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Could history itself be one of the greatest deceptions ever told? In this episode, Brandon and the team welcome back Joel Thomas  to unpack the rapidly growing "Little Season of Satan" theory. Together they examine its claims about Revelation 20, altered timelines, Tartaria, missing centuries, the Mandela Effect, and the belief that Christ's millennial reign has already occurred. Rather than simply dismissing the theory, Joel carefully traces its historical origins, theological foundations, and conspiracy overlaps while comparing them against Scripture, church history, and biblical context. The conversation ultimately challenges listeners to pursue discernment without losing sight of Christ, reminding believers that hope should always outweigh fear.

"If our search for hidden knowledge causes us to lose sight of Jesus, we've already lost the plot."

Forgiveness is one of the most necessary parts of the Christian life, but it is also one of the most misunderstood. In this episode, Brandon and Sandy sit down with Dr. Everett Worthington to talk about what forgiveness actually is, what it is not, and why reconciliation is something different altogether. Dr. Worthington shares the tragic story of his mother’s murder and how that moment forced him to live out the very forgiveness he had spent years studying and teaching. The conversation explores decisional forgiveness, emotional forgiveness, rumination, resentment, justice, boundaries, and what happens inside us when unforgiveness takes root. Dr. Worthington also walks through his REACH model and offers practical help for those who feel stuck in pain, anger, or grief. This is a powerful, honest, and hope-filled conversation for anyone wrestling with what it means to forgive without pretending the wound never happened.

Ev's Book https://a.co/d/01UMgKXo
Ev's Website -https://www.evworthington-forgiveness.com/

Timestamps

00:08 Forgiveness and reconciliation are not the same thing

00:28 Welcome to the Unrefined Podcast

00:51 Introducing Dr. Everett Worthington and the topic of forgiveness

03:13 Dr. Worthington’s early work studying forgiveness

05:36 The murder of Dr. Worthington’s mother

07:41 Wrestling with anger after tragedy

10:06 Realizing he had to face forgiveness personally

12:29 Forgiveness does not erase justice

14:56 Defining forgiveness through stress and coping

17:12 Understanding the injustice gap

19:37 Different biblical ways to respond to injustice

21:57 Decisional forgiveness and emotional forgiveness

24:17 Restraint, the brain, and choosing not to retaliate

26:41 The difference between forgiveness and reconciliation

29:00 Boundaries, toxic relationships, and reconciliation

30:22 What it means to love your enemy

32:50 The REACH model of forgiveness

35:12 Giving the gift of forgiveness

37:32 When hurt comes back after forgiving

39:51 Anger, fear, and the body’s protective response

42:14 Rumination and unforgiveness

44:35 Vengeance, grudge-holding, and gender differences

47:02 Decisional forgiveness, emotional forgiveness, and well-being

49:07 Matthew 6 and “forgive to be forgiven”

51:25 Forgiveness, salvation, and God’s judgment

53:51 A word for listeners carrying deep wounds

55:36 Practicing forgiveness over time

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What if your family patterns, addictions, fears, and trauma are not the final word? In this episode, Brandon and team talk with Dr. Luman Wing about epigenetics, transgenerational sin, addiction, sanctification, and how the gospel may reach even deeper into our embodied lives than most Christians have imagined.

https://amzn.to/3QR8z3H- Dr. Lu's book
https://lumanwing.org/

Timestamps:
01:00 Introducing Dr. Luman Wing and Genes of Eden

03:00 Lu’s encounter with the Jesus Movement and Lonnie Frisbee

05:00 Science, design, and Dean Kenyon’s classroom moment

07:00 Blood, biochemistry, biotechnology, and gene therapy

08:00 How theology and epigenetics came together

09:00 Epigenetics explained in plain English

12:00 Stress, fear, habits, prayer, and gene expression

13:00 Augustine, Pelagianism, and inherited sin

15:00 Adam, shame, fear, and the transgenerational imprint

17:00 Transformation, neuroplasticity, and becoming new creatures

19:00 Addiction, dopamine, anticipation, and “holy wanting”

21:00 Why Leviticus may be more scientific than we think

23:00 The peace offering, adrenal glands, stress, and surrender

25:00 Heart, mind, soul, brain, and the emotional response

27:00 The amygdala, hippocampus, and prefrontal cortex

31:00 Traducianism, the soul, and inherited human brokenness

34:00 Junk DNA, non-coding RNA, and the mystery of the soul

36:00 Being born again and the mystery of redemption

39:00 Does salvation change us epigenetically?

