Verdicts and Vogue

In this episode of Verdicts in Vogue, host Cristina Perez sits down with renowned trial lawyer Sean Simpson at the TBI Med Legal conference, where the two first met years ago. Their conversation dives into the heart of trial work, collaboration, mentorship, and the fight for justice in personal injury law.

The discussion begins with their origin story—meeting at a dinner years back, introduced through mutual colleagues. That chance meeting quickly developed into a working relationship that has since evolved into a partnership on multiple cases, including a high-stakes traumatic brain injury (TBI) matter involving a dangerous Airbnb property. Though confidentiality prevents details from being shared, both lawyers reflect on the importance of site inspections, expert testimony, and jury perception in achieving a favorable outcome.

Sean emphasizes the value of immersive case preparation—visiting accident scenes, tow yards, and clients’ homes—to truly understand a client’s life. Cristina adds that connecting with families and capturing “day-in-the-life” perspectives are essential for telling stories that resonate with juries. They caution, however, against exaggeration or presenting clients as mere victims; authenticity and empowerment are key.

The two recount experiences working together on challenging trials, including one with a difficult jury pool and an underwhelming medical expert. Despite setbacks, they secured a verdict, though it fell short of expectations. Their reflection highlights critical lessons: jurors respond more to likability and believability than technical arguments, and an unhelpful witness or poorly prepared client can derail credibility.

Sean shares insights from his career path, which unexpectedly steered him into punitive damages cases across multiple practice areas—employment, insurance bad faith, fraud, and personal injury. These experiences inspired him to author Punitive Damages: A Lawyer’s Tool for Shaping Society, which underscores the role trial lawyers play in curbing corporate misconduct and holding powerful institutions accountable. He discusses how corporations’ influence over legislation often tilts laws against consumers, making the plaintiff’s bar the “David” to corporate America’s “Goliath.”

Another theme is mentorship and collaboration. Cristina and Sean both stress the importance of younger or less experienced attorneys reaching out for guidance rather than trying to go it alone. Sean recalls his own early reluctance to ask for help, but now advocates for vulnerability and teamwork—arguing that shared resources and expertise often multiply results for clients. Cristina echoes this, pointing to her role in women’s legal groups and national trial lawyer associations where knowledge-sharing uplifts the profession.

The conversation also touches on AI’s emerging role in jury selection. Sean explains how new technology can synthesize data from large jury pools to predict case values and juror tendencies more accurately than ever before. Though the legal landscape is changing, he insists the fundamentals—storytelling, credibility, and human connection—remain irreplaceable.

In closing, Sean reflects on the resilience instilled in him by his childhood, growing up in tough conditions with a father in medical school. Lessons of perseverance, grit, and “fighting until the work is done” shaped his legal career. Both he and Cristina agree that personal adversity often fuels the passion required to take on powerful adversaries in the courtroom.

Episode 11: Cristina Perez with Kari Ramos & Ilya Lerma: Advocacy with Impact—From the Courtroom to Strategy

Cristina Perez with Kari Ramos & Ilya Lerma: Advocacy with Impact—From the Courtroom to Strategy

In this inspiring episode of Verdicts & Vogue, Cristina Perez sits down with two powerhouse trial attorneys—Kari Ramos and Ilya Lerma—for a dynamic conversation on leadership, resilience, and what it takes to advocate with impact.

Kari Ramos brings her personal injury expertise to the forefront with a deep sense of purpose. Known for her ability to lead with both heart and grit, Kari shares how personal experiences shaped her path in the legal world, and how she channels empathy and drive into every case she takes. From advocating for injured clients to mentoring the next generation of lawyers, Kari exemplifies leadership through service.

Ilya Lerma, a seasoned trial attorney and litigation strategist, brings unmatched insight into the art of persuasion and performance in the courtroom. With years of experience handling high-stakes cases, Ilya discusses how narrative, psychology, and preparation intersect to shape jury outcomes. Her passion for advocacy is rivaled only by her commitment to pushing the boundaries of traditional trial work—with a bold, unapologetic edge.

Together, Kari and Ilya offer a powerful look at what it means to lead with conviction—both inside and outside the courtroom. This episode dives into the emotional, intellectual, and strategic layers of legal advocacy, shining a light on two women redefining strength in trial law.

