereum Foundation more transparent
• whether lack of diversity would impact the success of Ethereum in the long term
• where he would like to see Ethereum in the next five years

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Episode links: 

Vitalik Buterin: https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin

Ethereum: https://ethereum.org/en/

Vitalik’s blog: https://vitalik.ca

Median gas price: https://blockchair.com/ethereum/charts/median-gas-price

Average gas price: https://blockchair.com/ethereum/charts/average-gas-price

Solutions to gas price problem: https://www.coindesk.com/ethereum-developers-consider-new-fee-model-as-gas-costs-climb

Reddit AMA with the Ethereum 2.0 Research team, including Vitalik: https://old.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/ho2zpt/ama_we_are_the_efs_eth_20_research_team_pt_4_10/

Paper on how DeFi lending could undermine security in a POS system: https://arxiv.org/abs/2001.00919

Vitalik tweet on yield farming: https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/1278337657194655744

Abra settlement with SEC and CFTC: https://www.coindesk.com/sec-cftc-hit-crypto-app-abra-with-300k-in-penalties-over-illegal-swaps

Maya Zehavi’s comments on what this could mean for DeFi: https://twitter.com/mayazi/status/1282696180741414918

China’s BSN using public chains, including Ethereum: https://www.coindesk.com/chinas-blockchain-infrastructure-to-extend-global-reach-with-six-public-chains

Unchained interview about DCEP: https://unchainedpodcast.com/why-china-aims-to-replace-cash-with-the-digital-yuan/

Charges against Virgil Griffith: https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/manhattan-us-attorney-announces-arrest-united-states-citizen-assisting-north-korea

More on Virgil Griffith case: https://www.coindesk.com/usa-v-virgil-griffith-what-we-know-and-dont-in-the-bombshell-crypto-sanctions-case

Unchained interview with human rights activist Yeonmi Park on what life is like in North Korea: https://unchainedpodcast.com/yeonmi-park-on-why-doing-business-with-north-korea-is-like-buying-a-ticket-to-a-concentration-camp/

Unchained interview on why North Korea is interested in cryptocurrency: https://unchainedpodcast.com/why-north-korea-is-interested-in-cryptocurrency/

Case against Steven Nerayoff: https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/pr/two-arrested-extortion-startup-cryptocurrency-company

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Camila Russo, founder of The Defiant and author of a new book on Ethereum, "The Infinite Machine," speaks about how currency controls in Argentina got her interested in crypto and explains why she chose to tell the Ethereum story. She discusses:

• how she started covering the crypto space
• what it was like living through currency controls in Argentina
• why she started focusing on Ethereum instead of Bitcoin
• what’s in her new book, The Infinite Machine
• the most pivotal moments in Ethereum’s history
• possible risks to Ethereum 2.0 because of delays
• whether competing protocols could take market share away from Ethereum
• the most surprising aspect of the Ethereum story
• starting her own DeFi-focused media platform, The Defiant
• why she launched ‘CAMI’ tokens and how they are used
• the significance of ERC-20 tokens having a higher market cap than ETH
• her predictions about trends and promising projects in the DeFi space

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Episode links: 

Camila Russo: https://twitter.com/CamiRusso

The Infinite Machine: https://www.harpercollins.com/products/the-infinite-machine-camila-russo

The Defiant: https://thedefiant.substack.com/

Excerpt from The Infinite Machine on CoinDesk: https://www.coindesk.com/sale-of-the-century-the-inside-story-of-ethereums-2014-premine

Decrypt review: https://decrypt.co/35466/the-incredible-story-of-ethereum-the-infinite-machine

Camila on what Ethereum has accomplished in five years: https://www.coindesk.com/five-years-on-ethereum-really-is-the-minecraft-of-crypto-finance

Hidden Forces podcast with Camila:  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/rise-ethereum-future-defi-transformation-crypto-media/id1205359334?i=1000484635053

Camila in the Keen On podcast: https://lithub.com/camila-russo-on-ethereum-and-the-future-of-the-internet/

Ethereum 2.0 phase 0 may not go live until 2021: https://www.theblockcrypto.com/linked/71155/eth-2-phase-0-ama-2021

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Niall Ferguson, Milbank Family Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, and the author of numerous books including The Ascent of Money: A Financial History of the World and most recently, the Square and the Tower: Networks and Power from the Freemasons to Facebook, and Michael Casey, chief content officer at CoinDesk and coauthor of two books on crypto, The Age of Cryptocurrency and The Truth Machine, discuss the history of money and the macro environment for Bitcoin. We cover:

• how they became involved in crypto
• historically, what has made things money, or how people have decided that something is money
• the difficulty of managing fiat currency
• modern monetary theory and the role of the state in the financial system
• Satoshi’s message in BTC’s genesis block and what that indicates about Satoshi's intentions with Bitcoin 
• whether a more transparent, blockchain-based financial system could eventually lead to a new financial order
• how Bitcoin behaves like an option on digital gold, and when it will behave like digital gold
• whether Bitcoin is simply a reversion to previous forms of money that weren’t controlled by the state
• how crypto/blockchain and fintech innovation from startups and the Chinese government will affect the USD
• how a hypothetical war between the US and China would affect the dollar's dominance
• how China's DCEP could disintermediate banks 
• how Bitcoin fits into all of the different macro conditions facing the global economy
• whether Libra is going to be the initial gateway getting people into our digital currency world
• how well the recovery from coronavirus will go, and how it will affect the development of the crypto space in the near-term

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Episode links: 

Niall Ferguson: http://www.niallferguson.com

The Ascent of Money: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/302900/the-ascent-of-money-by-niall-ferguson/

Michael Casey: https://www.michaeljcasey.com

Money Reimagined: https://www.coindesk.com/tag/money-reimagined

The Age of Cryptocurrency: https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250081551

The first episode in the Why Bitcoin Now series: Mike Novogratz and Raoul Pal on 'the Single Greatest Brand' ofo the Last 10 Years:  https://unchainedpodcast.com/why-bitcoin-now-mike-novogratz-and-raoul-pal-on-the-single-greatest-brand-of-the-last-10-years/

How Niall got into Bitcoin:

http://www.niallferguson.com/journalism/finance-economics/bitcoin-may-go-pop-but-its-revolution-will-go-on

Niall and Michael at Consensus: https://www.coindesk.com/disruption-money-and-a-world-of-change-feat-niall-ferguson

Unchained interview with Chamath Palihapitiya, who believes Bitcoin is a hedge on everything blowing up: https://unchainedpodcast.com/chamath-palihapitiya-why-bitcoin-will-be-the-category-winner/

Carlota Perez at CoinDesk's Consensus: https://www.coindesk.com/video/carlota-perez-on-blockchains-and-technological-revolutions

Unchained interview about the DCEP: https://unchainedpodcast.com/why-china-aims-to-replace-cash-with-the-digital-yuan/

Unchained interview with Christopher Giancarlo about a digital dollar: https://unchainedpodcast.com/christopher-giancarlo-why-the-us-needs-to-have-a-digital-dollar/

Unconfirmed episode with Michael about Libra: https://unchainedpodcast.com/why-it-would-be-good-if-libra-rivaled-the-us-dollar/

Unchained episode with a co-creator of Libra: https://unchainedpodcast.com/a-libra-co-creator-on-how-facebook-will-make-money-from-calibra/

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