Phil bemoans his missed opportunity to become a sporting great, while Rob spots the perfect chance to wind him up mercilessly. Somewhere in between the self-pity and the ribbing, they also find time to talk about Leeds United, obviously.

Listen to the end for some bonus Rob and Phil.

Phil and Rob discuss Leeds United conspiracy theories, bone temples and have a go at a pub quiz!

The song at the end of the episode is 'The Game That We Love' written and performed by Stuart Bryne

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TRIGGER WARNING: This episode deals with themes of suicide.  If you or someone you know needs help or advice here are some places we hope will help:

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Phil and Rob reflect on Leeds United's 1-1 draw with Everton, Leeds' pursuit of Strand Larsen and whether Leeds are going to be dragged into a relegation battle. Plus the lads discuss Phil's entry into the world of online dating..

Phil and Rob catch up in the pub and reflect on Leeds United's 1-0 win over Fulham, Farke's turn of fortune and what's really behind Brendan Aaronson's renaissance.

Ups and Downs is an audio series following the lives of two Leeds United fans.