Back after a brief Thanksgiving break, Joe and I discuss the sad state of the Department of Defense under the puerile leadership of Pete Hegseth. We asked who should be the first in the Trump cabinet to be impeached and removed- it turns out not to be an easy question.

We also talked about what it means to win. We agreed that ending the animosities in America would be great, but that we cannot agree to a peace that holds no-one accountable for the crimes of this administration.

As always, when Joe and I get together, the conversation is good, serious, and still fun.

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