Hey friends, some of the audio sounds different in places due to recording in Zoom. Thanks for your patience. Love you!

River and Gabe discuss the childhood toys or interests that they later believe were trans. (The 80s were wild for River and boy's dolls.) Then, The Owl House's Avi Roque joins the pod to talk about vocal health and testosterone's impact on their career in voice acting and audio books. This is a feel good one, babes.

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