41:00 Romans 7, Romans 8, and progressive sanctification

44:00 The worm, the butterfly, and imaginal cells

46:00 Trauma, PTSD, the amygdala, and getting stuck in loops

48:00 Reason, revelation, Scripture, and renewing the mind

50:00 Stillness with God as a real mental workout

53:00 Exercise, swimming, bilateral movement, and healing patterns

54:00 Generational curses, inherited patterns, and epigenetics

55:00 Holocaust trauma and transgenerational imprinting

58:00 Forgiveness as a powerful interruptor of inherited trauma

01:00:00 Addiction, family patterns, and why DNA is not destiny

01:03:00 Trauma in family history and what may carry forward

01:05:00 Why there is no single “alcoholism gene”

01:07:00 Practically learning stillness, peace, and emotional regulation

01:09:00 Why Christian fellowship matters biologically and spiritually

01:10:00 Identity, becoming, and Dr. Wing’s next book

01:12:00 Potential, formation, consolidation, and identity

01:16:00 Leviticus, burnt offerings, and absolute surrender

01:18:00 Why science “screams” the glory of God

01:19:00 Lu’s personal testimony of trauma and God’s intervention

01:21:00 Hope for believers stuck in family patterns

Every once in a while, we revisit an older conversation and realize that it may be even more relevant today than when we first recorded it. That is exactly how I feel about this episode with Nathan Zieber, a pastor, former private investigator, and former investigator with MUFON Canada. Nathan has been called the “Paranormal Pastor” because of his willingness to enter communities that many Christians either fear, dismiss, or simply do not understand.

TIMESTAMPS

00:00 Rewinding a Conversation That Still Matters
02:00 How MUFON Investigates UFO Reports
05:00 From Bible School to Paranormal Investigation
08:00 Christians in Supernatural and Justice Communities
10:00 Why the Church Avoids Paranormal Conversations
11:00 Are Aliens Extraterrestrial or Interdimensional?
14:00 Developing a Heart for People on the Fringe
16:00 When UFO Culture Becomes a Religion
17:00 UFO Disclosure, UAPs, and Possible Smokescreens
21:00 Using UFO Conversations to Open Gospel Doors
24:00 Salvations Within the Paranormal Community
26:00 Why Spiritually Curious People Need Compassion
29:00 Discipleship, Patience, and Messy Transformation
31:00 UFOs, Eschatology, and the Last Days
33:00 CE5, Summoning UFOs, and False Saviors
36:00 Transhumanism, DNA, and the Mark of the Beast
39:00 Investigating a Mysterious Cattle Mutilation
43:00 Nathan’s Terrifying Shadow Encounter
45:00 The Name of Jesus and Alien Encounters
47:00 How Christians Can Minister on the Fringe
50:00 Jesus Was a Friend of Sinners
52:00 What It Means to Be Naturally Supernatural
53:00 Becoming a Church Made of Small Communities

Most people don’t realize how much of life is driven by what the heart has come to believe. Fear, anxiety, bitterness, peace, hope, and faith are not just passing emotions — they are often connected to deep stories we have accepted as reality.

In this episode, Brandon welcomes back Jennifer Johnson for a deeply honest and practical conversation about trading fear for faith. Jennifer shares the story of a devastating church situation that left her family with financial debt, relational loss, disappointment, and a future that looked nothing like what she had planned.

