Pain isn’t always a sign of damage.

Jason and Kathy sit down with Amy McDevitt, PT, DPT, PhD — pain researcher, physical therapist, and educator from the University of Colorado— to explain why unexplained pain feels worse, how imaging can increase fear, and what modern pain science actually says about chronic neck and low back pain.

Clear, evidence-based, and reassuring.

00:00 – Pain Sucks: Why This Episode Matters

02:05 – Meet Amy McDevitt, PT, DPT, PhD

06:40 – Why Unexplained Pain Feels Worse

12:30 – What Pain Actually Is (And Isn’t)

19:45 – Why Imaging Often Makes Pain Worse

28:10 – Neck & Low Back Pain Without Damage

36:20 – Fear, Avoidance, and Chronic Pain

45:15 – How Clinicians Should Talk About Pain

53:40 – What Actually Helps People Recover