Unchained

By Laura Shin

Crypto assets and blockchain technology are about to transform every trust-based interaction of our lives, from financial services to identity to the Internet of Things. In this podcast, host Laura Sh... more

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September 01, 2023Does Grayscale’s Win Against the SEC Mean a Spot Bitcoin ETF Will Be Approved? - Ep. 539
This week’s emphatic ruling in favor of Grayscale in its suit against the SEC to convert its massive bitcoin trust into an ETF generated plenty of hopium among the bitcoin faithful that a spot bitcoin ETF will get approved soon and open a flood of investment in bitcoin. What are the odds of that truly happening now, though, and if it did, how much additional money could wind up being invested in bitcoin as a result? Also, which companies’ applications would get approved first and how would the various products compete with one other? Bloomberg’s senior ETF analyst Eric Balchunas separates the hype from the reality in answering these questions and more.
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Show highlights:
why Bloomberg increased the likelihood of a Bitcoin ETF being approved this year from 50% to 75%
how the ruling exceeded the expectations of the legal analysts at Bloomberg
why it's important that the ruling was a bipartisan decision
whether, from a legal perspective, it's "weird" to deny a spot ETF but approve a futures one
how a spot Bitcoin ETF would act as a bridge for Baby boomers to invest in crypto
what the two most likely SEC responses to the ruling are
what the likely timelines for an SEC spot Bitcoin ETF approval or disapproval would be
whether Gary Gensler's agency will approve Ethereum futures ETFs in the U.S.
why BlackRock's and Fidelity's ETFs are more likely to be approved first, according to Eric
how the different ETFs would compete in the market
why spot Bitcoin ETFs pose a serious threat to crypto exchanges' businesses
Eric's estimate of how much additional money would pour into Bitcoin if a spot Bitcoin ETF is approved
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Guest
Eric Balchunas, Senior ETF analyst at Bloomberg IntelligenceLinks
Previous coverage of Unchained on Grayscale and ETFs:
Why Grayscale Is Suing the SEC Over Its Denial of a Bitcoin ETF
Bitwise’s Latest Plans to Get a Bitcoin ETF Approved
DCG’s Dilemma: Should It Sell Its GBTC Holdings to Repay Gemini?
Gemini vs. DCG Is Heating Up. Could Gemini Force Genesis Into Bankruptcy?
‘The Last Big Whale’: Why the Crypto Contagion of 2022 Eventually Hit Genesis
Unchained:
Grayscale Wins Lawsuit Against SEC Over Denial of Bid to Convert GBTC Into a Bitcoin ETF
Bitcoin ETFs Explained: What Are They & How Do They Work?

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August 31, 2023The Chopping Block: Coinbase’s Paul Grewal on Why the SEC Is Going After Crypto So Aggressively - Ep. 538
Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, and Tarun Chitra, chop it up about the latest news. This week, the gang goes in depth with Coinbase chief legal officer Paul Grewal to discuss Grayscale’s win in its court case against the SEC, Coinbase’s ongoing dust-up with the SEC, the onerous new crypto reporting regulations proposed by the U.S. Treasury, and the unsettling legal arguments behind the government crackdown on Tornado Cash.

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Show highlights:
why Paul considers the court ruling in favor of Grayscale in its case against the SEC “nothing short of monumental”
how much it actually matters if a spot Bitcoin ETF gets approved
what options the SEC has now to pursue its position
why BlackRock may have applied for its spot Bitcoin ETF when it did
how the SEC 'changed its tune' and went from approving Coinbase’s S1 to suing them in a federal court, according to Paul
how the collapse of FTX may have affected the SEC’s view of Coinbase
why Coinbase has decided to wage its battle against the SEC so publicly
when Paul expects a final decision to be made on the SEC’s lawsuit against Coinbase
what Paul would do to regulate the digital asset industry if he were Gary Gensler
whether the Treasury Department’s extensive proposed reporting regulations mean the crypto industry is “screwed”
why Paul believes that the government’s crackdown on Tornado Cash is "dead wrong on the law"
Hosts
Haseeb Qureshi, managing partner at Dragonfly
Tom Schmidt, general partner at Dragonfly
Tarun Chitra, managing partner at Robot Ventures
Guest:
Paul Grewal, chief legal officer of Coinbase
Previous appearances on Unchained:
Just a Coincidence? Coinbase and Polygon Lawyers See Bad Omens in SEC Crackdown
Coinbase’s Top Lawyer Calls SEC Wells Notice a ‘Massive Overreach’
DisclosuresLinks
Unchained:
Grayscale Wins Lawsuit Against SEC Over Denial of Bid to Convert GBTC Into a Bitcoin ETF
SEC Issues Coinbase a Wells Notice
Tornado Cash Cofounder Arrested, Another Sanctioned by U.S. Government
Bitcoin ETFs Explained: What Are They & How Do They Work?
Coinbase: We asked the SEC for reasonable crypto rules for Americans. We got legal threats instead.
TechCrunch: SEC settles first NFT enforcement case, fines LA media company $6M
The Block: Treasury, IRS release proposed crypto tax reporting rules

