James is Associate Professor of Religious Studies at Northwestern University. He is the author of five books, most recently "Materializing the Bible: Scripture, Sensation, Place." His current research focuses on the secondhand circulation of Christian material culture.

I spoke with James about his path into studying material religion and why materiality is essential for understanding religious practice. We discussed the Bible as a powerful object, how creativity functions in the context of literal interpretations of Scripture, and the ways religious artifacts circulate, gaining new meanings and values. James shared insights on the remixing of objects, the journey of the Gauchi brothers’ Holy Land model, and the ethics of collecting and selling Christian items. We also talked about how we can be surprised by  material culture, the role of intentionality, and how secondhand spaces reveal both the endurance and transformation of Christianity in everyday life, especially in relation to popular culture.

Ryan is a Professor of History at Virginia Commonwealth University. He specializes in American religious history, material culture, and historic preservation. His most recent book is Death and Rebirth in a Southern City: Richmond's Historic Cemeteries. He is also the author of "Gothic Arches, Latin Crosses: Anti-Catholicism and American Church Designs in the Nineteenth Century."​ Ryan is a founding member of the Richmond Cemetery Collaboratory and is the director of the Richmond Cemetery Project (richmondcemeteries.org). He has museum experience at the St. John's Church Foundation, the Winterthur Museum, the St. Augustine Historical Society, and the Castillo de San Marcos National Monument, among other institutions.

In this conversation, Ryan and I explore a rich array of subjects, from the Shaker aesthetic to the symbolism of lighthouses in Christianity. Ryan also explains the power dynamics involved in historical Christian burial practices, and how material religion and public spaces interact to reveal important societal values and beliefs.

Lieke is a Senior Researcher at the Center for Art and Society at the Hanze University of Applied Sciences in Groningen, the Netherlands, and works as a freelance curator. She is the author of "Resonating Sacralities: Dynamics Between Art and Religion in Postsecular Netherlands" and "Beyond the Return of Religion: Art and the Postsecular." She co-edited with others the volume "Museums as Ritual Sites, Civilizing Rituals Reconsidered" and the (open-access) "Bloomsbury Handbook of Religion and Heritage in Contemporary Europe." She previously curated the exhibitions "Mary Magdalene" in 2021 and "The Genesis of Science" in 2024 at Museum Catharijneconvent, and edited their accompanying publications.

In this conversation, Lieke and I explore how contemporary art engages spirituality and can function as a form of material religion. We look at the challenges artists face in expressing the sacred within a largely secular culture, how migration shapes religious imagery, and what it means to curate exhibitions that take spiritual themes seriously. We also reflect on how the sacred continues to surface within modern visual culture.

Cornelia received a PhD in Philosophy from Georgetown University and holds MA degrees in Philosophy and History from Temple University. She is the author of three monographs, "The Orthodox Icon and Postmodern Art: Critical Reflections on the Christian Image and its Theology," "Tradition and Transformation in Christian Art: The Transcultural Icon," and "Icons in Time, Persons in Eternity: Orthodox Theology and the Aesthetics of the Christian Image." Her earlier work includes the edited volume "Reviewing Orpheus: Essays on the Art and Cinema of Jean Cocteau." She is also the translator with M. Spanos of "St. Paisios the Athonite, With Pain and Love for Contemporary Man."

In this episode, Cornelia and I explore how the material and relational dimensions of Orthodox worship—from the intimacy of confession to the tactile presence of sacred objects—mediate time, eternity, and divine presence. We also discuss how modernism and postmodern thought intersect with Orthodox theology, including the challenges icons pose to contemporary aesthetics and the ways photography can gesture toward the eternal present.

Jeffrey is Professor of Religion at Washington & Lee University. He is the author of books and essays including "From the Heart: A Memoir and a Meditation – On a Vital Organ," "Arts of Wonder: Enchanting Secularity" which received the 2013 Award for Excellence in Constructive-Reflective Studies from the American Academy of Religion and was also named to the New Museum’s list “Favorite titles from the past year,” and Levinas and the Philosophy of Religion. In addition to these original works, he has also translated several books of philosophy and theology from French to English.​​

In this conversation, I spoke with Jeffrey about how art can mediate the invisible, evoke wonder, and challenge the disenchantment of modernity. Jeffrey shared his experiences with significant artworks and how they inspire a contemplative way of seeing, emphasizing the heart as a site of spiritual encounter. Our dialogue also touched on material religion, the sacredness of everyday life, and the interplay between philosophy and art in understanding meaning in a secular age.

