If you’re interested in this episode, you may also be interested in Martin’s extended interview with Malcolm Offord: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002n9d4

Martin and Laura talk about the significance of a row between Reform UK’s Scottish leader Malcolm Offord and Deacon Blue (pictured) over the meaning of the band's hit song Dignity.

And the BBC’s Kirsten Campbell explains how the Scottish Child Payment is in Conservative leader Russell Findlay’s sights as he urges restraint on benefits spending.

Scotcast is the BBC’s Scottish news podcast. This episode is hosted by Laura Miller and Martin Geissler.

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