Untangled

By Abhijit Verekar

State and local governments provide vital services to their citizens and keep them safe. They are also one of the largest employers in the country. They employ about 14 million people in the US, no

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The podcast currently has 142 episodes available.

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July 10, 2025GFOA 2025: What Public Finance Leaders Are Really Talking About
Live from the GFOA 2025 conference, Avero Advisors recaps the real-world challenges, surprising confessions, and hard-earned lessons shared by finance leaders from across the country. In this special episode, AV and team break down the biggest themes heard on the floor: from outdated RFPs and missed reporting requirements to contract missteps and go-live confusion.
You’ll hear:
What’s going wrong in ERP projects (straight from our confessional wall)
How to rethink your RFP process to actually get bidders
Why contract negotiation isn’t just legal fine print—it’s leverage
Tips for avoiding post-go-live regret
What public sector leaders want from tech in 2025
Whether you’re launching a new transformation or mid-flight on implementation, this episode is packed with candid insights to keep your project on track.
📅 Let’s Stay Connected:
Hit subscribe so you don’t miss our latest episode. We also go live weekly with more industry insights, so be sure to join us! And if you’ve got questions, drop them in the comments—we’re here to help!

Government IT Modernization and ERP Strategies for 2025: A Comprehensive Guide for Public Sector Transformation
➡ https://conference.averoadvisors.com/2025report

Top Public Sector ERP Systems: :
➡ https://share.hsforms.com/1ee49ru4aSpe3x4Byzuqifgeexml

Learn More About Avero:
➡ https://www.averoadvisors.com

Connect With Us:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/averoadvisors
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/averoadvisors
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/averoadvisors
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@averoadvisors

Connect With AV:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/verekar

(865) 415-3848 | [email protected]

©2024. Avero Advisors. All Rights Reserved.
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31min
July 03, 2025Public Good, Private Code: AI Ethics in Local Government
AI in government isn’t just about automation—it’s about ethics, accountability, and public trust.
In this episode of Untangled, we sit down with Tom Gilbert, CEO of Hortise.AI and one of the world’s first PhDs in AI Ethics, to explore the very real consequences of putting artificial intelligence to work in the public sector. From invisible bias in automated tools to the danger of vendor lock-in, we examine why values like transparency, explainability, and civic oversight matter more than ever.
We discuss:
What it means to build AI for the public good
How public agencies can avoid snake oil and prioritize real outcomes
The need for a new “digestive system” for AI products—one built on trust and documentation
Why the real ethical questions aren’t about machines, but about systems
If you’re in local government, civic tech, or just curious about the human impact of emerging technologies, this one’s for you.
🎧 Listen in and join the conversation on how to shape AI’s role in our shared future.
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📅 Let’s Stay Connected:
Hit subscribe so you don’t miss our latest episode. We also go live weekly with more industry insights, so be sure to join us! And if you’ve got questions, drop them in the comments—we’re here to help!

Government IT Modernization and ERP Strategies for 2025: A Comprehensive Guide for Public Sector Transformation
➡ https://conference.averoadvisors.com/2025report

Top Public Sector ERP Systems: :
➡ https://share.hsforms.com/1ee49ru4aSpe3x4Byzuqifgeexml

Learn More About Avero:
➡ https://www.averoadvisors.com

Connect With Us:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/averoadvisors
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/averoadvisors
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/averoadvisors
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@averoadvisors

Connect With AV:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/verekar

(865) 415-3848 | [email protected]

