Unchained

By Laura Shin

Crypto assets and blockchain technology are about to transform every trust-based interaction of our lives, from financial services to identity to the Internet of Things. In this podcast, host Laura Sh... more

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May 30, 2023These 2 Crypto Trading Platforms Agree With SEC Chair Gary Gensler - Ep. 499
“Lack of regulatory clarity” is the catchall complaint levied against U.S. regulators by most major players in the crypto industry. But the founders of Bosonic and Prometheum disagree. Both firms have spent years chasing the necessary regulatory approvals to compliantly trade digital assets, including those seen as securities. Last week, Prometheum secured a potentially landmark approval to operate as a special purpose broker-dealer for digital asset securities. Prometheum co-founder Aaron Kaplan and Rosario Ingargiola, founder of Bosonic, which earlier secured a similar approval, discuss why big players like Coinbase need to quit carping in the court of public opinion and do the hard work of getting approved.
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Show highlights:
what Bosonic and Prometheum Capital do
how Aaron and Rosario started working in crypto
what it means to be a special purpose broker-dealer
what the three-step letter from the SEC is and why it's relevant for scaling a digital asset business
how exchanges work in traditional finance and how crypto differs
why Aaron believes there’s a “pathway forward for crypto in the U.S.”
whether the argument that there’s a lack of regulatory clarity is convenient for crypto incumbents
why Aaron agrees with SEC Chair Gary Gensler on his stance that everything except BTC is a security
how a token registration would work and what the nuances would be
why Coinbase’s approval to be a publicly traded company does not mean that the SEC is in line with the business
whether ETH is a security, with Aaron arguing it is and Rosario saying it’s a commodity
what the different requirements are for national securities exchanges and alternative trading systems
what Aaron and Rosario would tell existing crypto companies as it relates to compliance
whether regulation kills innovation
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Guests:
Aaron Kaplan, co-CEO and co-founder of Prometheum
Rosario Ingargiola, Founder and CEO of Bosonic
Previous coverage of Unchained on crypto regulation:
Ex-CFTC Commissioner Berkovitz Says ‘DeFi Should Be Regulated’ – But How?
‘Is ETH a Security?’ Why Gary Gensler Couldn’t Give Congress a Straight Answer
Coinbase's Legal Action Against the SEC: How It Will Likely Unfold
Rep. Emmer on Why He Believes Gary Gensler Is a ‘Bad-Faith Regulator’
Is the Government Trying to Kill Off Crypto in the US?
Coinbase’s Top Lawyer Calls SEC Wells Notice a ‘Massive Overreach’
Links
CoinDesk:
SEC Proposal Could Bar Investment Advisers From Keeping Assets at Crypto Firms
U.S. SEC Moves Toward DeFi Oversight as It Reopens Proposed Regulations
Prepared Remarks of Gary Gensler On Crypto Markets Penn Law Capital Markets Association Annual Conference
SEC Issues Investigative Report Concluding DAO Tokens, a Digital Asset, Were Securities
Unchained:
SEC Chair Gary Gensler Avoids Question: ‘Is Ethereum a Security?’
Coinbase Seeks to Compel SEC Response to Rulemaking Petition
SEC Asks Court to Deny Coinbase Demand for Crypto Rules
Financial Institutions Hub: SEC Proposal Targets Crypto Exchanges, Trading Platforms, and Brokers
Emmer and Soto Introduce Bipartisan Bill to Provide Regulatory Clarity for Digital Assets

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May 26, 2023Ethereum L2s Are About to Be the Hot New Thing in NFTs - Ep.498
It’s in the name: mint.fun. Co-founder Luke Miles joins the show to talk about his platform’s efforts to make NFTs more discoverable, accessible and fun. He also shares his on-the-ground perspectives on emerging trends in the NFT space – everything from Bitcoin Ordinals to the rise of Ethereum L2s as NFT hot spots. With last cycle’s NFT mania in the rearview, what’s next?
Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, TuneIn, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform.
Show highlights:
what mint.fun is and what problems it solves for NFT users
how it is different from popular NFT marketplaces such as OpenSea and Blur
why mint.fun is also launching on Ethereum layer 2s
Luke’s thoughts on the current state of the NFT market
why the narrative has shifted from PFP projects delivering a roadmap to the ‘single creator narrative’
the difference between open-edition mints and limited editions
why NFTs on layer 2s are “about to have a moment,” according to Luke
whether mint.fun will launch on other blockchains
what Luke thinks of Ordinals and the BRC-20 mania
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Guest
Luke Miles, CEO of mint.fun
Links
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Fundrop
Recent coverage on BRC-20s: Bitcoin’s BRC-20 Mania: Is It Sustainable?
Unchained:
What Is NFT Farming? A Beginner's Guide
Music NFTs: What Are They & How Do They Work?
A Guide to Yuga Labs: The Most Important NFT Company
Exploring the NFT blue chips
What Is an NFT Marketplace?

