In this episode Lenny shares some music recommendations with his fellow pessimists.

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Note: I misspoke twice:

• (21:20) Neofolk came into being in the mid '80s.

• (33:35) Darkspace were founded in 1999; their demo was released in 2002.

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Carlos on the Vegan Week / Enough of the Falafel podcast:

• Going Vegan: "I started avoiding meat at work": https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/vegan-week/going-vegan-i-started-wr2eOcdfTEU/

• 51- "But the brain needs meat": https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/vegan-week/51-but-the-brain-needs-meat-2I6rVNMaQOT/

• 52- When vegans go looking for trouble: https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/vegan-week/52-when-vegans-go-looking-KI29M6FLVbz/

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LINKS:

• Music recommendations for pessimists (YouTube playlist): https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLe1P4pXXq1GL3WlGuLDEAmQgJZuCvwNst

• Norbert Grabowsky: https://lennysarchive.wordpress.com/2024/04/11/redemption-through-abstention-the-sex-negative-antinatalism-of-norbert-grabowsky-1861-1922/

• Andrew McIntosh's music: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJCMvTRbCfZ4MgLMw2gutZ0q3Co6oARYL

• A Doom Metal Manifesto by Earl of Void: https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueDoomMetal/comments/111dj4h/a_doom_metal_manifesto_by_earl_of_void/

• ROME: https://www.romepage.org/

• Darkspace: https://darkcyberspace.com/

•  @justmyfavstrangemusic261's "Russian Doomer Music" playlists: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSVhVwIpndKKKTjeii823Y_l9n6ybPYVH

LITERATURE:

– Andreas Diesel & Dieter Gerten: Looking for Europe. Neofolk und Hintergründe. Zeltingen-Rachtig: Auerbach Tonträger 2005. ISBN 3-936878-02-1.

(English translation: Looking for Europe. The History of Neofolk. ISBN 9783936878240.)

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01:45 music in philosophical pessimism

03:15 what this episode is not about

05:15 the value and role of music in my personal life

08:21 "a pessimist's guide to music"

10:15 Recommendation 1: Reverend Bizarre & Doom Metal

20:01 Recommendation 2: ROME & Neofolk

32:16 Recommendation 3: Darkspace & Cosmic Black Metal

38:13 Recommendation 4: Russian Doomer Music

44:38 (outro)

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In this episode Carlos and Lenny share their thoughts on Cormac McCarthy's 1985 Western novel "Blood Meridian or The Evening Redness in the West":

"Based on historical events that took place on the Texas-Mexico border in the 1850s, Blood Meridian is an epic novel that traces the fortunes of the Kid, a fourteen-year-old Tennesseean who stumbles into a nightmarish world in which the market for Indian scalps is thriving."

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Carlos on the Vegan Week / Enough of the Falafel podcast:

51- "But the brain needs meat"

https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/vegan-week/51-but-the-brain-needs-meat-2I6rVNMaQOT/

52- When vegans go looking for trouble: https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/vegan-week/52-when-vegans-go-looking-KI29M6FLVbz/

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LITERATURE:

– Cormac McCarthy: Blood Meridian or The Evening Redness in the West (25th anniversary edition). New York: Vintage International 1992. ISBN 978-0-679-72875-7.

LINKS:

• excerpt from Paul Valéry's "The Yalu" (1895) in The New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/1971/03/25/archives/the-wisdom-of-the-orient-western-civilization-destroys-the-fathers.html

• Jacob Böhme: Von sechs theosophischen Punkten (1620), 9.13.: http://www.boehme.pushpak.de/sechs-punkte/kapitel_09.html

• Samuel E. Chamberlain: My Confession: The Recollections of a Rogue. Introduction and Postscript by Roger Butterfield. New York: Harper & Brothers 1956. https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.226260

• @Wendigoon's 5-hour summary and analysis of Blood Meridian: https://youtu.be/eu6STuj4njw

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0:01:27 Carlos' introduction to Cormac McCarthy

0:07:16 Blood Meridian: blurb

0:11:01 three epigraphs

0:18:22 the kid (ch. 1)

0:25:30 the hermit (ch. 2)

0:29:04 the filibusters and the Comanche attack (ch. 3–4)

0:33:41 arrest and the Glanton gang (ch. 5–6)

0:38:05 Judge Holden

0:48:37 They rode on...