Website: JJohnsoncoach.com 
 
Timestamps:
03:12 — Fear, Faith, and Responding from Love
05:32 — The Church Crisis That Changed Everything
07:52 — Debt, Betrayal, and Hard Decisions
10:17 — Losing a Father Figure and a Church Family
12:36 — Forgiveness, Integrity, and Being Left Behind
14:57 — When Life Becomes Something You Didn’t Choose
17:19 — Why Spiritual Bypassing Can Hurt
19:41 — The Beliefs Beneath the Thoughts
21:59 — How Beliefs Begin Directing Behavior
24:20 — How to Stop the Pain and Heart Transformation
26:43 — Is Fear the Opposite of Faith?
29:11 — If You Can Fear, You Can Faith
31:22 — Trusting the Promise, Surrendering the Process
33:34 — The Cycle of Thought, Evidence, Emotion, and Belief
35:56 — Looking for Evidence of God’s Goodness
38:21 — Walking Through the Valley Without Fear
40:30 — God’s Discipline as Loving Course Correction
42:58 — Hope, Faith, and Choosing Where to Look
45:21 — Learning to Trust the One Who Catches You
47:47 — Faith Is Substance, Not Denial
50:09 — Practical Heart Meditation Begins
52:22 — Letting Jesus Lead the Heart
54:50 — Chosen Before the Foundation of the World
56:56 — Receiving a New Name
58:55 — Remembering You Are on His Team
01:00:56 — Choosing a New Inner Reality
01:03:07 — Faith Instead of Fear
01:04:27 — Simple, But Not Easy
01:05:10 — Jennifer’s Coaching and Meditation Mondays

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In this episode, Brandon, Lindsy and Heard welcome author and researcher Ryan Pitterson for a wild but Scripture-centered conversation on artificial intelligence, ancient rebellion, and the war over humanity.

Ryan is known for his work on the Nephilim, Genesis 6, biblical prophecy, and the supernatural worldview of Scripture. 

The conversation begins with Ryan sharing his story, from growing up in New York City and pursuing law and politics, to being awakened to Bible prophecy and eventually writing on the Nephilim. From there, the episode moves into Genesis, Revelation, AI, transhumanism, the image of the beast, the mark, Babel, and the danger of technology becoming a counterfeit discipler.

Ryan asserts that the Bible gives us patterns, and that what happened in the beginning often foreshadows what comes at the end. He connects the corruption of the image of God in Genesis 6 with modern attempts to redefine humanity through technology, artificial intelligence, genetic manipulation, and spiritual deception.

The episode gets practical. Brandon asks how believers should use AI without being discipled by it. Ryan talks about discernment, boundaries, and the difference between using AI as a tool and turning to it for guidance, identity, intimacy, or spiritual direction.

This is not a fear-based episode. It is a call to stay awake, stay grounded in Christ, walk in love, and recognize that the gospel is still the answer in a world racing toward counterfeit immortality, counterfeit wisdom, and counterfeit salvation.

Links to books:
Judgment of the Nephilim
 The Final Nephilim
 The Earth Before Adam

Timestamps:
00:00:51 Brandon introduces AI as a possible ancient pattern repeating
00:03:11 Ryan Pitterson shares his background and spiritual upbringing
00:05:33 How end-times ministry and Genesis 6 changed Ryan’s direction
00:07:54 The preparation for Christ and the preparation for Antichrist
00:10:24 Ryan introduces The Earth Before Adam and quantum repetition
00:12:36 Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 and the possibility of an ancient judgment
00:14:55 The Hebrew word hayah and the idea that the earth became void
00:17:17 Jeremiah 4 and Ryan’s case for a pre-Adamic judgment
00:19:39 Lucifer’s throne commerce and ancient civilization
00:22:02 AI as a repeat of ancient technology and spiritual rebellion
00:24:22 The image of the beast surveillance worship and compliance

Somewhere along the way, a beautiful invitation became a measuring stick. Quiet time became proof. Bible reading became a scorecard. Prayer became something we could almost use superstitiously, as if the right words at the right time could keep the day from falling apart.

In this episode, the Crew talks honestly about devotional life, Bible study, Christian meditation, seasons of life, ADHD, emotion, discipline, and the difference between communing with God and just checking the spiritual boxes. This isn’t a call to throw structure away. It’s a call to remember what the structure was for in the first place.

Because the Father isn’t after performers. He’s after sons and daughters.

Today on Unrefined, we’re talking about relationship over rules with Brandon Spain, Lindsy Waters, and Jen.