©2024. Avero Advisors. All Rights Reserved.
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56min
June 26, 2025Beyond the Bid: What the UK’s £144M ERP Deal Teaches Us About Transformation
When the UK government awarded a £144 million contract to Workday and Cognizant, it wasn’t just about technology—it was a masterclass in scale, procurement efficiency, and what it takes to modernize across multiple agencies.
In this episode of Untangled, Avero Advisors CEO Abhijit Verekar (AV) breaks down one of the largest ERP initiatives in UK public sector history—what it means for global GovTech, and what U.S. leaders can learn from their approach.
AV explores:
How the UK leveraged G-Cloud to simplify procurement
Why standardization still requires flexible architecture
The hidden risks of legacy system integration
What success really means in a 10-year SaaS contract
The irreplaceable role of change management and user adoption
Whether you're navigating procurement, prepping for go-live, or rethinking your data strategy—this conversation will help you reframe ERP not as a software decision, but as a people-first transformation strategy.
📅 Let’s Stay Connected:
Hit subscribe so you don’t miss our latest episode. We also go live weekly with more industry insights, so be sure to join us! And if you’ve got questions, drop them in the comments—we’re here to help!

Government IT Modernization and ERP Strategies for 2025: A Comprehensive Guide for Public Sector Transformation
➡ https://conference.averoadvisors.com/2025report

Top Public Sector ERP Systems: :
➡ https://share.hsforms.com/1ee49ru4aSpe3x4Byzuqifgeexml

Learn More About Avero:
➡ https://www.averoadvisors.com

Connect With Us:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/averoadvisors
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/averoadvisors
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/averoadvisors
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@averoadvisors

Connect With AV:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/verekar

(865) 415-3848 | [email protected]

©2024. Avero Advisors. All Rights Reserved.
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23min
June 19, 2025Flight Plan for ERP: Lessons in Leadership, Checklists, and Control
What do ERP transformations and flying a plane have in common? More than you'd think.
In this unique episode of Untangled, Avero CEO Abhijit Verekar (AV) is joined by Associate Consultant and pilot-in-training Isaac to explore the surprising parallels between aviation and public sector ERP implementation.
From pre-flight prep to landing protocols, AV and Isaac walk through the critical phases of digital transformation using the cockpit as a metaphor. They discuss why readiness assessments matter, how to avoid autopilot leadership, what communication clarity really means, and how to handle turbulence—whether in the air or in an ERP project.
🛫 Topics covered include:
The importance of a strong governance “flight crew”
Why project checklists can’t replace situational awareness
Leadership’s role in steering—not coasting—through change
What makes for a smooth “landing” (aka go-live)
If you’re involved in planning, leading, or surviving an ERP project in local government, this is a must-listen packed with metaphors, practical advice, and a touch of pilot humor.
🎙️ Listen now and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.
📅 Let’s Stay Connected:
Hit subscribe so you don’t miss our latest episode. We also go live weekly with more industry insights, so be sure to join us! And if you’ve got questions, drop them in the comments—we’re here to help!

Government IT Modernization and ERP Strategies for 2025: A Comprehensive Guide for Public Sector Transformation
➡ https://conference.averoadvisors.com/2025report

Top Public Sector ERP Systems: :
➡ https://share.hsforms.com/1ee49ru4aSpe3x4Byzuqifgeexml

Learn More About Avero:
➡ https://www.averoadvisors.com

Connect With Us:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/averoadvisors
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/averoadvisors
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/averoadvisors
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@averoadvisors

Connect With AV:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/verekar

(865) 415-3848 | [email protected]

©2024. Avero Advisors. All Rights Reserved.
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49min
June 12, 2025 GovTech Unfiltered: Live Q&A with Abhijit Verekar
In this candid live session, Avero Advisors CEO Abhijit Verekar pulls back the curtain on the realities of public sector transformation. From vaporware promises in ERP demos to project red flags leadership often misses, this Q&A tackles the real questions local government leaders are asking—but don’t always get straight answers to.
AV breaks down vendor myths, how to push back without burning bridges, the human cost of poor change management, and why in-person trust still matters in a post-Zoom world. Whether you're planning an RFP, navigating implementation chaos, or just trying to define what success actually looks like—this episode is a must-listen.
🔍 Honest answers. No fluff. Just real-world lessons from the trenches of GovTech.
📅 Let’s Stay Connected:
Hit subscribe so you don’t miss our latest episode. We also go live weekly with more industry insights, so be sure to join us! And if you’ve got questions, drop them in the comments—we’re here to help!