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Episode 10, Part 2: Precision Litigator: Catastrophic Personal Injury & Products Liability Lawyer

In Part 2 of this compelling two-part series of Verdicts & Vogue, Julian Gomez returns to share a deeper, more personal side of his journey—one that goes beyond the courtroom and into the fabric of family, mentorship, legacy, and the mindset that defines true leadership. Building on Part 1, Julian opens up about how he shows up for catastrophically injured clients, the weight of being fully present, and the emotional discipline required to carry their stories with integrity.

Listeners are brought into Julian’s core values—how “failing fast” doesn’t apply when someone’s life is in your hands, and why preparation, presence, and deep empathy are non-negotiable in his work. He recounts how visiting his clients’ homes and seeing how they live transforms the way he litigates. It’s not strategy alone—it’s storytelling rooted in truth and human connection.

Julian also shares hard-won wisdom about the personal cost of practicing law at the highest level: how ego, status, and performance metrics can quickly pull lawyers away from their purpose, and why the most successful outcomes come when you remember who you’re truly working for. Drawing on advice from mentors and judges throughout his life, Julian explains the difference between winning for optics and winning for your client’s future—and how the latter should always be the goal.

The episode dives into the balancing act of being both a high-level litigator and a father. Julian reflects on how his daughter inspired his perspective on legacy, and how meaningful moments—like rock climbing or swimming with dolphins—serve as metaphors for risk, resilience, and leaving it all on the mountain. He speaks candidly about raising children in a household shaped by law and loss, and how empathy, honesty, and presence have become his guideposts, both at home and in court.

Julian also offers rich insight for young lawyers struggling to find their voice. From the importance of being yourself, to practicing "brutal honesty" and not drinking your own Kool-Aid, Julian encourages future leaders to stop mimicking and start molding their own path—flaws and all. He unpacks how introversion shaped his development, how he learned to initiate connection, and how he practices his “elevator pitch” not for show, but to stay open and grounded.

As the conversation unfolds, Julian reveals his vision for the next chapter—balancing his core practice areas in catastrophic personal injury and product liability with a desire to diversify into new spaces like estate planning and IP. He shares why adaptability is a superpower, and how maintaining an abundance mindset has helped him pivot, evolve, and stay aligned with his values.

This episode is a masterclass in legacy building, personal leadership, and practicing law with heart. Whether you're a trial lawyer, a parent, or someone navigating the balance between purpose and pressure, Julian’s reflections in Part 2 are a reminder that we are defined not just by our victories—but by how we carry the people who trust us most.

Episode 9, Part 1: Precision Litigator: Catastrophic Personal Injury & Products Liability Lawyer

In this captivating episode of Verdicts & Vogue, we sit down with Julian Gomez, a renowned catastrophic personal injury and products liability lawyer whose life and career have been shaped by generations of resilience, family values, and a relentless pursuit of justice. From growing up on a multi-generational South Texas ranch to becoming one of the nation’s most fearless trial lawyers, Julian shares how early lessons of hard work, honesty, and perseverance learned on the ranch laid the foundation for his courtroom success.

Listeners will be drawn into Julian’s deeply personal reflections on family—how being a son, brother, husband, father, and uncle influences the way he shows up for clients facing the worst moments of their lives. He recounts vivid memories of his grandfather teaching him to “walk fast, talk fast, think fast,” instilling a mindset of precision and urgency that guides his work to this day. Julian reveals how these seemingly simple lessons translate into courtroom victories, strategic litigation, and powerful advocacy for those harmed by dangerous products or catastrophic events.

We explore Julian’s unique professional journey, from dreams of ranching and architecture to cattle trading and ultimately to law, shaped by stories of his family’s struggles during the Great Depression and the unwavering belief that, with grit and resourcefulness, nothing is impossible. He candidly shares the bold choices he made early in his legal career, including taking on a complex international products case as his very first matter—an experience that set the tone for his fearless approach to law.

Julian opens up about the challenges facing the next generation of attorneys in a world dominated by digital communication, and he shares invaluable advice for young lawyers on building authentic relationships, honing communication skills, and staying intentional with every decision. Drawing on decades of experience, he explains why self-reliance, adaptability, and being “available, amiable, and able”—the three A’s of success he learned from his grandfather—are essential for thriving in law and life.