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Timestamps
00:00:52 Relationship not rules sets the framework

00:03:01 Lindsy shares the evolution of his devotional life

00:05:27 Jen talks about quiet time as a rule and family wounds shaping her view of God

00:07:53 Brandon shares his early church background and checklist Christianity

00:10:20 Devotions as divination and prayer as superstition

00:12:40 Quiet time history and the heart becoming central

00:14:50 When a useful tool becomes a measuring stick

00:16:50 Structure without encounter and why discipline still matters

00:19:12 Seasons of life and letting the Lord shape the rhythm

00:21:39 Maturity identity and communing with God inside us

00:24:01 God as Father and learning He is present

00:25:49 The ditch of doing whatever we want and calling it Spirit led

00:27:58 Reacting against legalism or reacting against looseness

00:30:15 Righteousness is not based on quiet time

00:32:34 Speaking with God instead of only speaking to God

00:35:00 Christian meditation presence ADHD and awareness of God

00:37:29 Devotionals Oswald Chambers Spurgeon and the book serving the relationship

00:39:56 Easy yoke BibleProject and meditation as rumination

00:42:17 Worry meditation emotions and getting promises into the heart

00:44:35 The subconscious the heart and effortless transformation

00:45:45 Christian meditation versus Eastern emptying

00:48:10 Jesus wept emotions and the fruit of the Spirit

00:50:30 Emotion as the catalyst for truth sinking in

00:52:41 Emotions as indicators not enemies

00:54:58 Psalms trauma the body and sharing secrets with God

00:57:16 Journaling talking to God and practical devotional practices

00:59:33 Bible study versus devotional reading

00:59:57 Study time communion and the Unseen Realm book club

01:02:25 Mountains high places liminal space and spiritual imagination

01:04:40 Intellectual study can still involve the heart

01:06:41 Different wiring theology and joy in study

01:09:03 ADHD repetition worship music and reading the Bible for yourself

01:11:19 Feeling again emotions and avoiding the opposite ditch

01:13:39 Application SOAP SOS and final encouragements

01:16:00 Unrefined Life Group announcement

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What do you do with stories of people seeing their own double? Is it folklore? Brain malfunction? Astral projection? A demonic imitation? A flesh-and-blood mystery? Or something stranger that does not fit neatly into our modern categories?

In this episode rewind, Brandon Spain and Lindsy Waters explore the strange phenomenon of doppelgangers, also known as “double walkers.” The conversation moves through folklore, famous cases, biblical passages, cryptid encounters, scientism, spiritual laws, and the unsettling human ability to recognize when something looks almost human but not quite.

The episode begins with the German meaning of doppelganger as “double goer” or “double walker,” then moves into historical and cultural examples like the Irish fetch, changeling stories, Abraham Lincoln, Catherine the Great, Percy Shelley, John Donne, Goethe, and the mysterious case of Pauline Picard. Brandon and Lindsy also look at the famous Emily Sage case, where an entire classroom reportedly saw a teacher’s double.

The conversation also takes a biblical turn with Peter’s “angel” in Acts, the disciples thinking Jesus on the water was a ghost, and the larger question of whether Jewish thought had categories for spirit doubles or familiar beings. From there, the guys explore autoscopy, heutoscopy, sleep paralysis, astral projection, DMT, cryptids that mimic human voices, and the limits of purely material explanations.

This is not a neat and tidy answer episode. It’s an Unrefined conversation about mystery, discernment, supernatural reality, and why Christians should be careful not to reduce every strange thing to either “just science” or “just demons.”

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Timestamps:
00:00:06 Opening hook about fake humans and real humans