0:50:17 the judge on raising children (ch. 11)

0:50:53 the judge on moral law (ch. 17)

0:56:09 the gang's habits and standards

1:04:25 the kid meeting the judge again (ch. 23)

1:07:57 epilogue

1:11:34 concluding thoughts

1:13:05 an unfilmable story?

1:14:55 (outro)

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In this episode Carlos and Lenny speak with Mark J. Maharaj, also known as @EhQuestionMark on YouTube, about his past and ongoing projects, his experience with the antinatalist community, and the lessons learned along the way.

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LINKS:

• Mark on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@EhQuestionMark

• Mark's Linktree: https://linktr.ee/EhQuestionMark

• Mark's "Academic Anti-natalism Philosophy" Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/antinatalismphilosophy/

• Conundrum's Philosophical Pessimism Discord server: https://discord.gg/z9NQTuxPD6

• Conundrum's "Critiques of EFILism" playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWWQ0LBECuOfN_RoEVJ5_OOpJomZtH29w

• the old ExAN crew (including Carlos and Mark) introducing themselves: https://youtu.be/qzDYIIaM_V4

• Mark being accused: https://youtu.be/WF5i85IkwSk?t=265 (at 4:25)

MARK'S RECOMMENDATIONS:

• https://www.youtube.com/@WackyConundrum

• https://www.youtube.com/@callmeschibboleth7586

• https://www.youtube.com/@dailynegativity5429 / https://www.youtube.com/@pessimismchannel / https://www.youtube.com/@DisciplinedPassion

• https://www.youtube.com/@Philosophy_Overdose

• https://www.youtube.com/@KaneB

• https://www.youtube.com/@BraininaVat

• https://www.youtube.com/@DO-NOT-WATCH

• https://www.youtube.com/@PerspectivePhilosophy

• https://www.youtube.com/@philosophyhub9257

• https://www.youtube.com/@theblackponderer

• https://www.youtube.com/@WirelessPhilosophy

• https://www.youtube.com/@CarneadesOfCyrene

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0:00:00 (intro)

0:01:30 Mark's vegan/antinatalist journey

0:06:36 Mark's antinatalism-related projects

0:09:05 ethical reflection leading to antinatalism?

0:12:01 "agent-relative sentiocentric Benatarian philanthropic-focused non-consequentialist anti-natalism"

0:12:30 "agent-relative"

0:16:22 "Benatarian"

0:19:30 "philanthropic-focused"

0:21:07 "non-consequentialist"

0:22:53 philosophical pessimism

0:26:37 Lenny's and Carlos' take on Mark's position

0:30:01 starting ExAN

0:34:34 ExAN #7 controversy and consequences

0:42:54 Mark's platforming policy

0:47:40 Mark getting backlash

0:50:57 possible responses to toxic elements

0:53:10 steelman dilemma

0:54:52 complexity of contributions and engagement

1:00:06 exposing power levels

1:04:12 (not) yielding the floor to your opponents

1:08:19 Mark's ongoing projects

1:10:45 lessons learned and advice for antinatalists

1:20:18 digital decluttering

1:22:07 recommended content creators

1:26:08 concluding remarks

1:29:12 (outro)

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In this episode Carlos and Lenny share their thoughts on the first issue of The Antinatalism Magazine, edited by the late Jiwoon Hwang and published in September 2017:

1. François Tremblay: “The Non-Identity Problem”,

2. Andreas Nilssen Möss: “Interview with Tim Oseckas”,

3. Manu Herrán: “The Big Lie”.

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Carlos' interview on the Going Vegan / Enough of the Falafel podcast: https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/vegan-week/going-vegan-i-started-wr2eOcdfTEU/