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May 25, 2023The Chopping Block: Why Everyone Is Talking About EigenLayer - Ep. 497
Welcome to “The Chopping Block” – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner, chop it up about the latest news. In this episode, EigenLayer founder Sreeram Kannan explains his vision for providing “decentralized trust” to new projects on Ethereum. Was Vitalik Buterin’s recent “re-staking” post a shot across EigenLayer’s bow?
Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, TuneIn, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform.
Show highlights:
how Sreeram has transitioned from academia into the world of crypto
why he believes that crypto is the “coordination highway”
what EigenLayer is – explained to a five-year-old, a high schooler, a day trader, a developer, and a crypto professor
how middleware enables technology innovation
where the value accrues if there’s no token for securing a blockchain
whether Vitalik is right in being concerned about the risk of corrupting validators
what EigenLayer did to minimize risks and externalities to Ethereum
whether protocols and applications will fork if they get hacked and whether Ethereum will “bail them out”
Hosts
Haseeb Qureshi, managing partner at Dragonfly
Robert Leshner, founder of Compound
Tom Schmidt, general partner at Dragonfly
Tarun Chitra, managing partner at Robot Ventures
Guest
Sreeram Kannan, founder of EigenLayer
Previous appearances on Unchained:
Do You Need to Think Twice Before Restaking Your Assets?
DisclosuresLinks
Don't overload Ethereum's consensus by Vitalik ButerinPrevious coverage of Unchained on Ethereum staking:
Shapella in the Rearview: After Major Upgrade, What’s Next for Ethereum?
How Will ETH React to Ethereum’s Shanghai Upgrade?
Post-Merge, If Lido Becomes Dominant, What Does That Mean for Ethereum?
In the Recent Crypto Market Meltdown, What Role Did Lido’s stETH Play?
Is ETH on Its Way to Becoming Ultra-Sound Money? Yes, Says Justin Drake
Learn more:
How Liquid Staking Works
A Guide to Ethereum’s Shanghai Upgrade
How to Stake Ethereum With Liquid Staking

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May 23, 2023Ex-CFTC Commissioner Berkovitz Says ‘DeFi Should Be Regulated’ – But How? - Ep. 496
In the SEC’s push to rein in the crypto sector, one question looms large: Is ETH a security? Dan Berkovitz, a former CFTC commissioner and SEC general counsel, and Colin Lloyd, a partner at law firm Sullivan & Cromwell, assess the current state of the regulatory turf war in the U.S., shedding light on some of Washington’s unanswered questions.
Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, TuneIn, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform.
Show highlights:
how an asset can be both a commodity and a security
what it means that bitcoin and ether were listed as non-security futures
whether The Merge may have changed regulators’ views on the classification of ETH
who would be responsible for determining that ETH is a security
what Colin and Dan say about ETH being a security or not
what would happen if any regulator, be it the CFTC or SEC, determined that ETH is a security
how and whether DeFi applications should be regulated
why it is important to consider the “human initiative” behind DeFi platforms
the implications of having a technology that allows for the sale of securities without an intermediary
the implications of the SEC’s proposal to change the definition of an exchange
how new technologies were integrated with the regulatory system in the past and how that differs from the current approach of the SEC
the problems of trying to regulate a technology that’s changing so fast
how other jurisdictions have been taking a more proactive approach to regulating digital assets
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Guests:
Dan Berkovitz, former General Counsel at the SEC and former Commissioner at the CFTC.
Previous appearance on Unchained: Can a DeFi Smart Contract Be Regulated? Two CFTC Commissioners Discuss

