Host Brian Wesolowski sits down with the visionary Pam Samuelson, one of the leaders behind technology law and policy clinics. These clinics are helping answer some of today’s most pressing legal questions around tech and society, and Pam tells us more about how they got started and what they're tackling now.

Then, Brian brings in CDT's Natasha Duarte to talk about changes the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development wants to make to its rules against housing discrimination. HUD wants to make it harder to challenge housing discrimination, especially when it’s caused by algorithms.

More on CDT's HUD comments: http://bit.ly/CDTHUDalgo

More on Pam: https://twitter.com/PamelaSamuelson

More on Natasha: https://twitter.com/Natasha_Duarte

More on our host, Brian: bit.ly/cdtbrian

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