@LawrenceAnton's suggestion: https://youtu.be/r3Jb_RtUCPM?t=2144 (at 0:35:44)

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LINKS:

• The Antinatalism Magazine #1 on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1549654934 (paperback) / https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075BGS6RL (Kindle)

• The Antinatalism Magazine #1 on Academia.edu: https://www.academia.edu/34584850/The_Antinatalism_Magazine_September_2017_vol_1

• The Antinatalism Magazine #1 on Antinatalism.com (archived): https://web.archive.org/web/20180317103522/http://antinatalism.com/

• François Tremblay's blog: https://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/

• M. A. Roberts: “The Nonidentity Problem", Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nonidentity-problem/

• @Svankmajer's Planet Zapffe: https://web.archive.org/web/20221007051838/http://www.knunst.com/planetzapffe/

• @Svankmajer: “Why Antinatalists Should Stop Talking About the Red Button”, read by @QuestionMarkPhilosophy: https://youtu.be/uT9TuAAqa34

• @timoseckas3044 announcing the upcoming translation of Peter Wessel Zapffe's Om det tragiske: https://medium.com/@tjoseckas/hi-ihave-recently-received-confirmation-that-finally-an-english-translation-of-zapffes-om-det-b6f8889267e8

• @mherran: “The Big Lie” (2017): https://manuherran.com/the-big-lie/

LITERATURE:

– François Tremblay: A New Approach to Procreative Ethics. Lulu 2016 / Amazon 2019.

– David Benatar: Better Never to Have Been: The Harm of Coming into Existence, Oxford: Oxford University Press 2006.

– Julio Cabrera & Karim Akerma: Antinatalism, Abortion and Existence. 2024. https://antinatalismblog.wordpress.com/2024/01/03/antinatalism-abortion-and-existence-by-j-cabrera-and-k-akerma/ / https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uDVXKoLh_5P-wqTmw7fh6zGrN9hQhRne/view

– Matti Häyry: “A rational cure for prereproductive stress syndrome”, Journal of Medical Ethics 30/4 (2004), 377–378. DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/jme.2003.004424 (open access).

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0:00:00 (intro)

0:02:00 introduction to The Antinatalism Magazine

0:06:10 Jiwoon Hwang (1995–2018)

0:08:58 where to find The Antinatalism Magazine #1

0:10:06 François Tremblay: A New Approach to Procreative Ethics (1)

0:15:27 introduction to the non-identity problem

0:18:34 François Tremblay: “The Non-Identity Problem”

0:24:14 François Tremblay: A New Approach to Procreative Ethics (2)

0:34:55 Andreas Möss

0:37:10 Tim Oseckas 

0:45:50 Manu Herrán: “The Big Lie”

0:56:45 (outro) 

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In this episode Carlos and Lenny share their thoughts on the 2011 Hungarian movie A torinói ló (The Turin Horse), directed by Béla Tarr, based on a screenplay by László Krasznahorkai:

"On January 3, 1889 in Turin, Italy, Friedrich Nietzsche steps out of the doorway of number six, Via Carlo Albert. Not far from him, a cab driver is having trouble with a stubborn horse. The horse refuses to move, whereupon the driver loses his patience and takes his whip to it. Nietzsche puts an end to the brutal scene, throwing his arms around the horse’s neck, sobbing. After this, he lies motionless and silent for two days on a divan until he mutters the obligatory last words, and lives for another ten years, silent and demented, cared for by his mother and sisters. Somewhere in the countryside, the cab driver lives with his daughter and the overworked horse. Outside, a windstorm rages. The horse refuses to move, and the man and his daughter struggle through their daily schedule. Food and water grow scarce. Beggars and gypsies come to their door. The horse stops eating. Slowly, the apocalypse approaches. Immaculately photographed in Tarr’s renowned long takes, The Turin Horse is the final statement from a master filmmaker."