Colin Lloyd, partner at Sullivan & Cromwell
Previous coverage of Unchained on crypto regulation:
‘Is ETH a Security?’ Why Gary Gensler Couldn’t Give Congress a Straight Answer
Coinbase's Legal Action Against the SEC: How It Will Likely Unfold
Rep. Emmer on Why He Believes Gary Gensler Is a ‘Bad-Faith Regulator’
Is the Government Trying to Kill Off Crypto in the US?
Coinbase’s Top Lawyer Calls SEC Wells Notice a ‘Massive Overreach’
Links
CoinDesk:
U.S. SEC Moves Toward DeFi Oversight as It Reopens Proposed Regulations
SEC Chair Gensler Declines to Say if Ether Is a Security in Contentious Congressional Hearing
Bloomberg: CFTC Chair Rostin Behnam on the Fight to Regulate Crypto
Unchained:
SEC Chair Gary Gensler Avoids Question: ‘Is Ethereum a Security?’
SEC Sues Bittrex, Names Dash, Algorand and Other Tokens ‘Crypto Asset Securities’
Coinbase Seeks to Compel SEC Response to Rulemaking Petition
SEC Asks Court to Deny Coinbase Demand for Crypto Rules
Financial Institutions Hub: SEC Proposal Targets Crypto Exchanges, Trading Platforms, and Brokers
Emmer and Soto Introduce Bipartisan Bill to Provide Regulatory Clarity for Digital Assets

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1h 23min
May 20, 2023The Chopping Block: Wizards vs. Laser Eyes for the Future of Bitcoin - Ep. 495
Welcome to “The Chopping Block” – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, and Robert Leshner, chop it up about the latest news. In this episode, Taproot Wizards instigator Eric Wall joins the show to discuss the rise of Ordinals and what it means for the future of Bitcoin. Will inscriptions and BRC-20 tokens bring a slew of Ethereum-style problems to the original blockchain?

Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, TuneIn, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform.

Show highlights:
how Eric has set up a “war” between the “laser-eye tribe” and the “magicians”
how the Bitcoin maxi community is different from the normal Bitcoin user base
whether Ordinals fixes the lack of demand for Bitcoin block space
what Taproot is and what it enabled on the Bitcoin network
the MEV problem that could arise in Bitcoin now that demand for block space is going up
whether Bitcoin’s values resemble a religion
whether the increased demand for Bitcoin block space is good for the network, even if it’s fueled by JPEGs and “shitcoins”
why so many people got worried about Ledger Recover
why Robert thinks that Ledger’s new service is “terrifying” and why Haseeb is not so concerned
whether Bitcoin is becoming a unit of account once again
Hosts
Haseeb Qureshi, managing partner at Dragonfly
Robert Leshner, founder of Compound
Tom Schmidt, general partner at Dragonfly
Guest
Eric Wall, cofounder of Taproot Wizards
Previous appearances on Unchained:
Eric Wall and Udi Wertheimer on Why Bitcoin Maximalism Is 'Like a Shitcoin Community'
Is Bitcoin Doomed to Fail? Eric Wall and Justin Bons Face Off
Why Terra Collapsed and Whether an Algo Stablecoin Can Ever Succeed
DisclosuresLinks
CoinDesk:
Ledger Bats Back Criticism of New Wallet Recovery Service
The Blocksize Wars Revisited: How Bitcoin's Civil War Still Resonates Today
Nic Carter: There's No Such Thing as High Fees on Bitcoin
Unchained:
‘Backdoor’ for Seed Phrases? Ledger’s New Recovery Feature Spooks Users
‘Technically’ Possible to Extract User Keys? Ledger Addresses Deleted Tweet
Haseeb Qureshi’s thread on Ledger Recover
Previous coverage of Unchained on Ordinals and BRC-20s:
Bitcoin’s BRC-20 Mania: Is It Sustainable?
Bitcoin Ordinal NFTs Are Hot and Getting Hotter. What's the Hype About?

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May 19, 2023The Ugly Tradeoffs of Ledger’s New Recovery Service - Ep. 494
Ledger, the crypto industry’s leading hardware wallet manufacturer, rolled out a new recovery feature this month that caused an uproar. The recovery service has dangerous implications for crypto self-custody, says Foundation Devices Head of Content “Seth For Privacy.” He joins the show to discuss the downsides of closed-source code and the security risks that come with compromising for mainstream adoption.

Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, TuneIn, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform.
Show highlights:
how Ledger Recover works and why it caused an outrage in the crypto community
why the fact that Ledger’s code is not open-source could be considered a problem
what the concerns are about handing over additional data to Ledger
how darknet markets have always existed for fake ID verifications and how it relates to Ledger’s new feature
some of Ledger’s previous security lapses
why introducing a trusted third party undermines one of Bitcoin’s most central tenets
whether Ledger’s move is a “net good for society,” and whether people actually want a service like this in a hardware wallet
whether something will go wrong with Ledger in the future
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Railgun DAO
Stader Labs
Guest
Seth for Privacy, blogger and head of content at Foundation Devices
Blog
Foundation Devices
Twitter thread on the logistics and risks of the Ledger recovery process
Links
Ledger CTO Twitter thread on Ledger Recover
CoinDesk: Ledger Bats Back Criticism of New Wallet Recovery Service, CoinDesk
Unchained: ‘Backdoor’ for Seed Phrases? Ledger’s New Recovery Feature Spooks Users
Ledger Recover webpage
Haseeb Qureshi’s thread on the Ledger controversy
Past Ledger security issues
CoinDesk: Crypto Wallet Maker Ledger Loses 1M Email Addresses in Data Theft
Cointelegraph: Ledger data leak: A ‘simple mistake’ exposed 270K crypto wallet buyers

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May 16, 2023Bitcoin’s BRC-20 Mania: Is It Sustainable? - Ep. 493
Ordinal theory has unleashed a new wave of NFTs, memecoins and innovation on Bitcoin — but not without controversy. Bitcoin educator Dan Held and Bitcoin Frontier Fund Managing Partner Trevor Owens join the show to discuss the breakneck rise of BRC-20s and why they’re both bullish on what memecoins mean for the original blockchain.
Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, TuneIn, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform.
Show highlights:
what ordinal theory is and how it enabled Bitcoin “NFTs”
how the Ordinals Protocol differs from the ERC-721 token standard used by many Ethereum NFTs
how BRC-20s work by relying on some off-chain mechanisms
why Bitcoin is not a “dinosaur chain,” according to Dan
why Trevor says BRC-20 memecoins are superior to those on Ethereum
what the practical utilities of BRC-20s are, if any
why transaction fees in Bitcoin rose so much and why it’s healthy for the network
whether innovation is coming back to Bitcoin
whether Satoshi Nakamoto would have approved of Bitcoin NFTs
the role of speculation in fueling bitcoin adoption
the current and future state of layer 2s on Bitcoin
why Dan says BRC-20s “absolutely” solve the problem with Bitcoin’s security budget
why it’s hard to determine an “appropriate” amount for the security budget of Bitcoin
how the NFT market could be shaped after the rise of Ordinals and BRC-20s
what needs to be developed so that BRC-20s can flourish
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Guests:
Dan Held, Bitcoin educator and marketing advisor at Trust Machines
Trevor Owens, managing partner at Bitcoin Frontier Fund
Previous coverage of Unchained on Ordinals:
Bitcoin Ordinal NFTs Are Hot and Getting Hotter. What's the Hype About? - NFT Crypto
Links
Unchained:
How to Create a Bitcoin Ordinal
Bitcoin Core Developers Mull Getting Rid of BRC-20 Transactions
Binance Briefly Halted Bitcoin Withdrawals Amid Network Congestion
Domo’s thread on BRC-20s
Anita Posch’s comments.on the high fees
Nic Carter: There's No Such Thing as High Fees on Bitcoin
Nic Carter’s MIT presentation: MIT Bitcoin Expo 2019 - 10 years of Bitcoin: Evaluating its Performance as a Monetary System
Decrypt: Michael Saylor: Bitcoin Ordinals Are a ‘Catalyst’ for Adoption
[bitcoin-dev] [Mempool spam] Should we as developers reject non-standard Taproot transactions from full nodes?

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May 14, 2023The Chopping Block: Do Aragon Association Members Get 'Fat Salaries' With 'Zero Accountability'? - Ep. 492
Welcome to “The Chopping Block” – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Robert Leshner, Tom Schmidt, and Tarun Chitra chop it up about the latest news. In this episode, they talk about the recent issues surrounding the Aragon Foundation, the likelihood of Montenegro becoming an ETH hub, the BRC-20s mania, and much more!

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Show highlights:
why Zuzalu is “Burning Man in the daytime”
whether Montenegro could become the “ETH El Salvador doppelganger”
why the Aragon Foundation alleged that they were under attack
why Aragon has “missed the boat on a lot of everything that’s happened in DAOs”
whether the Aragon Foundation is “suckling on the teat of the DAO for a fat salary”
whether Arca was right about wanting the Aragon treasury to be part of the on-chain governance
how on-chain governance can do even more than many of the investment banking functions that exist currently
why some Bitcoin developers want to censor BRC-20 transactions
why the way XEN works gives Haseeb a headache
whether Binance CEO CZ invented the memecoin PEPE
what the impact of Jump and Jane Street decreasing their market making activity is
where the next market makers will come from
Hosts
Haseeb Qureshi, managing partner at Dragonfly
Robert Leshner, founder of Compound
Tarun Chitra, managing partner at Robot Ventures
Tom Schmidt, general partner at Dragonfly
DisclosuresLinks
Unchained:
Coinbase Apologizes After Calling PEPE a ‘Hate Symbol’
Market Makers Jump and Jane Street Withdraw From U.S. Crypto Trading: Report
CoinDesk: Aragon Cancels Planned Community Control of $200M Treasury Amid Battle With Activist Investors
The Block: Coinbase cuddles up to UAE policymakers as US outlook sours