Katie is an art historian and critic specializing in issues of art, spirituality, contemplative practice and the artistic process. She has written two books, several book chapters, and more than one hundred articles on topics ranging from ancient temples to medieval cathedrals to postmodern art installations. She is the recipient of several research fellowships including a Graves Award in the Humanities, and her work has been shortlisted for Best American Essays. This year, 2026, she has a new book, "Church Beautiful: Sacred Art and Spiritual Healing.​​"

In this conversation, we discuss how the incarnation of Christ transformed artistic imagination and how contemporary artists are increasingly engaging with spiritual themes. Our dialogue examines the role of museums as modern temples, the significance of materiality in art, and the value of folk art and communal expressions of spirituality. Katie highlights the evolving role of the artist in society, suggesting that artists are stepping into a more priestly role as they navigate the sacred dimensions of their work.

Jamie is an Associate Professor of American religions and material culture at the University of North Carolina Wilmington. She earned her PhD from Duke University. Her book "Protestant Relics in Early America" examines relic veneration, corpse inspection, and the art of mourning in the early United States. She also studies Bible and relic practices in the American Civil War Era. Jamie is a past fellow at The George Washington Presidential Library at Mount Vernon; The Library Company of Philadelphia; Winterthur Museum, Garden and Library; the Filson Historical Society; and the New England Regional Fellowship Consortium.​​

In this conversation, I talk with Jamie about the role of Protestant relics and patriotic symbols and the ways Bibles became contested objects during the Civil War. Jamie also reflects on how secularism and evangelicalism have influenced the material expression of Christianity, and how art continues to function as a site for spiritual experience today. Together, we consider the tensions in modern American Christianity, where material and intellectual understandings of faith often coexist in paradoxical ways.

Michael is Professor of Architecture at the University of Hartford. He is the sole author, editor, or contributor to more than 75 books on architecture, including five books for children.

Michael is the recipient of the Edward S. Frey Memorial Award, in Recognition of the Contributions Made to Religion, Art, and Architecture, bestowed by the American Institute of Architects’ Interfaith Forum on Religion, Art, and Architecture. He’s practiced with Centerbrook Architects and Steven Winter Associates and is a registered architect in the State of Connecticut.​​

I spoke with Michael about the relationship between architecture and spirituality, with a focus on sacred architecture and spatial justice. We discussed the historical importance of sacred spaces, the role of inclusivity in design, and how materials and art contribute to meaningful environments. We also explored why accessibility and welcome are essential for sacred spaces if they’re to reflect and effectively serve the diversity of their communities.

Anthony is Associate Professor of American Studies at the University of Notre Dame, where he teaches courses in U.S. religious history, gender and sexuality studies, the long 1980s, and visual culture. His most recent book, "Provoking Religion: Sex, Art, and the Culture Wars," examines the history of feminist and queer artists who found themselves caught in the crosshairs of the Christian Right. He is also the author of "After the Wrath of God: AIDS, Sexuality, and American Religion. " Anthony serves as a series editor for the North American Religions book series at NYU Press. Before joining Notre Dame, he was an associate professor of religion at Boston University, where he also served as the NEH Distinguished Teaching Professor and founded the Health Humanities Project.​​

In this conversation, Anthony and I discussed the role of artists in the culture wars of the 80s and 90s and the ongoing relevance of material religion in contemporary art. We also shared thoughts on how artists today continue to engage with religious themes, challenge traditional narratives, and address issues of race, sexuality, and power through their work.

Chris is an Assistant Professor of Religion in the Department of Philosophy and Religion at Mississippi State University. He has served as Director of the Krikor and Clara Zohrab Information Center at the Eastern Diocese of the Armenian Church of America and has worked at Radboud University in Nijmegen, the Netherlands, the University of Michigan, St. Nersess Armenian Seminary, and Wesleyan University. 

Chris’s published work explores the role of liturgy and law in the lives of religious minorities, migration and emplacement, and the question of secularism in relation to religious minority rights. His first monograph is "Liturgical Rights: Armenian Minority Presence in Turkey."​​

In this conversation, I spoke with Chris about the Armenian liturgy and its theological significance. We discussed the distinctions between liturgy and worship and the sensory fullness of Armenian practice. Our conversation also touched on how cultural and historical forces have shaped Armenian visual forms.