Bill Bowtell, strategic health policy adviser and Adjunct Professor at UNSW, discusses the Australian government's handling of the COVID-19 coronavirus pandemic, and how it compares to the various approaches other countries are taking. He also discuss the crucial role of state and local governments, and what we can do ourselves. Bill Bowtell was an architect of the Australian government’s successful response to the HIV/AIDS epidemic. Sophie McNeill, investigative reporter and former ABC foreign correspondent in the Middle East joins Amy to discuss her book, We Can't Say We Didn't Know: Dispatches From An Age of Impunity. Sophie will share her experiences reporting from the frontlines of conflicts in Syria, Gaza, Yemen, West Bank and Iraq. Plus Ben Eltham on the latest in federal politics, including what the federal government is doing to prevent a pandemic-induced recession.