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An ancient site older than history itself flips the script on everything we thought we knew about human origins, religion, and the unseen world. Brandon and Lindsy dig into the strange reality of massive stone structures that shouldn’t exist in the so-called Stone Age—carvings that hint at Watchers, sacred rituals, and even a hidden language lost to time. From ancestor worship and moon-gods to the shocking possibility that humanity’s first couple was deified in stone, this conversation uncovers connections that challenge archaeology, theology, and the very foundations of civilization.  Sure, this guest has been interviewed before—but never like this!

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Timestamps

00:06 Divine nature and cosmology
 03:16 Early assumptions about Gobekli Tepe
 05:42 Agriculture vs. ritual first
 08:08 Pre-agriculture abundance
 10:33 Was the site deliberately buried?
 12:47 Animal guardians and supernatural ties
 14:50 Connections to Watchers and cherubim
 17:17 Symbols, logograms, and proto-writing
 19:45 Luwian language theory
 24:28 Re-dating Gobekli Tepe to Bronze Age?
 26:48 Parallel cultures and locked technologies
 28:55 Explosion of civilization after the flood
 31:17 Natural resources vs. stones as religion
 33:41 Ancestor worship and sacred spaces
 36:07 Deified Adam and Eve imagery
 38:30 Fox pelt loincloths and Genesis echoes
 40:51 Council-like sacred rituals
 43:03 Skull fragments and burial practices
 45:20 Regeneration, vultures, and fertility
 47:43 Nimrod, Babel, and divine intervention
 50:05 What’s next in Aaron’s research
 52:23 Moon-god worship and biblical connections
 54:41 The wilderness of Sin
 56:57 Stones, ancestors, and biblical prohibitions
 59:23 Where to find Aaron’s work
 01:01:44 Patreon and Ancient Pathways resources
 01:04:07 Future hope for Gobekli Tepe research

Something old is hiding in the text—older than creeds, louder than tradition, and it doesn’t like the light. Our returning guest slips us a trail of clues through Genesis 6, Psalm 82, and Deuteronomy 32, pointing to quiet edits, missing words, and a council in the shadows. If those changes are real, they don’t just touch giants—they press on the very name “Son of God.” The story widens: rabbis, translators, and empires trying to hush a supernatural thread that keeps resurfacing. And for reasons that feel uncomfortably current, that thread pulls on politics, bloodlines, and the way nations are discipled. We don’t exactly solve the mystery—but we hand you some compelling evidence with a map.

Timestamps

 00:57 Brandon’s wrestling-style intro 
 02:10 Why he wrote his new paper
 03:17 Pushback against the Nephilim worldview
 05:33 How rabbis altered texts in the 2nd century
 07:56 Augustine and Chrysostom’s naturalistic shift
 10:21 Two Powers in Heaven and early Jewish thought
 12:41 Jesus quoting Psalm 82 and its implications
 15:00 Masoretic vs Septuagint vs Dead Sea Scrolls
 17:21 Deliberate changes in Deuteronomy 32 and Psalm 82
 19:43 New Greek translations to counter the Septuagint
 22:10 Early church fathers’ awareness of text changes
 24:30 Speculation about anti-supernatural agendas
 26:56 Islam, henotheism, and Gnostic influence
 29:15 Jewish fables, genealogies, and textual variants
 31:44 Melchizedek, Shem, and genealogy manipulation
 34:04 Psalm 110 and begotten-before-the-dawn language
 36:32 Connections to Hebrews and Jesus as Melchizedek
 38:51 Why the Nephilim worldview faces modern resistance
 41:09 Tradition vs biblical interpretation in Reformed circles
 43:27 Augustine’s overwhelming influence
 45:32 Quickfire speculative questions for Doug
 47:57 Demythologizing scripture and politics
 50:23 Dispensationalism, Zionism, and modern Israel
 52:32 A biblical chiasm of 1–12–70–nations
 54:50 Paul before the Sanhedrin and watcher parallels
 57:15 Great Commission as discipling nations
 59:40 Two Israels, replacement theology debates

Ever wonder what the future of the church might look like if we tapped into its wild, earthy, and Spirit-filled roots? In this episode, your host Brandon Spain along with Matthew McGuire welcome back author Michael Mitton to explore the wisdom of Celtic Christianity. From sacred landscapes and supernatural encounters to rhythms of prayer, humility, and community, the conversation weaves together theology, history, and the supernatural. They dive into topics like sacred spaces, healing the land, women in ministry, charismatic gifts, and the role of humility in miracles. This one blends ancient faith with modern hunger for authenticity and renewal—and might just give us a glimpse of John 17 lived out.