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Carlos mentioning the work of Béla Tarr and László Krasznahorkai in our interview with Lawrence Anton: https://youtu.be/r3Jb_RtUCPM?t=1653 (0:27:33)

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LINKS:

• The Turin Horse on IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1316540/

• The Turin Horse - Opening Scene: https://youtu.be/aoERWukgg_Q

• László Krasznahorkai: A torinói ló (sketch on a serviette): https://www.krasznahorkai.hu/readings_A_torinoi_lo_filmovella.html

• László Krasznahorkai: A torinói ló (script): https://www.krasznahorkai.hu/docs/A_torinoi_lo_forgatokonyv.pdf

• interview with Béla Tarr: https://cineuropa.org/en/interview/198131/

LITERATURE:

– Erich F. Podach: Nietzsches Zusammenbruch: Beiträge zu einer Biographie auf Grund unveröffentlichter Dokumente. Heidelberg: Kampmann 1930, p. 82.

– Anacleto Verrecchia: La catastrofe di Nietzsche a Torino. Turin: Einaudi 1978.

– “Federico Nietzsche a Torino” (sept. 16, 1900), Nuova Antologia 173/690, 313–316, p. 315. 

– Raskolnikov's dream in Fyodor Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment (Part I, Chapter V): https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Crime_and_Punishment/Part_I/Chapter_V

– Arthur Schopenhauer: Die Welt als Wille und Vorstellung I, § 58 [Zürcher Ausgabe Bd. II, S. 402]

= Arthur Schopenhauer: The World as Will and Representation, vol. 1 (Cambridge edition), § 58, p. 348 [Hübscher p. 379].

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0:00:00 (intro)

0:02:09 Carlos introducing the work of Béla Tarr and László Krasznahorkai

0:06:56 Lenny explaining the Nietzsche anecdote

0:13:08 synopsis

0:14:09 prologue and first scene

0:16:59 characters

0:26:46 The First Day & The Second Day

0:30:56 The Third Day

0:42:39 The Fourth Day

0:45:39 The Fifth Day

0:47:09 The Sixth Day

0:48:30 credits and soundtrack

0:51:32 Schopenhauerian variations

0:56:47 concluding remarks

0:59:38 comparison with Aniara

1:00:42 (outro) 

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In this episode Carlos and Lenny share their thoughts on the video essay "Voluntary Extinction" by @SolarSands. 

Request by @shujaatdhar9324. 

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LINKS:

• @SolarSands: Voluntary Extinction: https://youtu.be/6O5S2Y4FhJ0

• "Judeo-Christian Antinatalism?" – guest lecture and discussion with Dr. Karim Akerma [+ subtitles]: https://youtu.be/Qs9S0qc3WzQ

• David Benatar confirms he does not have children: https://www.wnyc.org/story/the-harm-of-coming-into-existence/ (at 8:42)

• @Svankmajer: In Defense Of Depressive Realism: https://youtu.be/uQ8yxGYJ4rw

• John discussing antinatalism with Muslims: https://youtu.be/2kO-enPxK0c, https://youtu.be/cs4Pplv6YT0

LITERATURE:

– Théophile de Giraud: The Childfree Christ: Antinatalism in Early Christianity. Amazon 2021.

– Karim Akerma: Antinatalismus: Ein Handbuch. epubli 2017 (5th ed. 2018), s.v. "Musikalisches Mä phynai (Niegeborensein): Queen (Freddy Mercury)", p. 442.

– David Benatar: Better Never to Have Been: The Harm of Coming into Existence. Oxford: Oxford University Press 2006, p. 196; pp. 70–73.

– Julio Cabrera: Discomfort and Moral Impediment: The Human Situation, Radical Bioethics and Procreation. Newcastle upon Tyne: Cambridge Scholars Publishing 2019, p. 11, n. 3.

– Michael Hauskeller: “Anti-natalism, Pollyannaism, and Asymmetry: A Defence of Cheery Optimism”, The Journal of Value Inquiry 56/1 (2022), 21–35. DOI: https://doi.org/10.1007/s10790-022-09884-8 (open access).