The conversation also tackles the stark realities of fighting corporate giants in catastrophic injury and product liability cases, where Julian’s meticulous preparation and belief in the impossible have led to remarkable outcomes for clients others had given up on. He discusses the importance of collaboration in litigation, the power of partnering with diverse perspectives, and how putting the client first drives better results.

As the episode unfolds, Julian offers heartfelt insights into what defines professional fulfillment, how faith and prayer guide his next chapter, and why his mission remains to use the law to make clients’ lives better after tragedy. He reflects on how lessons from the ranch continue to remind him of the value of truth, perseverance, and showing up—even when the odds are against you.

Whether you’re a lawyer seeking inspiration, a law student curious about the realities of trial practice, or someone who loves stories of grit, family, and the pursuit of justice, this episode with Julian Gomez is a must-listen. Tune in for a masterclass in precision litigation, storytelling, and the human side of law that makes a lasting impact.

Episode 8: Cristina Perez & Mike Alder: Litigation Powerhouse: Personal Injury, Business Torts & Employment LawMike Alder is widely recognized as one of California’s premier trial attorneys, known for his aggressive advocacy, strategic litigation skills, and deep commitment to client justice. As the founder and senior trial attorney at AlderLaw, based in Los Angeles, he has led his firm to recover over $3.1 billion in verdicts and settlements for clients in personal injury, employment, and toxic tort cases.In this episode of Verdicts & Vogue, we sit down with the one and only Mike Alder—a true titan in the world of trial law. Widely recognized as one of California’s premier litigators, Mike has built a name that carries undeniable weight in courtrooms and legal communities across the country. As the founder and senior trial attorney at AlderLaw, based in Los Angeles, Mike has recovered over $3.1 billion in verdicts and settlements for his clients. But his influence goes far beyond numbers.This episode offers an unfiltered deep dive into what it means to build a litigation powerhouse—not just through verdicts, but through leadership, culture, and strategic collaboration. Mike shares how he built a firm rooted in loyalty, excellence, and high-stakes performance. He opens up about forming alliances with other top-tier trial lawyers and how working together has been a key component in scaling impact and dominating complex cases. He also speaks on what it means to actually lead inside the courtroom—through presence, control, and mindset.Listeners will gain powerful insight into how today’s law firms must also evolve with the times, especially in the digital world. Mike speaks candidly about the importance of leveraging social media, owning your digital presence, and building your reputation online as much as in the courtroom. In a profession that’s traditionally been slow to adapt, Mike explains why lawyers who embrace modern tools while maintaining foundational trial skillsets will rise the fastest.One of the most compelling parts of the episode is Mike’s breakdown of “unconditional silence”—his self-described secret weapon during trial. It’s more than a strategy; it’s a mindset shift that separates the average from the elite. Silence, control, and calculated restraint become tools for power—and Mike explains exactly how he uses them to win.If you're serious about the legal profession, this is more than just an interview—it's a blueprint. Whether you're trying to grow your firm, sharpen your trial skills, or understand how greatness is truly built, Mike Alder lays it all out with clarity, intensity, and unmatched experience. This is an episode every trial lawyer needs to hear.

Episode 7: Cristina Perez, Frances Lynch & Ronda Kelso, RN, JD: Verdicts with Vision: Clinical Expertise and Compelling Advocacy

Ronda Kelso, RN, JD
From Scrubs to Summations: Mastering Medical Malpractice
With dual expertise as a registered nurse and trial lawyer, Ronda Kelso offers a rare and razor-sharp perspective on medical malpractice litigation. Her insights blend clinical precision with courtroom power.

Frances Lynch
The Written Word Meets the Rule of Law
Author and trial attorney Frances Lynch brings storytelling to litigation. Whether on the page or before a jury, she turns facts into compelling narratives that move hearts—and win cases.

In this dynamic episode of Verdicts & Vogue, host Cristina Perez Hesano sits down with two powerhouses of Arizona’s legal community: Ronda Kelso and Frances Lynch. The conversation spans years of friendship, legal grit, and collective passion for uplifting women within the field of trial law. More than just impressive titles and credentials, these women represent an evolving force in a historically male-dominated industry.