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August 29, 2023Oracles: Does the Backbone of DeFi Need Fixing? - Ep. 537
Oracles are all about bringing important data (mostly asset prices) onto the blockchain. As such, they’re a key part of decentralized finance. But oracle provider Pyth sees room for improvement as it relates to being more real-time than crypto incumbents like Chainlink. Mike Cahill, the CEO of a brand new Pyth-linked firm called Douro Labs, joins the show to explain the opportunity he sees in building better oracles.
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Show highlights:
how Pyth Network works and what the upcoming Perseus upgrade consists of
Mike’s background in traditional finance
why oracles are necessary in crypto and what the challenges are for oracle providers
whether it’s hard for traditional institutions to participate in crypto protocols
what the four types of oracle solutions are and how they differ
how Pyth determines which data providers are allowed in the network and how that will change if it becomes more decentralized
why Mike compares the scalability of Pyth to how Facebook grew
why Douro Labs is being launched and why it will be solely focused on Pyth for now
the factors driving Pyth’s growth, according to Mike
Mike’s opinion on the current state of the crypto market and what the endgame is for Pyth
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Guest:
Mike Cahill, CEO at Douro Labs.Links
What’s the Difference Between Pyth and Legacy Oracles
Unchained:
What Are Blockchain Oracles?

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August 25, 2023Is This the End of DeFi? Why the US Government Is Going After Tornado Cash - Ep. 536
On Wednesday, the U.S. Government indicted Tornado Cash developers Roman Storm and Roman Semenov for three counts of conspiracy involving a staggeringly large number: $1 billion in criminal proceeds. The U.S. Department of Justice attached North Korean hackers to a large portion of this sum, alleging that Tornado’s privacy tech enabled nefarious deeds. Amanda Tuminelli, chief legal officer of the DeFi Education Fund, joins the show to assess whether the U.S. Government got it right or is merely misguided in its understanding of how blockchain technology works. Should Tornado Cash devs be held to account for the criminal use of their software?
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Show highlights:
why the U.S. Government says the cofounders of Tornado Cash facilitated money laundering
what the difference is between the concealment of potential proceeds of a crime versus the facilitation of that crime
why Amanda believes that if the government understood the technology they wouldn’t be making these allegations
whether the charges and the indictment will have implications for all software developers
whether these allegations could mark the “end of DeFi” in the U.S.
whether front-end applications in DeFi will need to mandate KYC checks for all users
how the charges appear to contradict earlier FinCEN guidance
how the DOJ will use the involvement of North Korean hackers to “make it look bad” for the jury
what the future of the case will look like and whether there will be a motion to dismiss the indictment
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Guest
Amanda Tuminelli, Chief Legal Officer at DeFi Education FundLinks
Previous coverage of Unchained on Tornado Cash:
The Chopping Block: 'Code Is Law' Is 'Obviously Not How Anything Works Ever'
The Chopping Block: Why DeFi May Be Over-Complying With Tornado Cash Sanctions
Preston Van Loon on Ethereum’s Merge and His Lawsuit Against Treasury
Given the Sanctions on Tornado Cash, Is Ethereum Censorship Resistant?
The Chopping Block: Did OFAC Overstep by Sanctioning Tornado Cash?
Tornado Cash Sanctioned. Did the Government Overstep Its Bounds?
Unchained:
Tornado Cash Cofounder Arrested, Another Sanctioned by U.S. Government
OFAC Updates Tornado Cash Sanctions To Include DAO
Coin Center Sues the US Treasury Over Tornado Cash Sanctions
Coin Center: New Tornado Cash indictments seem to run counter to FinCEN guidance