– Théophile de Giraud: The Art of Guillotining Procreators: An Antinatalist Manifesto. Chapter VI: "The Right to Sue One's Parents".

– Karim Akerma: op. cit., s.v. "Existenzgeld. Für ein bedingungsloses nativistisches Grundeinkommen", pp. 222–225.

(English translation: Karim Akerma: Antinatalism: A Handbook, trans. Alexander Reynolds. epubli 2021, s.v. "“Existence Allowance”. For an Unconditional Nativistic Basic Income", pp. 186–192.)

– Eduard von Hartmann: Philosophy of the Unconscious, trans. William Chatterton Coupland, vol. III, p. 129.

– Hilan Bensusan / Julio Cabrera / Ana Miriam Wuensch: A moral do começo: sobre a ética do nascimento. Porto Alegre, RS: Editora Fi 2019, pp. 181–182.

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TIMESTAMPS:

00:00 (intro)

01:41 Solar Sands' video

03:17 introduction: extinction and antinatalism

05:53 Solar Sands' approach to antinatalism

07:52 proto-antinatalist precedents

09:10 biblical antinatalism

13:02 antinatalism in popular culture

14:25 anti-procreative communities today

16:50 David Benatar

19:13 what is antinatalism?

21:58 the axiological asymmetry

23:45 the 'quality of life' argument

26:03 the Pollyanna principle

28:05 necessity of factory farming

29:32 procreative Ponzi scheme

30:51 r/antinatalism

34:39 bad arguments for antinatalism

38:15 bad arguments against antinatalism

40:02 antinatalism and religion

41:43 good arguments against antinatalism

43:47 Solar Sands' own counter-argument / Eduard von Hartmann's objection

49:17 problems in population ethics

50:17 antinatalism's logistical absurdity

51:45 merits of antinatalist philosophy

53:23 concluding thoughts on the video

56:58 (outro)

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In this episode Carlos and Lenny share their thoughts on the 2023 book "Human Extinction: A History of the Science and Ethics of Annihilation" by Émile P. Torres.

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Émile P. Torres' website: https://www.xriskology.com/

Émile P. Torres on Twitter: https://twitter.com/xriskology

Émile P. Torres on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@emilep.torres2298 

Émile P. Torres: "Human Extinction: A Brief Guided Tour of the Book" (Substack): https://xriskology.substack.com/p/human-extinction-a-brief-guided-tour 

Émile P. Torres: "Human Extinction: A Brief Guided Tour of the Book" (Medium): https://xriskology.medium.com/human-extinction-a-brief-guided-tour-of-the-book-5cfb6a5a726

Émile P. Torres: "Human Extinction: A Brief Guided Tour of the Book" (audio version): https://youtu.be/zdxEaJtQiRE

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our interview with Lawrence: https://youtu.be/r3Jb_RtUCPM

Ps.-Diog. epist. 47: https://www.reddit.com/r/antinatalismus/comments/14abyr9/eine_antike_empfehlung_der_kinderlosigkeit_psdiog/

(English translation: Abraham J. Malherbe (ed.): The Cynic Epistles: A Study Edition. Missoula, MT: Scholars Press 1977. p. 179.)

the myth of Mainländer's death: https://www.reddit.com/r/Mainlander/comments/16a4tv6/probable_source_of_the_myth_of_mainl%C3%A4nders/

optimistic extinctionism: https://youtu.be/e_sM_lDbd7k, https://youtu.be/jgU4ywqXoYw

"Why wasn't Schopenhauer an outspoken antinatalist?": https://youtu.be/xn8AupHN75E?t=907

Andreas Nilssen Möss: "Why Antinatalists Should Stop Talking About the Red Button": https://youtu.be/uT9TuAAqa34

Lenny's Kurnig project: https://www.reddit.com/r/antinatalism/comments/wd268d/the_holy_grail_of_modern_antinatalism_unearthed/

Les U. Knight calling Kurnig the founder of VHEMT: https://youtu.be/P_3FeOSuj5A

Lenny's introduction to Ulrich Horstmann's "Das Untier": https://www.reddit.com/r/antinatalismus/comments/yf3qjo/das_untier_konturen_einer_philosophie_der/

