A great conversation with an old friend and climbing buddy Vince Hempsall about transitioning to life as Dads. How did we get here and will we ever climb 5.13 again? And what does that even mean?

Vince is a content provider, magazine editor, marketer, book author, adventurer, videographer, newspaper reporter, publisher, rock climber, social media communicator, mountain biker and writer. But most of all he is DAD and husband to an amazing wife.

We discuss life with two young kids, the downside of not being sponsored climbers, the importance of the outdoors in raising healthy kids, compromised climbing, sleep coaching, skateboarding in your 40s and training our kids to take care of us when we break a hip.

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