Together, the three women reflect on the serendipitous meeting that sparked what would become WAZTLA—the Women of the Arizona Trial Lawyers Association. What began as a call to support the Arizona Association for Justice’s membership committee quickly evolved into the formation of a vibrant community. Shocked to discover the lack of a women’s group in the state’s trial lawyer community, they took matters into their own hands—starting with a listserv designed to foster safe, supportive legal conversations among women attorneys.

For Frances, the listserv became a springboard for something greater: a living, breathing resource hub where female lawyers could ask “simple” questions without judgment and share valuable legal documents. This grew into a collaborative portal hosted by TrialSmith, a tool accessible to any woman in the association, encouraging transparency, empowerment, and shared success.

Ronda, meanwhile, recalls how her medical background offered an advantage when transitioning into law—and how vital mentorship became along the way. With humility and clarity, she discusses the nuances of practicing med-mal, sharing her journey from nurse to attorney and the impact of winning a unanimous $2.8 million verdict. She and Frances both reflect on the mentors who guided them—from pioneering women like Jojean Mills to unexpected allies in the courtroom—and how they now actively pay that mentorship forward to the next generation of women lawyers.

Beyond law, their passions ripple through community service and creativity. Ronda speaks on her role as a board member for Gabriel’s Angels, a nonprofit that pairs therapy dogs with at-risk youth to foster empathy and healing. Frances, a published author born in the UK, shares her path from journalist to attorney—and how writing continues to be a critical, cathartic part of her work.

The episode also highlights their role in launching "Coffee and Cases," a regular series designed to create a face-to-face (or Zoom-to-Zoom) mentorship and case discussion space for women in practice. These gatherings reinforce the deep need for community and mentorship, especially in a field where women still make up a small fraction of trial lawyers.

What emerges in this episode is more than just professional reflection—it’s a blueprint for creating meaningful change within the legal community. Whether it’s advocating for better representation, establishing legal education through CLEs, or just showing up for one another, Ronda and Frances show how leadership can be equal parts fierce and compassionate.

If you’re a young attorney, a woman in law, or simply someone who values justice, mentorship, and empowerment, this episode will leave you inspired—and ready to keep building.

Episode 6: Cristina Perez and Alejandro Blanco: Relentless in the Courtroom: Catastrophic Injury & Camp Lejeune Litigation

Trial lawyer Alejandro Blanco brings intensity, precision, and unwavering dedication to catastrophic injury and environmental exposure cases, including Camp Lejeune claims. Known for his fearless advocacy and strategic command, Alejandro is a force in the courtroom—and a compelling voice on the mic.

🎙 Episode 6: Relentless in the Courtroom – Catastrophic Injury & Camp Lejeune Litigation
Guest: Alejandro Blanco, Trial Lawyer

In this powerful episode of Verdicts & Vogue, Cristina Perez Hesano sits down with trial lawyer Alejandro Blanco for a raw, thought-provoking conversation that spans the personal, the professional, and the deeply human.

Alejandro opens up about his journey from medicine-aspiring son of a doctor to one of the nation's most respected catastrophic injury and brain injury attorneys. With four decades of legal experience, his perspective goes beyond strategy—anchored in emotional truth, courtroom vulnerability, and what it means to advocate for the dignity of others.

From his early days to his impactful present, Alejandro shares how personal experience with hearing loss shaped his empathy and sharpened his focus on neurological dysfunction and traumatic brain injuries (TBIs). He recalls landmark cases—including a $25 million verdict—where he found himself in a “portal” with the jury, describing a surreal connection forged through emotional authenticity and self-awareness.

In this episode, Alejandro and Cristina dissect:

• The Art of Trial Advocacy: Why real connection—not theatrics—wins juries, and how understanding your own biases and vulnerabilities is the key to truth-telling in court.

• The Invisible Toll of TBIs: From auditory dysfunctions to hallucinations and post-traumatic stress, Alejandro breaks down how brain injury victims live through devastating symptoms—often unseen by the world around them.

• Technology in the Courtroom: Using immersive visuals and client-triggered demonstrations, Alejandro explains how he helps juries experience what his clients live with—turning complex neurological diagnoses into stories of real, daily impact.