00:00:28 Brandon introduces the episode

00:00:53 Brandon and Lindsy introduce doppelgangers and doubles

00:01:45 The meaning of doppelganger as double goer or double walker

00:03:07 Looking at the topic through science and the supernatural

00:05:31 Clones and God-breathed spirit questions

00:07:58 Changelings, twins, impostors, and switched identities

00:10:27 The uncanny valley and why the brain notices false humanity

00:11:00 Emily Sage and the classroom that reportedly saw her double

00:12:47 Astral projection possibilities and gray areas Christians avoid

00:15:09 Pauline Picard and the Brittany mystery

00:17:19 The found girl in Cherbourg who did not recognize her family

00:19:26 The family, neighbors, and confession angle

00:20:57 Flesh-and-blood double versus apparition

00:23:20 Cultural and biblical categories for doubles

00:25:46 Peter’s angel, ghosts, cryptids, and imitation

00:28:14 Pursuing truth without forcing every case into one box

00:28:56 Autoscopy, heutoscopy, and seeing oneself

00:30:40 Brain tumors, perception, and possible supernatural overlap

00:31:54 Astral projection, meditation, psychotropics, and spiritual danger

00:34:20 Abraham Lincoln’s double and Mary Todd Lincoln’s interpretation

00:37:32 Fear of the supernatural and angelic encounters

00:39:52 Catherine the Great and the double on the throne

00:42:17 Spiritual laws, secondary causes, and the science of the spirit

00:43:23 Historical doppelganger accounts including John Donne and Goethe

00:45:33 Vardøger, déjà vu, time, and alternate reality questions

00:47:32 Percy Shelley’s disturbing double

00:49:40 Sleep paralysis, shadow figures, and doppelganger speculation

In this collab between Unrefined, Reformed Fringe and Biblical Re-enchantment, Brandon sits down with Anthony Delgado and Doug Van Dorn to move past the basic question of whether giants existed and into the bigger theological issue: why does Scripture keep bringing them up? The conversation traces Nephilim, Rephaim, Genesis 3:15, the seed war, blood, atonement, territorial powers, Mount Hermon, Ezekiel 28, empire, tyranny, and why every strange thread still has to lead us back to Christ.

Timestamps:
00:03:10 Why studying giants matters biblically

00:03:37 Anthony on being honest with strange biblical texts

00:05:21 Giants in the story from Genesis to Revelation

00:07:35 Doug on Andre the Giant, Nephilim bloodlines, and salvation

00:09:48 Are Nephilim always evil and could David’s mighty men be connected

00:12:11 Saul, Jonathan, giant language, and demonization

00:14:28 Giants, blood, atonement, and modern theological drift

00:16:25 Genesis 3:15, the seed war, and why giants matter

00:18:24 Human blood, the Messiah, and genetic corruption

00:20:16 Anthony on Leviticus, atonement, and progressive revelation

00:22:38 A form of godliness while denying the supernatural power of the text

00:24:57 The image of God, spiritual corruption, and materialist hermeneutics

00:27:02 Doug on evangelical materialism and supernatural Scripture

00:29:22 Why giants cannot become the endpoint of interpretation

00:31:42 First Enoch, bloodshed, and sons of false gods

00:34:08 Messianic expectation and the blood of Jesus

00:36:34 Reading Enoch, Jubilees, and Scripture through Messiah

00:38:56 Deuteronomy 32 and ancient textual disagreements

00:41:17 Eschatology, demons, and the days of Noah

00:43:39 Giants, Revelation, and end-times speculation

00:46:02 Reading giants symbolically without losing history

00:48:26 Tyranny, beast imagery, empires, and Revelation

00:50:20 Antichrist, counterfeit sons of God, and inverted worship

00:52:44 So above so below and the counterfeit pattern

00:55:05 Geography, territory, Mount Hermon, and giant locations

00:57:00 Poseidon, Atlantis, Tyre, Hercules, and territorial gods

00:59:25 Satan, the king of Tyre, and Ezekiel 28

01:01:49 Princes, beast imagery, and rulers as images of powers

01:04:07 Baal, Zeus, Alexander, and storm god syncretism

01:06:16 The Angel of the Lord, Yahweh’s inheritance, and the Son

01:08:32 Doug’s final thoughts on putting giants into systematic theology

01:10:43 Spiritual warfare, Ephesians 6, and word-and-spirit theology

01:13:03 Anthony on tyranny, empire, and misplaced hope in rulers

01:15:30 Systems of tyranny, media, corporations, and education

01:17:50 Christian nationalism, political spirits, and final reflections

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In this sponsors-only conversation, Brandon, Lindsy, and Jen slow down one of the most expected but least explained parts of the Christian life: hearing God. They talk through fear, Scripture, the Holy Spirit, peace, imagination, journaling, breathing, emotional honesty, and how to recognize God’s voice without drifting into weirdness or reducing the relationship to a checklist.

Timestamps:
00:00:48 Brandon introduces the topic of hearing God
00:02:15 Why believers are expected to hear God but rarely taught how
00:03:17 Lindsy shares his early tension around cessationism and charismatic caution
00:05:35 Why Scripture alone without relationship can feel like letters without conversation
00:07:52 Fear as one of the main reasons people resist hearing God
00:08:38 Jen reads John 10 and wrestles with the phrase my sheep hear my voice