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0:00:00 (intro)

0:01:33 fascination with the end of humanity

0:02:59 blurb

0:04:19 Émile P. Torres

0:05:25 antinatalism and extinctionism

0:07:03 terminology

0:10:57 structure of the book

0:15:20 1st Existential Mood

0:17:08 Ps.-Diog. epist. 47

0:19:42 2nd Existential Mood

0:20:45 Arthur Schopenhauer and the pessimists

0:22:11 Philipp Mainländer

0:27:34 Eduard von Hartmann

0:30:43 thoughts on pessimism and philosophy repeating itself

0:33:17 utilitarianism

0:37:01 negative utilitarianism

0:40:29 radical environmentalism and deep ecology

0:44:39 longtermism

0:53:03 transhumanism

0:54:17 Margaret Atwood: Oryx and Crake (spoilers)

0:55:11 science fiction and normative extinction

0:56:07 where is David Pearce (PBUH)?

0:56:41 David Benatar and contemporary antinatalism

0:58:30 antinatalists against human extinction

1:00:29 antinatalism and wild animal suffering

1:02:57 4th wave of Existential Ethics

1:04:00 Torres' own position

1:08:55 the future of thinking about human extinction

1:10:18 Lenny's additions

1:11:08 Kurnig

1:14:37 Ulrich Horstmann

1:21:00 the role of privilege

1:23:29 academic nitpicks

1:27:26 conclusion

1:29:39 (outro)

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In this episode Carlos and Lenny share their thoughts on the 2017 movie First Reformed, written and directed by Paul Schrader:

"Reverend Ernst Toller (Ethan Hawke) is a solitary, middle-aged parish pastor at a small Dutch Reform church in upstate New York on the cusp of celebrating its 250th anniversary. Once a stop on the Underground Railroad, the church is now a tourist attraction catering to a dwindling congregation, eclipsed by its nearby parent church, Abundant Life, with its state-of-the-art facilities and 5,000-strong flock. When a pregnant parishioner (Amanda Seyfried) asks Reverend Toller to counsel her husband, a radical environmentalist, the clergyman finds himself plunged into his own tormented past, and equally despairing future, until he finds redemption in an act of grandiose violence. From writer-director Paul Schrader (Taxi Driver; American Gigolo; Affliction) comes a gripping thriller about a crisis of faith that is at once personal, political, and planetary."

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First Reformed official website: https://a24films.com/films/first-reformed

First Reformed on IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6053438/

First Reformed official trailer: https://youtu.be/hCF5Y8dQpR4

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David Benatar & Michael Benatar: “A Pain in the Fetus: Toward Ending Confusion about Fetal Pain”, Bioethics 15/1 (2001), 57–76. DOI: https://doi.org/10.1111/1467-8519.00212 (restricted access).

David Benatar: The Human Predicament: A Candid Guide to Life's Questions. Oxford: Oxford University Press 2017, p. 95.

Patricia MacCormack quote: https://youtu.be/BfQH-uUjVxE?t=1272 (at 0:21:12)

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01:19 synopsis

02:06 Paul Schrader

04:06 Calvinism

05:46 main characters 

05:55 Reverend Ernst Toller (Ethan Hawke)

09:44 First Reformed and Abundant Life

11:23 Mary Mensana (Amanda Seyfried) and Michael Mensana (Philip Ettinger)

13:59 first scene: Toller and Mary

15:05 conversation of Toller and Michael

17:49 anthropodicy

18:47 conditional (anti-)natalism

20:18 Toller's response and view on hope and despair

21:06 bringing someone into and taking someone from this world

22:54 Toller's pro-life and pro-natalist arguments

24:41 environmentalism and stewardship in Christianity

27:02 martyrdom

30:08 Calvinist calling

33:40 Abundant Life and Head Pastor Joel Jeffers (Cedric Antonio Kyles)

35:35 Ed Balq (Michael Gaston)

