Two Veterans join us to talk about their experiences and what led them to end their service. Friend of the show Hani Nofal and his friend Taylor, who did not want to share his last name until he successfully separated. Taylor talks about his service, the good part about the military, but also the US policy, which eventually became too much. Hani rejoins us to discuss his efforts nationally and locally to call attention to our US and Tennessee policies that challenge the Constitution, Human Rights, Rules of war, and common sense. They both talk about life as a sailor today in this unnecessary war zone, the problems with NO Kings, and what is going on with the Gerald Ford.