• Life After Injury: Beyond verdicts, he reflects on what clients truly want—dignity, normalcy, and the chance to live a life that still feels their own.

They also dive into Alejandro’s current leadership role in the Camp Lejeune litigation, where he advocates for thousands of veterans and civilians suffering from Parkinson’s and other neurological damage tied to water contamination. His work continues to be a voice for those whose injuries have robbed them of stability, peace, and recognition.

And it’s not just about law. Alejandro gives listeners a glimpse into his personal life—his marriage, his daughters, his Argentine roots, and the comfort of fresh-baked chipa bread. His wisdom is grounded, his words exact, and his mission clear: help others live with dignity, especially when the world has taken so much from them.

This episode is a masterclass in courtroom presence, medical storytelling, and legal compassion. Whether you’re an attorney, advocate, or someone navigating life after trauma, Alejandro’s insights will leave a lasting mark.

🧠 “What is it worth to live the life of a brain-damaged person?”
💬 “We don’t deliver justice. We give our clients the tools to fight with dignity.”

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Episode 5: Cristina and Jill McMahon, LPC: The Power of Grief, the Strength in Letting Go

In this powerful episode of Verdicts & Vogue, host Cristina Perez Hesano is joined by close friend and grief counselor Jill McMahon, LPC for a deeply honest conversation on trauma, healing, boundaries, and growth. With a friendship spanning over 14 years, Cristina and Jill reflect on the chapters of life that shaped them—through motherhood, infertility, career transitions, and personal pain—and how showing up for one another changed their lives.

Cristina shares how a simple moment—challenging Jill over drinks to step into her potential—led to Jill launching her own grief and trauma counseling practice. Jill went on to dedicate over two decades to working with families who’ve lost a loved one to suicide, providing postvention care at the scene and supporting communities in crisis. Today, she trains mental health professionals and first responders nationwide, helping others deliver the same compassionate care that she has offered so many over the years.

The conversation delves into the burden of secondary trauma—especially in high-pressure professions like law and mental health. Cristina and Jill draw parallels between their work: both require holding space for others, absorbing trauma, and helping people through their darkest moments. Jill shares practical insights on setting emotional boundaries, learning to turn work off at the end of the day, and the long-term cost of ignoring burnout.

Cristina opens up about her own past—surviving childhood sexual abuse and the years she spent carrying that burden. With Jill’s friendship and guidance, Cristina found the strength to confront that trauma, receive an apology from her abuser, and forgive—not for them, but for herself. It’s a powerful reminder that healing often begins when we choose to let go and create space for something better.

Their shared identity as spin instructors is also explored. While they both lead early morning classes filled with music and motivation, those workouts represent something deeper: structure, therapy, and a consistent way to reset their minds. For Jill and Cristina, cycling isn’t just a job—it’s a tool for resilience.

The episode also highlights Jill’s latest chapter: publishing her first book,
“Bulletproof: Healing After Gun Violence and Trauma.”
Written for survivors, caregivers, and clinicians, Bulletproof is a guide to understanding the long-term emotional impact of mass shootings and community violence. Jill explains how survivors often become invisible just days after tragedies, and why it’s crucial to return the focus to healing—not politics. The book offers clinical insight, emotional validation, and practical tools for those navigating life after trauma.

For attorneys, clinicians, or anyone carrying the weight of others’ pain, this episode is a must-listen. It’s a call to recognize when you need rest, when to set boundaries, and how to prioritize your own healing in the process. Cristina and Jill prove that friendship, reflection, and honest conversations can be the foundation for personal and professional transformation.

Listen now to Episode 5 — streaming on Verdicts & Vogue wherever you get your podcasts.

Episode 4: Cristina Perez and Ilya Lerma: Power, Presence & the $10 Million Dollar Pushback

In this episode of Verdicts & Vogue, Cristina Perez Hesano welcomes her friend, colleague, and fellow trial warrior Ilya Lerma for a raw and insightful conversation about life in the courtroom, in leadership, and as women balancing it all.

Ilya shares the backstory behind one of her most significant career moments — a $10 million medical malpractice verdict, the second-largest in Arizona, following a grueling trial marked by limited evidence, extreme bias in jury selection, and a panel that almost fell apart. With clarity and humility, she walks Cristina through how she managed the trial’s intense pressure, including prepping for closing arguments while literally sewing a ripped skirt minutes before stepping up for rebuttal.

