You have the visibility, you see the alerts, but your security backlog is still growing faster than your team can fix it. So, are you actually getting more secure? In this episode, Snir Ben Shimol, CEO of Zest Security, argues that "knowing about an open door or an open window don't make you more secure... just make you more aware" .

We spoke about the traditional "whack-a-mole" approach to vulnerability management. Snir shared an analogy: when planning a trip, the most important question isn't who goes first, but "what is the vehicle?" . He explains how AI's ability to perform recursive analysis can find the "vehicle" for your remediation efforts, that one base image upgrade or single code change that can reduce 20-30% of your entire vulnerability backlog in one action .

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(00:00) Introduction(02:30) Who is Snir Ben Shimol?(03:20) What is Cloud Security in 2025? Moving from Visibility to Action(07:25) Why Visibility Isn't Making You More Secure(10:20) The Slow, Manual Process of Remediation Today: Losing the Battle(16:00) The "Vehicle vs. Priority" Analogy for Vulnerability Management(17:45) How AI Enables Recursive Analysis to Find the Most Impactful Fix(20:00) The Three Pillars of AI-Driven Cloud Security Resolution(22:30) Why Your CNAPP/CSPM Can't Solve the Remediation Problem(25:20) Why Traditional Prioritization (EPSS, KEV) is a Waterfall Approach(28:10) The "Buy vs. Build" Dilemma for AI Security Solutions(30:15) The Complexity of Building a Multi-Agent AI System for Security(41:45) How CISOs Can Separate Real AI Products from Marketing Fluff(44:50) Final Questions: Surfing, Communication, and Thai Food