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Timestamps:

 02:47 Roots of Celtic Christianity
 05:12 Physical prayer and worship
 07:30 Earthy everyday spirituality
 09:49 Protestant hesitation with Catholic practices
 12:11 Charismatic adoption of contemplative practices
 14:33 Weaving the strands of faith
 16:57 Sacred spaces and healing the land
 19:17 Contaminated land and cleansing stories
 21:38 Creation, nature, and avoiding new age distortions
 24:05 Celtic vs Roman view of human nature
 26:27 Patrick vs Augustine’s confessions
 28:53 Eastern and desert influences
 31:09 Solitude and community rhythm
 32:43 Anam Cara and soul friendship
 35:09 Spiritual direction and confession
 37:28 Green and white martyrdom
 39:51 Missionary adventure and divine restlessness
 42:05 Woven cord and Trinity emphasis
 44:28 Michael’s novel and magical realism
 45:40 Women in ministry in Celtic Christianity
 48:03 Brigid’s story and authority
 50:27 Charismatic gifts and humility
 52:50 Holiness and humility as prerequisites for miracles
 55:13 Eastern vs Western church architecture
 57:31 Favorite Celtic saints
 59:55 Future of the church

What happens when a chaos magician encounters the living God? In this raw and unforgettable episode, Cole Harrison recounts his wild descent into psychedelic rituals, demonic possession, and occult deception — and the divine rescue that changed everything. From tripping in a basement drum circle to crying out to God in the Oregon wilderness, Cole’s story is a supernatural rollercoaster of redemption. Now, he’s flipping the script, ministering to the same crowd he once ran with — using music, tea, and the presence of Jesus in the middle of psychedelic festivals. It’s gritty, honest, and lit with the fire of the Holy Spirit.

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Guest Contact Info – Cole Harrison

• Ministry Name: The Magical Ducklings
• Email: [email protected]
• YouTube: The Magical Ducklings on YouTube (new music and surround sound experiences shared here)

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Timestamps
00:06 Demonic encounter and heavenly intervention
 00:28 Introducing Cole Harrison
 02:44 Childhood spirituality and early artistic family background
 05:06 Drawn to the occult and discovery of witchcraft books
 07:27 Early black magic practices and spiritual fractures
 09:51 Arrest, rituals, and descent into chaos magic
 12:13 Drum-based spirit manipulation and psychedelic influence
 14:40 Traveling, manipulation magic, and Castaneda-inspired sorcery
 17:03 Introduction of sinister teacher and basement rituals
 19:32 Possession experiences during chaos drumming
 21:53 Demonic manifestations and internal torment
 24:16 Connection to Process Church similarities
 26:30 The complexity of electronic music and tripping
 28:55 Turning point in the woods, divine encounter
 31:16 Realization of deception at Grateful Dead concert
 33:40 Demon voices, self-harm, and deliverance in the woods
 36:01 Spiritual breakthrough and divine rescue
 38:15 Journey to Rainbow Gathering and continued torment
 40:36 Encounter with the Bread of Life kitchen and Jesus
 42:53 Full surrender, first Bible reading, and confirmation
 45:12 First deliverance experience in Dallas
 47:32 Filled with the Holy Spirit and slain in the spirit
 49:52 Ministry at Bonnaroo and psychedelic outreach
 52:10 Redeeming psychedelic culture through creative ministry
 54:22 What New Agers get right and wrong
 56:43 Reflections on theology, childhood, and spiritual fatherhood
 59:05 Psychedelics, mind control, and Laurel Canyon
 01:01:31 Supernatural love and genuine community in evangelism
 01:04:20 Media mind control and spiritual warfare
 01:06:44 Advice for those called to reach the fringes
 01:09:07 Embracing weirdness and creativity in ministry
 01:11:29 Where to find Cole’s music and final encouragement

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Ever wondered what happens when a neuroscientist follows the data and ends up finding God? This week, we sit down with Dr. Trevor Lohman, author of God’s Eye View, to explore the wild intersection of neuroscience, quantum physics, and biblical faith. From the double-slit experiment to the mystery of consciousness, Trevor walks us through how science isn't just compatible with belief in God—it might actually demand it. We also touch on microtubules, frequencies, and a future episode on the Shroud of Turin!