They reflect on how personal injury work tests not just your legal skills but your emotional strength, strategic patience, and sense of identity. Ilya discusses the emotional fallout of navigating trial culture as a Latina woman, how gendered expectations shape courtroom interactions, and why it took years to build her own confidence, boundaries, and support systems. Together, Cristina and Ilya explore the fine line between toughness and vulnerability — and how to use both to your advantage.

Beyond the trial stories, the episode dives into deeper themes:

• Changing your name as a professional woman: What it means when your legal identity, law license, and brand are all tied to the name you started with.

• The myth of balance: Ilya shares how she shifted from trying to do everything perfectly to learning the power of saying “no,” redefining success, and finally prioritizing her health and family.

• What juries really think: From misunderstanding who pays a verdict to language and bias in voir dire, Ilya breaks down how juror perceptions can shape everything — and how women attorneys can better manage those narratives.

• Mentorship & connection: Ilya speaks on her experience with the national legal education platform Connectionology and the importance of building a legal career that honors your values and vision.

There’s laughter, there are lessons, and there’s a reminder that the strongest trial lawyers are often those who’ve lived through the most personal growth.

This episode is for every attorney who’s felt like they were doing too much and still not enough. It’s for women who’ve built careers while raising families, navigating co-counsel dynamics, and refusing to fit into anyone else’s mold.

🧠 Verdicts & Vogue is hosted by Cristina Perez Hesano of Perez Law Group in Phoenix, Arizona — a Latina trial attorney using this platform to give voice to real experiences inside and outside the courtroom.

🎧 Tune in for war stories, hard-won wisdom, and a few unexpected laughs.

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Episode 3: Cristina Perez and Kari Ramos: Strength Through Adversity, Leadership Through Experience

In this powerful and deeply human episode of Verdicts & Vogue, Cristina Perez sits down with attorney and advocate Kari Ramos for a candid and wide-ranging conversation about strength, personal growth, and the often-unseen sides of practicing law as a woman.

From growing up in a rural Nevada town with no grocery store or law enforcement to becoming a legal force of her own, Kari shares how her upbringing shaped her curiosity, independence, and resilience. She opens up about the early chapters of her life—being one of eight children, learning grit through family survival, and building people skills through jobs like bartending, sales, and even an unexpected journey into beauty pageants that taught her the power of public presence and personal branding.

But the conversation digs even deeper. Kari vulnerably shares how her experience as a victim of sexual assault led her to law school—not to chase prestige, but to give a voice to others who often feel unheard. This pivotal experience reshaped her worldview and ignited a passion for advocacy rooted in empathy, presence, and integrity.

Cristina and Kari explore how being an empath is both a gift and a challenge in the legal field. Kari describes how she navigates the emotional weight of trauma-heavy cases by intentionally restoring her senses—sight, hearing, and touch—after intense days of client grief, medical images, or heartbreaking testimonies. It’s a perspective rarely shared so openly in the legal profession.

The episode also highlights Kari's unexpected journey into horse training—yes, wild horse training—which she credits with teaching her patience, influence over control, and the importance of doing something before you’re ready. Her story of impulsively buying two wild horses during a cross-country road trip (and lying about having a “horse port”) is both hilarious and profoundly illustrative of her mindset: jump in, then figure it out with humility and resourcefulness.

Cristina also invites Kari to reflect on a recent chapter of personal adversity—supporting her fiancé through a life-threatening medical emergency. Without going into private details, Kari shares the hard-earned lessons about grace under pressure, character built in quiet moments, and how small habits like daily gratitude can become life-saving anchors in crisis.

Throughout the episode, the two attorneys exchange real-world insights on what it means to be a woman in law—how ego, reputation, and fear often block collaboration, and how asking for help, even as a seasoned professional, can redefine your career. From difficult professional lessons to moments of quiet mentorship, this episode is a masterclass in authenticity, vulnerability, and the quiet power of doing the right thing.

Whether you’re a young attorney, a survivor, a leader, or simply someone navigating hard things, Kari’s story is a reminder that you don’t need all the answers to get started—you just need the courage to move forward before you're ready.