“Many people find these ideologies to be so risible and silly that they wonder why anyone would spend time talking about them. And… the best response I have is that the reason we should talk about these and take… precious time out of our day to understand them, is precisely because there are billions and billions of dollars backing this movement.”

In this episode, host Mollie Holmberg (she/her) talks with Dr. Émile Torres about the pro-extinctionist TESCREAL worldviews driving the race to build artificial general intelligence; how these worldviews evolved directly out of Western Christianity and eugenics [ft. cameos by Julian Huxley and Peter Singer]; what the f*** TESCREALists actually mean by ‘artificial general intelligence’; why these ideologies are ludicrous if you think about them like an actual engineer (or from the perspective of any human person who has ever used a smartphone); why TESCREALists’ obsession with ‘existential risk’ spells very bad things not just for most of humanity, but also the planet; and holding climate pessimism alongside a commitment to keep fighting for a more just and livable future. To find out more about Dr. Torres’ work on Silicon Valley and the TESCREAL movement, you can visit their website at https://www.xriskology.com/ and check out their podcast Dystopia Now co-hosted with comedian Kate Willett.

Émile’s latest book is Human Extinction: A History of the Science and Ethics of Annihilation (Routledge).

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Transcript by Mollie Holmberg.

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“When people think about evolutionary biology, they think of ‘survival of the fittest.’ It is the first thing that comes to people's minds, and it is a gross misconception of evolution, and it's consistently been weaponized against people, and that's specifically Black people, people of color, Indigenous folks and disabled people specifically… It was coined by a eugenicist. I will not say their name. It was not Darwin's theory.”

For this second episode, host Mollie Holmberg (she/her) talks with Dr. Haley Branch (she/her) at the Yale School of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology about how her training in ballet informs her approach to studying plants; debunking “survival of the fittest” and other common misconceptions about evolution that are foundational to eugenics; publishing science that upsets the worst men on the internet; what caring for plants teaches us about disabled life; and her efforts to make field work in ecology and evolutionary biology more accessible for disabled scientists. To find out more about Dr. Branch’s work on desert plant ecophysiology, ableism in evolutionary biology, and building spaces for disabled scientists in higher ed, you can visit her website at https://haleyabranch.weebly.com/.

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Transcript by Mollie Holmberg.

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"These shared resonances which are often infantilized and dismissed as 'special interests' or 'infodumping' are actually intensities of knowledge and knowledge creation that we can sort of... refract off each other in ways that I think promote really interesting formations of knowledge."

Welcome to Unwell to Begin With, a podcast about the eugenics problem in biology and the environmental movement, and what disabled people and others at the receiving end of this ideology have to say about it. Or, to put it less bleakly: where we talk to disabled people and others about what crip knowledge and care practices have to offer in this moment of intensifying social and ecological crisis. For this first episode, host Mollie Holmberg (she/her) talks to Audra Mitchell (she/her and they/them) at the Balsillie School of International Affairs about why crip knowledge systems belong in fields like International Relations and environmental studies; uncomfy feelings about the category of disability; how policing gets normalized in classroom spaces and leads to things like students sending selfies from the ER; and why crip politics is about a lot more than just disability.

Audra's latest book is Revenant Ecologies: Defying the Violence of Extinction and Conservation (University of Minnesota Press).

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Transcript by Aadita Chaudhury, PhD Candidate in Science and Technology Studies at York University.

* Correction: This work is funded by a SSHRC Insight Grant, not a SSHRC Insight Development Grant

Theme music for the show is roswell by Fog Lake off the Free Music Archive and licensed under CC BY 4.0.