36:54 Toller's new mission

40:24 the last day

43:06 ending

44:12 cinematography

50:01 veganism

51:26 conclusion

52:19 (outro)

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In this episode Carlos and Lenny share their thoughts on the 2018 Swedish sci-fi movie Aniara, directed by Pella Kågerman & Hugo Lilja, based on the epic poem of the same name by Harry Martinson:

"With Earth in disrepair and no longer inhabitable, the human race begins to leave the planet for a new home on Mars. One of the departing vessels, the ship Aniara, runs through a field of space wreckage shortly after takeoff and is damaged beyond repair. With Aniara knocked off-course and drifting powerlessly out of control, the crew and passengers alike must wrestle with the reality of their fate. Crew member MR (Emelie Jonsson) operates a sentient computer that allows humans to experience idyllic memories of their lives on Earth. As the ship drifts further into space, the passengers begin to lose hope and sanity amid the growing sense of disaster. Pressure builds on MR as she is the only one who can keep the burgeoning insanity and lethal depression at bay."

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Aniara (the movie) official website: https://www.aniarafilm.com/

Aniara (the movie) on IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7589524/

Aniara (the movie) official trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXK1NP73n4c

Harry Martinson – Aniara (the poem): https://urn.kb.se/resolve?urn=urn:nbn:se:lb-lb441882-etext

Harry Martinson – Aniara (the poem), trans. Stephen Klass & Leif Sjöberg, on the Generation Spaceship Project: https://gsproject.edublogs.org/gs-texts/texts-used-in-2017/aniara-by-harry-martinson-3/

Peter Wessel Zapffe – "The Last Messiah", trans. Gisle R. Tangenes: https://philosophynow.org/issues/45/The_Last_Messiah

Peter Wessel Zapffe – "The Last Messiah", trans. Trine Riel: https://www.aft3r.us/the-last-messiah

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0:00:00 (intro)

0:00:46 Aniara (the movie)

0:01:51 synopsis

0:02:39 Aniara (the poem)

0:04:48 setting

0:07:45 first scene

0:08:23 Aniara, the space ship

0:10:40 budget and limitations

0:12:09 structure of the movie

0:13:19 chapter I: Hour 1 – Routine Voyage

0:16:02 veganism aboard the Aniara

0:17:52 main characters

0:18:13 Mirarobe (MR)

0:20:18 MIMA

0:22:46 Captain Chefone

0:27:53 Roberta, the astronomer

0:31:27 Isagel, the pilot

0:32:48 society and privilege

0:34:56 chapter II: Week 3 – Without a Map

0:37:18 chapter III: Year 3 – The Yurg

0:42:36 chapter IV: Year 4 – Cults

0:46:08 chapter V: Year 5 – The Calculation

0:53:20 chapter VI: Year 6 – The Spear

1:04:57 chapter VII: Year 10 – The Jubilee

1:06:57 chapter VIII: Year 24 – The Sarcophagus

1:08:46 chapter IX: Year 5,981,407 – Lyre Constellation

1:11:01 conclusion

1:14:46 (outro)

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In this episode Carlos and Lenny share their thoughts on the Love, Death & Robots episode "Pop Squad", based on a short story by Paolo Bacigalupi: "A cop charged with fighting the scourge of overpopulation is haunted by the human toll of his work."

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Love, Death & Robots on Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/us-en/title/80174608

Paolo Bacigalupi's "Pop Squad" on the ISFDB: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?299431

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0:00:00 (intro)

0:00:31 thanks

0:01:10 announcing new links and platforms

0:02:21 Love, Death & Robots

0:03:32 Pop Squad

0:04:25 Netflix synopsis

0:04:41 disclaimer

0:05:42 three symbols

0:06:06 scene 1

0:15:36 scene 2

0:20:28 scene 3

0:31:38 scene 4

0:43:33 scene 5

0:48:59 scenes 6 & 7

0:52:28 scenes 8 & 9

1:00:20 two different endings

1:04:19 conclusion

1:10:01 (outro)

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