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Timestamps

00:09 Worldview, science, and truth
 01:08 Introducing Dr. Trevor Lohman
 02:51 Tesla, science conspiracies, and shadow history
 05:10 Growing up in scientism culture
 07:30 Shattered worldview and rise of skepticism
 09:56 Discovering the political and financial layers of science
 12:17 Personal background and corruption in healthcare
 14:39 Philosophy, quantum physics, and shifting perceptions
 16:56 Defining consciousness and free will
 19:16 Mind vs brain: is there a driver in the car?
 21:37 Observer effect and the self
 24:03 Supernatural interpretations of hallucinations
 26:22 Jesus, science, and the power of belief
 28:43 Science as method vs worldview
 31:07 Quantum physics and New Testament parallels
 33:07 Christians vs New Age belief in benevolence
 35:24 Encountering the gospel as an adult scientist
 37:48 The double-slit experiment explained
 42:32 Light as wave vs particle
 44:56 Consciousness collapses reality
 47:07 Simulation theory and rendering reality
 50:27 Co-creation and observation
 50:54 Entanglement and faster-than-light communication
 53:18 Special relativity and breaking it with entanglement
 55:37 Consciousness transmission vs production theories
 57:55 Microtubules as antennas of the soul
 01:00:20 Sleep, prayer, psychedelics, and consciousness
 01:02:26 Frequency, science, and spiritual overlap
 01:04:44 New age vs science: where's the line?
 01:07:01 Real definitions of frequency
 01:09:26 Psychedelics, dreams, and microtubules
 01:11:46 Radio waves, spiritual realms, and spectrum limits
 01:14:11 Frequency medicine and Alzheimer’s
 01:16:38 Why frequency-based health is underfunded
 01:19:01 Shifting focus to the soul and spiritual formation
 01:21:23 Shroud of Turin as scientific mystery
 01:23:48 Evidence for the shroud's authenticity
 01:26:13 Light, resurrection, and conception
 01:27:30 Future topics: AI, consciousness, and shroud
 01:27:56 Outro and contact info

This conversation gets Holy Spirit wild!  We toss the religious rule book aside and step straight into the deep end of supernatural encounters—exploring altered states of consciousness in the Bible, Old Testament prophets who acted in ways that would shock most church folks today, and how these experiences can’t be judged by outward appearance alone with returning guest Dr. Merrill Greene, author of Drunk in the Spirit.  Merrill unpacks both the scholarship and the strangeness, tying ecstatic experiences to solid biblical precedent, while Brandon shares some wild personal stories (including one about Sandy getting “glued” to the floor). From Saul’s prophetic nakedness to modern misunderstandings like “Kundalini” accusations, this episode pushes past fear, control, and skepticism to ask—what if God is stranger than we think, and closer than we realize?

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Timestamps
00:08 Saul’s example and modern parallels
00:27 Intro to the episode
01:00 Holy Spirit wild and Dr. Merrill Greene returns
02:50 From cessationist to charismatic
05:13 Brandon’s and Sandy’s personal encounters
07:35 Power of lived experience over doctrine
09:55 Old Testament altered states examples
12:16 Misunderstanding altered states in the West
14:26 Academic hesitation toward supernatural topics
16:41 Biblical illiteracy and ignoring the weird parts
19:03 Letting go of control for God’s purposes
21:17 Practicing and maturing in spiritual gifts
23:36 Signs that make you wonder
26:00 Ephesians 5:18 and spiritual intoxication
28:16 Tongues under the prophetic ecstasy umbrella
30:41 Biblical and extra-biblical perspectives
33:07 Archaeology, incense, and hallucinogenics
35:28 Strange fire and God’s terms for communication
37:50 Lonnie Frisbee and encountering Jesus despite drugs
39:55 Future revival and manifestations
42:25 Kundalini accusations and discernment of spirits
44:47 Mislabeling spirits and Catholic demonology
47:35 Closing and where to find Dr. Merrill Greene

Ever wondered if remote viewing is just government psy-op weirdness, or WHAT!? In this episode, we welcome back Matthew McGuire—biblical scholar turned parapsychology researcher—to help us sort through the controversy. We explore remote viewing from its scientific roots in the Rhine Research Center and military intelligence units, to its surprising parallels with Christian spiritual gifts like prophecy and words of knowledge. From biblical examples to Watchman Nee’s take on the latent power of the soul, this one hits every angle: theology, science, history, and controversy. Whether you're curious, skeptical, or already peeking through the veil, this episode is an eye-opener.

