October 30, 2023

Understanding solipsism as taught by Bhagavan Ramana

2 hours 13 minutes

In a Zoom meeting with the Ramana Maharshi Foundation UK on 28th October 2023, Michael talks about solipsism as taught by Bhagavan, and answers various questions about Bhagavan’s teachings.

The analytical argument he gave at the beginning is:

1. We are the experiencer of all that we experience.

2. As the experiencer, we always experience ourself as a person.

3. As the experiencer, we perceive a world that is full of other people, who are just like the person we seem to be.

4. Since we, the experiencer, always experience ourself as a person, ever other person seems to us to be an experiencer, just like us.

5. All the other people and their experiences are no less real than the person we seem to be.

6. So long as we seem to be a person, we experience suffering, and every other person seems to us to experience suffering in the same way.

7. So long as we are firmly convinced that this person whom we seem to be is what we actually are, then our suffering and the suffering of all other people will inevitably seemto us to be real.

8. But are we this person? In other words, is this person what we actually are?

9. If this person is not what we actually are, our experience of ourself as ‘I am this person’ is an illusion, and hence unreal.

10. Everything that we (as the experiencer) experience is based upon our experience of ourself as a person, because we experience things other than ourself only when we experience ourself as a person (namely in waking and in dream).

11. Therefore if our experience of ourself as ‘I am this person’ is an illusion, our experience of everything else must be equally illusory.

12. If our experience of everything else is illusory, the person we seem to be and all the other people are a part of that illusion, and hence unreal.

13. If the person we seem to be and all the other people are unreal, their suffering and everything else that they seem to experience must also be unreal.

14. Therefore, since the appearance of multiple experiencers exists in the view of ourself as an experiencer who experiences itself as a person, if we are not this person, then the entire appearance of multiple experiencers is an illusion, and hence unreal.

15. Since there can be no appearance without an experiencer of it, the root cause of the entire appearance of multiple experiencers is the experiencer of it, namely ourself.

16. Therefore, before we can reliably judge the reality of the appearance of multiple experiencers, we first need to investigate and find out the reality of ourself, in whose view all those multiple experiencers seem to exist.

This episode can also be watched as a video here and a more compressed audio copy in Opus format (which can be listened to in the VLC media player and some other apps) can be downloaded from here.

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