Universal Wisdom

The final recorded interview of Terence McKenna, conducted by Erik Davis for Wired magazine in November 1999.

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What is mans purpose? To advance and preserve novelty. The purpose of being a human is complexify reality even more to hand on a more diverse more complicated more multiphasic universe to our children.

Widely referred to as his final interview, this was actually his penultimate interview. We will post his final interview next.

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"When you have consciousness two alternatives are possible, either you become happy or unhappy, then it is your own choice... man can be tremendously happy or unhappy, he has the freedom to choose. This freedom is very dangerous, something has happened to this freedom, something has gone wrong."

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“When you know that this moment is the Tao, and this moment, considered by itself, is without past, without future, eternal, neither coming into being, nor going out of being: there is nirvana.” – Alan Watts

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Leary discusses his philosophy, drugs, prison rights, and his life on the run as well as his life in prison.

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Ram Dass continues his spiritual evolution and learns the meaning of “renunciation of desire” and explores different vehicles to get to and maintain a place of pure oneness.  “The whole matter of enlightenment that is required is what is called renunciation. When you think of the word renunciation, many of you probably think in terms of people living off in the woods with no possessions. That’s an external manifestation of renunciation – renunciation here means not the renunciation of action but of a desire.” – Ram Dass

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"We're turning the whole planet into a white bread, mall shopping culture. The values of every other way of doing things is being subsumed. I've talked a lot about partnership societies in the human past, and how the nostalgia for these kinds of social arrangements have driven us throughout our experience of history. Even today in the Amazon, and a few other relic environments, partnership exist, thrive and regulate themselves through a symbiotic relationship to plants that we call hallucinogenic."

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"There is no heaven anywhere, it is here. It is always here, it is never there. It is always now, it is never then. The very idea of heaven somewhere else; there, then, is a strategy of the mind to deceive you, to keep you ignorant of the heaven that surrounds you every moment."

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"We Western consciousness think with the rational mind. But the system that we're dealing with is meta to the rational system, superior to it, above it, behind it, inside it. A system cannot look at something outside of itself. Since we only know the world through our rational mind and senses, that which is available to us in other ways, we tend to reject. We attach a certain kind of emotional rejection to it, we apply a self-righteous cynicism."

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"When we say it's just a game, we often mean it's trivial. But there can be important games, as when we play a musical instrument, we're not necessarily doing something frivolous, but we are playing. And there is something in the nature of all play, that is not serious, but may be at the same time sincere. All the things that we do and busy ourselves with as human beings, can be seen as games, things being done simply for themselves, not for some ulterior motive." 

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