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📚 Books & Authors Mentioned

• "The Gift: ESP, the Extraordinary Experiences of Ordinary People"
  📖 Author: Sally Rhine Feather (daughter of J.B. Rhine)
  Overview of ESP phenomena and historical studies.
• "The Sense of Being Stared At"
  📖 Author: Rupert Sheldrake
  Experiments on telepathy, animal behavior, and intuition.
• "Irreducible Mind"
  📖 Authors: Edward Kelly et al.
  Massive academic compendium of empirical ESP research from the University of Virginia.
• "Reading the Enemy’s Mind"
  📖 Author: Paul H. Smith
  In-depth history of the U.S. military's remote viewing program.
• "The Essential Guide to Remote Viewing"
  📖 Author: Paul H. Smith
  Practical instruction and philosophy of remote viewing.
• "Remote Viewing Secrets"
  📖 Author: Joe McMoneagle
  Techniques and experiences from one of the top military remote viewers.
• "Phenomena: The Secret History of the U.S. Government's Investigations into Extrasensory Perception and Psychokinesis"
  📖 Author: Annie Jacobsen
  Journalistic overview of government-funded psychic research.
• Watchman Nee – "The Latent Power of the Soul"
  Discussed for its theological warning against reactivating pre-fall soul powers.
• "Drunk in the Spirit"  Paper back and Kindle version
•  Brand-new book on trance and ecstasy in the Bible; referenced for biblical context on altered states

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Timestamps:

00:06 Navigating the tension of faith and caution
 01:59 What is remote viewing?
 02:44 History of parapsychology and its Christian overlaps
 04:48 Empirical evidence and scientific classification
 05:47 Defining remote viewing from a parapsychology lens
 07:26 Comparing charismatic gifts and psychic ability
 09:49 Matt’s personal research journey and resources
 12:08 Mechanics of remote viewing vs. spiritual gifts
 14:30 Signal, noise, and analytical overlay
 16:50 Prophetic missteps and community interpretation
 19:15 Biblical school of prophets and sanctification
 21:37 Watchman Nee and latent power of the soul
 24:04 Soul powers pre-fall and spiritual caution
 26:29 Trauma, programming, and remote viewing triggers
 28:45 Evangelical fear vs. divine sovereignty
 31:08 Divination in Scripture and biblical nuance
 33:30 The role of intention in discerning practices
 35:43 Trance, ecstasy, and biblical precedent
 38:04 Response to critiques and misinformation
 40:31 The matrix vs. spirit guides in RV
 42:54 Spiritual gifts vs. trained psychic ability
 45:10 Elisha, the king's bedroom, and biblical examples
 47:31 Warning against ego-driven pursuit of power
 49:50 Brandon’s 3-part Jesus model: gifts, character, discipleship
 50:58 Sensory deprivation and altered states
 53:22 Worship, water, and spiritual receptivity
 55:36 Practical resources to learn about RV
 58:02 Upcoming classes and Christian saints in parapsychology
 59:55 Final thoughts and where to find Matt online

#4 of Series: Something Deeper This Way Comes-

In this jam-packed episode, Brandon and Lindsy welcome Dana of Rotting Jewels for a wild ride through some of the darkest corners of cult history, counterculture, and covert influence. From the shadowy origins of the Process Church to links with the Manson family, Sons of Sam, Scientology, and MKUltra, Dana pulls back the curtain on networks most folks don’t even know exist. They discuss infiltration into churches, animal rights fronts, and even Hollywood. With mafia connections, occult rituals, psychological warfare, and government psyops all woven in—this one’s got everything but the kitchen sink. Good luck sleeping tonight.

