In this episode Matt is joined by Visionary Woodworker Chris Isner. Chris had a profound vision during his first ayahuasca ceremony of ancient hands using a primordial technique to form a wooden bowl, revealing gorgeous textures, as the faces of primordial entities morphed and twisted through legions of iterations. He now uses this technique to record his visions. During the conversation Matt asks Chris about his experiences with plant medicine, and how he integrates what he's learned into his work. The two also discuss hapé and yopo - two shamanic snuffs originating from the Amazon.

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