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August 24, 2023The Chopping Block: All About That Base With Jesse Pollak - Ep. 535
Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest news. This week, Coinbase’s Jesse Pollak talks about the ambitious goals of Base, the new Optimism–based blockchain from the publicly traded crypto giant. With the viral success of Base-based Friend.Tech, Jesse discusses the Base team’s ambitious goals to onboard “a million builders, a billion users.” Is this the long-heralded path to scaling Ethereum?
Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, TuneIn, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform.
Show highlights:
why Jesse says it’s still “day one” for Base
the reason behind Base’s “one million developers, one billion users” slogan
what the advantages of Base are compared to other layer 2 blockchains
how Base accounts for the fact that it doesn’t have a token to incentivize developer activity
how MEV bots represent a big part of the transactions on Base, especially with the emergence of Friend.Tech
why Friend.Tech found early success despite being similar to previous efforts
Jesse’s response to the fact that fault proofs are not live on any of the OP Stack chains
how much of the revenue generated by Coinbase’s sequencer will be distributed to Optimism
whether Base and Optimism Mainnet compete with each other
how layer 2 chains are choosing different design paths and how that differentiates them
Hosts
Haseeb Qureshi, managing partner at Dragonfly
Robert Leshner, founder of Compound
Tom Schmidt, general partner at Dragonfly
Tarun Chitra, managing partner at Robot Ventures
Guest
Jesse Pollak, lead contributor at BaseDisclosuresLinks
Unchained: Coinbase Launches a New Layer 2 on Ethereum
CoinDesk: Social Platform Friend.tech Gains 100K Users in Days Even in Depths of a Bear Market
TechCrunch: Friend.tech hype is skyrocketing, but will it actually reach the stars?
Decrypt: Base Daily Transactions Outpace Ethereum on Friend.tech Frenzy

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August 22, 2023Can Maker’s Rune Christensen Fix the Sad State of DAO Governance? - Ep. 534
The height of the last bull run was when MakerDAO cofounder Rune Christensen felt most disillusioned by DeFi and DAOs. “I didn’t even see how Maker was going to survive,” Christensen tells Laura Shin in the latest episode of Unchained. Now Christensen is leading an effort to help DAOs escape their trough of disillusionment. He says the ambitious “Endgame Plan” for MakerDAO seeks to overcome “the central issue of voter apathy.” Will it work or are DAOs doomed to fail?
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Show highlights:
the disillusionment that comes with the growth of DAOs and the need for a new approach
Rune’s insights into the challenges that most DAOs face
how Maker plans to implement alignment engineering through tools, gamification, and incentives
what each phase of Maker’s “Endgame Plan” seeks to accomplish
the strategy behind Maker’s rebranding, including the launch of new tokens while maintaining MKR and DAI
the importance of governance boundaries in ensuring that participants follow the rules and contribute constructively
the goal to reach a state of ossification and certainty, similar to Bitcoin
the challenges of renaming tokens and the decision to keep the original brands
why Rune believes that Phase 2 of the Endgame Plan will change the industry
how SubDAOs will work to align incentives, improve the organization, and avoid ponzi schemes
what Maker’s “Atlas” is and how it intends to set boundaries
how Maker plans to use artificial intelligence
the role of delegates in the DAO and how users choose them
the difference between “dovish” and “hawkish” governance
what the motivation was for launching the Spark lending protocol
why the DAI Savings Rate (DSR) is not offered to American investors and Rune’s take on DeFi regulation
why South Korea and Japan are the best crypto environments in the world, according to Rune
whether Maker should be doing more to mitigate the influence of “whales,” given that Rune owns about 10% of the MKR supply
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Guest:
Rune Christensen, Cofounder of MakerDAO
Previous appearances on Unchained:
Rune Christensen of MakerDAO Part 1: How to Keep a Crypto-Collateralized Stablecoin Afloat
Rune Christensen of MakerDAO Part 2: How Dai Stayed at $1 While ETH Crashed From $1,400 to $85
The Chopping Block: How to Manage MakerDAO, With Hasu and Rune
Rune Christensen of MakerDao on Its $15 Million From Andreessen Horowitz
Why It's so Hard to Keep Stablecoins Stable
Links
Unchained:
MakerDAO: The DeFi Protocol That Lets You Be Your Own Banker
MakerDAO’s Spark Protocol Blocks VPN Users
MakerDAO to Raise DAI Yield Amid Lower Demand for Stablecoin
Maker Founder Proposes Changing DAI Savings Rate to 5%
The Defiant: Christensen Drops Radical Plan to Remake MakerDAO and Address 'Fundamental Problems',
Christensen’s Twitter thread explaining Endgame