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56min
May 12, 2023The IRS Wants $44B From Bankrupt FTX. How Is That Possible? - Ep. 491
News emerged this week that the U.S. Internal Revenue Service (IRS) placed $44 billion in claims on the FTX bankruptcy estate. Now creditors of the defunct crypto exchange are worried that the taxman is going to gobble up funds that would otherwise be used to make users partially whole. Wassielawyer, a lawyer specializing in restructuring and insolvency, joins the show to explain what’s going on, how that huge number is even possible, and why the so-called “trust argument” is not going to be the silver bullet that some FTX customers are dreaming of.

Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, TuneIn, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform.
Show highlights:
whether the numbers of the IRS claim are even correct
how these claims may affect all customers and unsecured creditors of FTX
whether FTX CEO John Ray will fight the claims
what the trust argument is and how it could potentially save (or not) FTX’s creditors
in what currency the investments made by creditors would be returned
why the Three Arrows Capital case differs from FTX and Mt. Gox
why what FTX allegedly did is similar, but different, from what Celsius or Voyager did
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Railgun DAO
Stader Labs
Guest
Wassielawyer, a lawyer specializing in restructuring and insolvency
Previous appearances on Unchained:
Did the Bahamian Government Direct SBF and Gary Wang to Hack
Why the Messy 3AC, Celsius, and Voyager Bankruptcies Will Drag on for Years
Three Crypto Bankruptcies: 3AC, Celsius and Voyager. What Happens Now?
Links
CoinDesk: U.S. Internal Revenue Service Files Claims Worth $44 Billion Against FTX Bankruptcy
MeatTC’s Twitter thread
Wassie’s Twitter thread

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May 09, 2023Writing the Book on FTX’s Downfall: ‘It Was All Just Sam’ - Ep. 490
Longtime crypto reporter Brady Dale has beat Michael Lewis to market with the first book on the dramatic collapse of FTX. In stores today, “SBF: How the FTX Bankruptcy Unwound Crypto’s Very Bad Good Guy,” tells the tale of the outsized role that Sam Bankman-Fried played in the FTX-Alameda death spiral. Drawing on years of reporting and interviews with SBF himself, the book charts the rise and fall of the one-time crypto wunderkind. “It became clear to me that Sam got really addicted to fame,” said Dale.
Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Stitcher, Castbox, Google Podcasts, TuneIn, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform.
Show highlights:
Brady’s background and how he came to cover crypto
how covering the space for a crypto outlet is different from a more mainstream publication
how Brady was able to finalize his book so fast
what Brady’s favorite parts of the book are
who was really responsible for the collapse of the FTX empire
whether Sam Bankman-Fried will plead guilty
whether FTX will make a comeback
how SBF thinks differently from other people, and how it led to his downfall
why Brady thinks the “dot-com bust” for crypto has yet to arrive
whether crypto has betrayed its cypherpunk ideals
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Guests:
Brady Dale, writer and reporter at Axios, and author of “SBF: How the FTX Bankruptcy Unwound Crypto’s Very Bad Good Guy”Previous coverage of Unchained on Sam Bankman-Fried and FTX:
The Chopping Block: Was FTX a Scam From the Very Beginning?
How Much Prison Time Is FTX’s Sam Bankman-Fried Facing?
Why the Legal Process for FTX and Sam Bankman-Fried Could Take Years
The Chopping Block: SBF Wants to Win in the Court of Public Opinion. Will He?
Jesse Powell and Kevin Zhou on How FTX and Alameda Lost $10 Billion
Is the Collapse of Crypto Lending Over, or Is It Just Starting?
Did the Bahamian Government Direct SBF and Gary Wang to Hack FTX?
The Chopping Block: Why Lenders Didn’t Liquidate Alameda When It Was Underwater
Erik Voorhees and Cobie on Why FTX Loaned Out Customers’ Assets
The Chopping Block: FTX: The Biggest Collapse in the History of Crypto?
Sam Bankman-Fried on How to Prevent the Next Terra and 3AC

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