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Timestamps:
00:09 Cults, psyops, and tangled truths
 02:32 How Dana got into studying the Process Church
 04:49 Ed Sanders’ early work and importance
 07:10 Scientology’s violent policies and Michael Carr
 09:31 Game of the Gods and cult indoctrination
 11:03 How secrecy works in ritual networks
 13:22 NYPD investigator stories and ritual crimes
 15:36 Serial killers, mind control, and network overlap
 17:44 John Douglas, behavioral profiling, and coverups
 20:04 Snuff films, pornography, and organized crime
 22:19 Cult funding, real estate, and government psyops
 24:45 Naval intelligence, Scientology, and spook connections
 26:58 MKUltra, psychedelics, and John Potash’s research
 29:14 Dana’s personal backlash from Scientology
 31:32 Origins and myths of the Process Church
 33:33 Legal documents, missionary cover, and Mexico exile
 35:51 Transition to the Foundation Faith and prison infiltration
 38:00 Satanic Temple and process theology overlap
 40:18 Netflix’s Sons of Sam and documentary distortion
42:43 Franco’s The Deuce and sanitized narratives
44:58 Evolution of the Process into "faith healing" movements
47:18 High-level infiltration and transhumanist goals
49:38 Sirhan Sirhan, Blavatsky Foundation, and media cover
52:01 Jolly West, MKUltra labs, and blackmail operations
54:18 Haight-Ashbury Clinic and human trafficking
56:32 Children of God and New York AG’s findings
58:44 Jonestown, tax exemption, and deprogramming psyops
01:00:58 Best Friends Animal Society and Utah compound
01:03:15 Temple activity, power usage, and secret research
01:05:35 German Shepherd symbolism and Nazi ideology
01:07:47 Nazi ideology and Scientology’s dark beliefs
01:09:59 Mafia connections, drugs, and Manson links
01:12:27 Propaganda documentaries and buried clues
01:14:49 Berkowitz's silence, longnecks, and prison threats
01:17:01 Mafia spiritual figures and recent Berkowitz interview
01:19:30 New Netflix documentary and future crime pinning
01:20:53 Role of motorcycle gangs in cult operations
01:21:52 Why bikers were ideal tools for ritual work
01:23:01 Rapid-fire Q&A with Dana
01:24:12 Michael Thevis and mafia-porn connections
01:26:20 Final thanks and how to follow Dana

#3 of Series: Something Deeper This Way Comes-

Ever wondered what redemption looks like for a serial killer? This episode’s going to challenge everything you think you know about good, evil, and the reach of God’s mercy. Brandon, Lindsy, and co-host Jen Parks unravel the story of David Berkowitz—yes, the Son of Sam—and his journey from demonic chaos to radical transformation. They explore the trauma, lies, and spiritual strongholds that shaped his life, and how Jesus met him in a prison cell. From cult involvement and MKUltra theories to deep emotional healing and true crime rabbit holes, this one goes there. What if the worst of the worst can be redeemed?

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Timestamps:
00:56 Redemption or jailhouse con?
02:45 Jen's obsession with true crime
04:58 John Douglas, Mindhunter, and SRA doubt
07:12 Ritual abuse denial and its consequences
09:37 Berkowitz’s testimony and Jen’s skepticism
11:59 Monster Mirror and shared humanity
14:25 Process Church connections and spiritual warfare
16:42 Identity, shame, and God's long game
19:01 Jailhouse salvation myths busted
21:25 Early trauma and emotional abandonment
23:47 Adoption trauma and never feeling at home
26:08 Push-pull love and attachment issues
28:25 Shame, guilt, and performance Christianity
30:48 Firestarting, self-harm, and brain trauma
33:14 How the Process Church love-bombed him
35:30 Programmed to kill and lone shooter myths
37:54 Samhain, occult cryptids, and symbolism
40:17 MKUltra, authors, and childhood disillusionment
42:46 The quiet moment of salvation in a prison cell
45:07 Redemption fruit and prison ministry
47:33 Identity lies, Genesis truth, and the orphan spirit
49:55 Losing your individuality in cults
52:09 Dying to self vs. killing your uniqueness
54:36 Enemy’s playbook and emotional triggers
56:59 Why media ignores Berkowitz’s redemption
59:17 A letter-writing ministry to the lost
01:01:39 Caparelli’s interviews and final confession
01:04:02 Final thoughts on spiritual cover-ups
01:06:22 Message of hope: no one is too far gone