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1h 25min
August 18, 2023SBF Behind Bars: Why Revoked Bail Is a Big Deal for Crypto’s Biggest Trial - Ep. 533
Lawyer Brian Klein joins the show to explain why Sam Bankman-Fried being locked up makes it “much tougher” for his legal team. This week, the judge presiding over the case said SBF went too far in attempting to intimidate key witnesses – chief among them former Alameda Research co-CEO (and ex-flame) Caroline Ellison. Will a jail cell change SBF’s defiant tune ahead of a hotly anticipated October trial date? Klein weighs in.
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Show highlights:
why the detention of SBF changes the dynamics of the trial preparation
why Brian believes that the appeal to the detention won’t prevail
whether these new conditions will lead to a request for a delay of the trial
whether the fact that SBF is now in jail will make him more interested in a plea deal
why both the prosecution and the defense have filed motions to limit allowable evidence and what that means for the trial
what the short-term future of the trial looks like
how long a trial like this would take to play out
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Guest
Brian Klein, partner at WaymakerLinks
Previous coverage of Unchained on Sam Bankman-Fried and FTX:
Will FTX Reboot? Here’s John Ray’s Internal Deadline for Making a Decision
The Chopping Block: Was FTX a Scam From the Very Beginning?
How Much Prison Time Is FTX’s Sam Bankman-Fried Facing?
Why the Legal Process for FTX and Sam Bankman-Fried Could Take Years
The Chopping Block: SBF Wants to Win in the Court of Public Opinion. Will He?
Jesse Powell and Kevin Zhou on How FTX and Alameda Lost $10 Billion
Is the Collapse of Crypto Lending Over, or Is It Just Starting?
Did the Bahamian Government Direct SBF and Gary Wang to Hack FTX?
The Chopping Block: Why Lenders Didn’t Liquidate Alameda When It Was Underwater
Erik Voorhees and Cobie on Why FTX Loaned Out Customers’ Assets
The Chopping Block: FTX: The Biggest Collapse in the History of Crypto?
Sam Bankman-Fried on How to Prevent the Next Terra and 3AC
Unchained:
Sam Bankman-Fried Remanded to Jail Ahead of Fraud Trial
Prosecutors Move to Include Caroline Ellison’s List of ‘Things Sam is Freaking Out About’ Into Evidence Against FTX Founder
Prosecutors Allege SBF Used $100 Million User Funds for Campaign Contributions
The New York Times: Prosecutors Detail Evidence Against Sam Bankman-Fried
The Block: Former FTX exec Salame to plead the fifth about campaign finance schemes

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44min
August 17, 2023The Chopping Block: How Wintermute Avoids ‘Zombie’ Exchanges, Base’s Early Success, Bank Fraud in the AI Era - Ep. 532
Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest news. This week, Wintermute CEO Evgeny Gaevoy joins the show to discuss market making when the crypto markets are quiet. Plus, an analysis of Base’s prospects following a surge of early interest. Also: Do you think bank fraud is going to run rampant in the AI era?

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Show highlights:
how prop shops like Wintermute view the current state of the crypto market
how an organization like WIntermute interacts with DeFi platforms
Tarun and Evgeny attempt to squash some past beef
why Evgeny believes that some exchanges are “zombies”
whether this is a good time to build an exchange and how Evgeny would do it
how Base accomplished a big surge in its TVL and daily volumes
whether it’s possible for Coinbase to balance the decentralized nature of building a blockchain with a desire to minimize scams
how L2 sequencers have the power to censor transactions and the analogy to proof-of-authority chains
how friend.tech, the social app built on Base, works and why it got so much attention
why the crypto cognoscenti seemed to like friend.tech but hated BitClout, which is basically the same thing
what is the role of biometrics in securing crypto wallets and assets
whether bank fraud will increase or decrease because of advances in AI
Hosts
Haseeb Qureshi, managing partner at Dragonfly
Robert Leshner, founder of Compound
Tarun Chitra, managing partner at Robot Ventures
Guest:
Evgeny Gaevoy, CEO of Wintermute Trading
Previous appearance on Unchained: How Traders Are Thinking About the Merge — and a Potential ETHPoW Chain
DisclosuresLinks
Unchained: Coinbase Layer 2 Base Sees 80% Rise in Total Value Locked
CoinDesk: Is Friend.tech a Friend or Foe? A Dive Into the New Social App Driving Millions in Trading Volume
Halborn: Explained: The Wintermute Hack (September 2022)
Forbes: Layer 2 Wars Heat Up As Coinbase Launches Base