Government IT Modernization and ERP Strategies for 2025: A Comprehensive Guide for Public Sector Transformation
➡ https://conference.averoadvisors.com/2025report

Top Public Sector ERP Systems: :
➡ https://share.hsforms.com/1ee49ru4aSpe3x4Byzuqifgeexml

Learn More About Avero:
➡ https://www.averoadvisors.com

Connect With Us:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/averoadvisors
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/averoadvisors
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/averoadvisors
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@averoadvisors

Connect With AV:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/verekar

(865) 415-3848 | [email protected]

©2024. Avero Advisors. All Rights Reserved.
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49min
May 29, 2025 Retaining Trust & Fueling Growth – The New Era of Government Client Success
What does real partnership look like in government modernization?
In this episode of Untangled, Avero’s VP of Client Success, Robert Kornovich, joins Megan Seaton to unpack what it takes to build lasting, trust-based relationships between public agencies and their vendors.
From defining success beyond buzzwords like “ERP,” to navigating the politics behind transformation, Robert shares stories from the frontlines of public sector consulting—including one where a mayor handed him $3M and a single goal: make public safety feel different.
You’ll hear:
✅ The hidden red flags in vendor relationships
✅ Why transparency isn’t optional anymore
✅ How in-person connection changes everything
✅ What “shared fate” really means in consulting
✅ Why humanness—not tech specs—wins contracts
Whether you’re a government leader, project sponsor, or vendor trying to do things the right way—this episode is packed with practical insights and honest takes.
📅 Let’s Stay Connected:
Hit subscribe so you don’t miss our latest episode. We also go live weekly with more industry insights, so be sure to join us! And if you’ve got questions, drop them in the comments—we’re here to help!

Government IT Modernization and ERP Strategies for 2025: A Comprehensive Guide for Public Sector Transformation
➡ https://conference.averoadvisors.com/2025report

Top Public Sector ERP Systems: :
➡ https://share.hsforms.com/1ee49ru4aSpe3x4Byzuqifgeexml

Learn More About Avero:
➡ https://www.averoadvisors.com

Connect With Us:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/averoadvisors
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/averoadvisors
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/averoadvisors
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@averoadvisors

Connect With AV:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/verekar

(865) 415-3848 | [email protected]

©2024. Avero Advisors. All Rights Reserved.
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27min
May 22, 2025 The Future of AI for Constituent Services & CRM for Government
AI is a powerful tool in CRM, but how does it actually contribute to revenue growth? In this live session, Parth Shah, CEO of Polimorphic, will discuss how AI can convert customer data into tangible, measurable revenue. We’ll explore how AI enhances customer insights and streamlines sales processes, focusing on the practical ways it drives growth and impacts your bottom line. If you're looking to turn your CRM into a true revenue generator, this session is one you won't want to miss.
📅 Let’s Stay Connected:
Hit subscribe so you don’t miss our latest episode. We also go live weekly with more industry insights, so be sure to join us! And if you’ve got questions, drop them in the comments—we’re here to help!

Government IT Modernization and ERP Strategies for 2025: A Comprehensive Guide for Public Sector Transformation
➡ https://conference.averoadvisors.com/2025report

Top Public Sector ERP Systems: :
➡ https://share.hsforms.com/1ee49ru4aSpe3x4Byzuqifgeexml

Learn More About Avero:
➡ https://www.averoadvisors.com

Connect With Us:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/averoadvisors
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/averoadvisors
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/averoadvisors
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@averoadvisors

Connect With AV:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/verekar

(865) 415-3848 | [email protected]

©2024. Avero Advisors. All Rights Reserved.
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25min
May 01, 2025 How We've Helped Our Clients Overcome the Biggest Challenges in Public Sector Transformations
In this episode, we explore how public sector organizations have navigated the toughest challenges during their ERP transformations. From managing outdated systems and data conversion to overcoming internal resistance and change fatigue, we dive into the practical strategies that have helped our clients succeed. With a focus on the essential steps—from planning and executive alignment to addressing resource constraints—this episode offers valuable insights for anyone involved in digital transformation within the public sector. Tune in for real-world advice on how to tackle your biggest ERP project hurdles.
📅 Let’s Stay Connected:
Hit subscribe so you don’t miss our latest episode. We also go live weekly with more industry insights, so be sure to join us! And if you’ve got questions, drop them in the comments—we’re here to help!