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August 15, 2023Anita Posch on Why ‘Bitcoin Is a Tool for Freedom’ – Especially in Africa - Ep. 531
Educator Anita Posch has spent months on the ground in Africa onboarding new users into the world of Bitcoin. In the West, bitcoin may seem extraneous; but in her telling, bitcoin in Zimbabwe, Zambia, and other African countries is essential. “Bitcoin can be one of the solutions for people who are disempowered, who are outlawed, the misfits,” says Posch. “Bitcoin is for them because no one can take it away from you.”

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Show highlights:
what Anita does for Bitcoin education and why she was inspired to do this
how people in developing countries are constantly getting scammed
how the Central Bank of Zimbabwe acts as an intermediary in business operations
whether people in these countries use BTC or stablecoins for their day to day expenses
what the differences are between the several Bitcoin communities around the world
how in Zimbabwe people could get arrested for transacting in Bitcoin
why Bitcoin is essential to human rights, according to Anita
whether Bitcoin can help to tackle the issue of discrimination against women, particularly in finance
why Anita is “very sad” about the launch of Worldcoin
why she was against Bitcoin Ordinals in the first place and whether she has changed her mind
what Anita’s new Bitcoin learning program aims to accomplish
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Guest:
Anita Posch, founder of Bitcoin for Fairness, author of (L)earn Bitcoin, and host of the Anita Posch show.
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45min Documentary: How Bitcoin Enforces Human Rights
13 min Keynote: Bitcoin empowers Africa and Africans empower Bitcoin
Links
Previous coverage of Unchained mentioned in the episode:
Orb Outrage: Worldcoin Cofounder Defends Project Amid Backlash
Why CoinFund Believes Worldcoin Could Become More Popular Than Bitcoin
Bitcoin’s BRC-20 Mania: Is It Sustainable?

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August 11, 2023Will PayPal's PYUSD Steal Market Share From Tether and Circle? - Ep. 530
A major player has entered the stablecoin wars. PayPal went deeper down the crypto rabbithole this week with the launch of its Ethereum-based PYUSD. The dollar-backed stablecoin now puts PayPal in competition with the likes of Tether and Circle for quickly sending value around the world on-chain. José Fernández da Ponte, PayPal’s crypto SVP, joins the show to unpack how the fintech giant is building a long-term strategy around blockchain-based payments.

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Show highlights:
why PayPal decided to launch a stablecoin
how long it will take for stablecoins to reach mainstream adoption and what the advantages of stablecoins are
how PYUSD will differentiate from other giants in the stablecoin space such as USDT and USDC
whether the U.S. stablecoin bill influenced the launch of PYUSD
why stablecoins should be regulated at the state level
whether PayPal plans to launch stablecoins pegged to other fiat currencies
how Paxos will provide attestation reports for PYUSD
why Jose thinks gaming is a huge opportunity for stablecoin payments
what the rationale was for launching an ERC-20 on Ethereum
how PayPal plans to monetize the stablecoin
why PayPal’s expectations for PYUSD in the short-term are “moderate”
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Guest
José Fernández da Ponte, SVP of Blockchain, Crypto and Digital Currencies at PayPal
Links
Unchained: PayPal Launches PYUSD Stablecoin Built on Ethereum
CoinDesk:
PayPal’s Real Stablecoin Strategy: It Wants to Earn Interest on Your Deposits
Congresswoman Maxine Waters Says She’s ‘Deeply Concerned’ About PayPal’s New Stablecoin
U.S. Stablecoin Bill Takes Big Step Despite Fight From Democrats, White House
Paxos Has Other 'White Label' Stablecoin Opportunities in the Works in Addition to PayPal USD
Blockworks: PayPal’s new stablecoin stirs centralization criticism
CNBC: PayPal is trying to drag its 435 million users into the $120 billion stablecoin market — here's why

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