Government IT Modernization and ERP Strategies for 2025: A Comprehensive Guide for Public Sector Transformation
➡ https://conference.averoadvisors.com/2025report

Top Public Sector ERP Systems: :
➡ https://share.hsforms.com/1ee49ru4aSpe3x4Byzuqifgeexml

Learn More About Avero:
➡ https://www.averoadvisors.com

Connect With Us:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/averoadvisors
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/averoadvisors
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/averoadvisors
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@averoadvisors

Connect With AV:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/verekar

(865) 415-3848 | [email protected]

©2024. Avero Advisors. All Rights Reserved.
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57min
April 24, 2025 Beyond the Comfort Zone: Leading Through Growth and Change
What does it really take to lead during periods of rapid growth and transformation? This episode explores how leadership evolves when an organization scales, why vulnerability is a strength—not a weakness—and how to create clarity amid chaos. You'll hear about the power of peer support, the importance of shared values, and why structure and intuition aren’t opposites—they're both essential. We also dive into what makes a strong mentorship, how to develop leaders (not just promote them), and how to build trust that drives real results. Whether you're navigating change in the public sector or scaling a business, this conversation unpacks the mindset and tools needed to lead with intention.
📅 Let’s Stay Connected:
Hit subscribe so you don’t miss our latest episode. We also go live weekly with more industry insights, so be sure to join us! And if you’ve got questions, drop them in the comments—we’re here to help!

Government IT Modernization and ERP Strategies for 2025: A Comprehensive Guide for Public Sector Transformation
➡ https://conference.averoadvisors.com/2025report

Top Public Sector ERP Systems: :
➡ https://share.hsforms.com/1ee49ru4aSpe3x4Byzuqifgeexml

Learn More About Avero:
➡ https://www.averoadvisors.com

Connect With Us:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/averoadvisors
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/averoadvisors
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/averoadvisors
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@averoadvisors

Connect With AV:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/verekar

(865) 415-3848 | [email protected]

©2024. Avero Advisors. All Rights Reserved.
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59min
April 17, 2025 Jan Baan on Microservices, AI, and the Future of Enterprise Software
In this episode of Untangled, Jan Baan — the legendary founder of Baan Company and pioneer in enterprise software — unpacks the deep flaws of today’s ERP systems. From the rise of microservices to the misuse of RFPs and the myth of SaaS perfection, Jan calls for a smarter, more flexible future for public sector technology. He dives into how governments can modernize without vendor lock-in, how AI should serve the user (not the vendor), and why the “job to be done” mindset is the path forward. This is a bold, unscripted masterclass in tech strategy from the man who helped invent the category.
📅 Let’s Stay Connected:
Hit subscribe so you don’t miss our latest episode. We also go live weekly with more industry insights, so be sure to join us! And if you’ve got questions, drop them in the comments—we’re here to help!

Government IT Modernization and ERP Strategies for 2025: A Comprehensive Guide for Public Sector Transformation
➡ https://conference.averoadvisors.com/2025report

Top Public Sector ERP Systems: :
➡ https://share.hsforms.com/1ee49ru4aSpe3x4Byzuqifgeexml

Learn More About Avero:
➡ https://www.averoadvisors.com

Connect With Us:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/averoadvisors
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/averoadvisors
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/averoadvisors
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@averoadvisors

Connect With AV:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/verekar

(865) 415-3848 | [email protected]

©2024. Avero Advisors. All Rights Reserved.
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FAQs about Untangled:

How many episodes does Untangled have?

The podcast currently has 142 episodes available.